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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: jasper on Tuesday 31 July 18 19:13 BST (UK)
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After taking a break for quite a few years I have picked up tracing my ancestry again.
I am still looking for my great grandmother Ellen Ross (Nee Burke), also known as Helena and Nellie.
She was born 23rd march 1906 and had a twin brother Thomas Burke. They were born in Mountmellick. Her father was William Burke and her mother was Ellen Burke, nee Roberts, nee Adaire.
She had a half sister Mary Roberts and half brothers William and John Roberts. I have the family on the 1911 census and know she married William Ross in August 1923 in Mountmellick and then moved to Kildare to have 3 children. This is where my information on her ends. I can find absolutely nothing on her after this date.
I have travelled over to Dublin twice to search records but with zero results.Ellen and William had( my nana) Lena , Kathleen and Christopher. When my nan was asked about her mum she just said she died when she was little and Kathleen said the same. Sadly, Christopher would have no contact with his sister's and his family still want no contact. Ellen's husband came to England (Stoke on Trent) in the 1950's, but came on his own and his death certificate doesn't state if he was single, widowed or divorced.
I have also not been able to find anything on her half siblings either. Surely, if she had died, then a record would exist somewhere or did she abandon her family ?
Any help or suggestions would be so very much appreciated as after 13 years, I am still none the wiser.
Many thanks
Michelle
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She was born 23rd march 1906 and had a twin brother Thomas Burke. They were born in Mountmellick. Her father was William Burke and her mother was Ellen Burke, nee Roberts, nee Adaire.
.....and here is the Link to her
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Sallyford/Kilbrackan/791289/
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Hi,
I have a copy of the census from when I last went to Dublin.
Apart from her marriage record and her name on her children's birth certificates, I'm not able to find anything else out about her :-(
Thanks
Michelle
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Hi,
I have a copy of the census from when I last went to Dublin.
Apart from her marriage record and her name on her children's birth certificates, I'm not able to find anything else out about her :-(
Thanks
Michelle
Yes...but others don't!
Having looked at it Burke Ellen 43 Female Wife Catholic Born Co Kildare
Have you any idea of where??
She married William Ross in August 1923 in Mountmellick and then moved to Kildare to have 3 children.
Have you any idea of where??
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Hi,
I have a copy of the census from when I last went to Dublin.
Apart from her marriage record and her name on her children's birth certificates, I'm not able to find anything else out about her :-(
Thanks
Michelle
Apart from the address they were born at!!
Kildare town??
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It would be helpful if you posted their last known location!
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Hi,
On William and Ellen's children's birth certificates they are listed as living in Fontstown, Kildare. They were all Baptised in St. Michael's church in Athy. I have copies of their Baptism certificates, kindly sent to me by the church.
Ellen and William were married at the Church of Rath in Mountmellick.
These records are all that seem to exist for her or that I can find :-(.
Thanks
Michelle
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The Indexes to the Civil Records of Irish Births, Deaths and Marriages date from 1864 with non-Roman Catholic Marriages recorded from 1845.
The years covered by the release of the historic Indexes to the Civil Records of Births, Marriages and Deaths are:
Births: 1864 to 1916
Marriages: 1845* to 1941
Deaths: 1864 to 1966
so records won't be online!
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Just in case no one knows where that is....
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fontstown+Upper,+Fontstown,+Co.+Kildare/@53.0526282,-7.4496228,9z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x485d7b6fc59726b3:0x2600c7a819bb0d72!8m2!3d53.05263!4d-6.88932
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last ditch attempt (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=236740.msg1275761#msg1275761) (Dublin)- reply #4 lists 2 other threads you have
Another one as well-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=81678.msg341610#msg341610
Several other topics could also pertain to this same family. Please do not keep starting new threads.
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Hi,
I've come over twice to the records office in Dublin and searched them. One of the ladies who worked in there searched alongside me and we came up with nothing.
It's so frustrating as I have family members who know the answers but say..leave the past where it is.
I made a promise to my mum before she passed away that I would continue looking, so I will and hopefully one day I will find the answers.
My nan spoke of being in the launderies with the nuns but I'm not sure if that was in England, where she came to as she was pregnant outside of marriage or as a child. I have the records for her whilst she was in a home run by the nuns in Birmingham in 1945 and only her dad is listed not her mum so that was a dead end there too.
Thanks
Michelle
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If you aren't even sure if some of these events took place in Ireland or England then you can't really get frustrated with Irish records. Unfortunately, this sort of story is not unique and, especially years ago, many people chose not to discuss past unpleasantness. Have you tried putting everything into timeline format to see exactly were the gaps are, etc.?
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You have a pile of information on other threads....while I've been wasting my time looking for deaths etc for them!!
Thanks Aghadowey, I can stop looking now!
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Please don't think I'm wasting peoples time. I'm really not.
I have followed all other information and leads I have been given and have come up against dead ends.
It really is a last ditch attempt.
I'm also not sure how to close the other threads.
Thanks
Michelle
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You don't close old threads but you can add to them at any time if and when you have more information or questions. I'm not sure that you have actually followed all possible leads :-\
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I really have and have spent thousands of pounds of flights , accommodation, copies of records and donations to various churches for any help they could give me.
Thank you for trying to help. I do very much appreciate it.
I'll leave here for now as I don't want to rub people up the wrong way.
Thank you for you help and time:-)
Michelle
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You haven't answered my questions about the timeline approach- sometimes it make clearer where the gaps are and how you might be able to fill them in. There are a huge number of Irish resources now online (many, many are free) so flights, etc. really have little to do with trying to trace your family.
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My nan spoke of being in the launderies with the nuns but I'm not sure if that was in England, where she came to as she was pregnant outside of marriage or as a child. I have the records for her whilst she was in a home run by the nuns in Birmingham in 1945 and only her dad is listed not her mum so that was a dead end there too.
Thanks
Michelle
Hi Michelle,
I don’t quite understand this. Was your Nan ‘pregnant outside of marriage’ or are you just speculating?
When did she arrive at the home and when did she leave?
Do you have marriage details for Nan? I don’t mean for you to post them just If you have a date in a timeline.
Ellen may have been in an institution somewhere after the births of the last child. The difficulty being that your events are quite recent so may not be published or available.
Heywood
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You may have more information that is not in this thread but a few things haven't been clarified.
She had a half sister Mary Roberts and half brothers William and John Roberts. I have the family on the 1911 census
The Roberts children in the 1911 census are Mary, James & Joseph-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Sallyford/Kilbrackan/791289
John and William are the eldest of the 10 Roberts children that I found so far. Have possible marriage & child for John and possible death for William. Or did you mean James & Joseph (8th and 9th of the Roberts children).
Ellen's husband came to England (Stoke on Trent) in the 1950's, but came on his own and his death certificate doesn't state if he was single, widowed or divorced.
It would be quite unusual to have marital status not on a certificate. Who was the informant?