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Hi All,
I can see from the Victoria State Death Indexes that an Emily Audley died in 1893 her father is given as William Audley and Mother Mary Griffin.
I believe that this Emily Audley was born 6th August 1819 and Christened 22nd September 1819 at St Philip's church in Birmingham, England. I know this Emily Audley was living in Marylebone, London, England a Dressmaker in 1851.
Can anybody please tell me when she emigrated from England to Australia and anything about her life in Australia?
Thanks for your help
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Did your Emily have a sister Sarah?
Death
reg. number 6823
Reg. year 1894
AUDLEY
names Sarah
Father's name Wm
Mother's name Mary Ann (Griffiths)
Place of death Melb E Hosp
Age 63
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The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946)
Sat 30 Jun 1894
AUDLEY. — On the 22nd inst., at the Melbourne Hospital, Sarah Audley, of Wellington parade, East Melbourne (sister of the late Emily Audley), aged 63 years.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/138595725
They are buried together
Boroondara General Cemetery, [commonly known as the Kew Cemetery]
Name AUDLEY, EMILY
Date 11-Jul-1893
Age 74
Grave Location C/E A 0564
Church of England
Service Burial
Name AUDLEY, SARAH
Date 25-Jun-1894
Age 63
Grave Location C/E A 0564
Church of England
Service Burial
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Hi Giblet,
Yes Emily Audley did have a sister Sarah Audley, christened 8th October 1830 at Brighton Sussex, England.
It therefore looks as though the mothers maiden name is incorrectly recorded on Sarahs death registration should be Griffin as per Emily's death registration and not Griffiths!!
The death announcement in the newspaper definately looks like it is them.
Interestingly I have found both Emily Audley and Sarah Audley in the 1851 census of England living at the same address. However I can only find Sarah Audley in the 1861 census of England.
I wonder whether Emily Audley Emigrated First and then Sarah followed or whether they emigrated together.
Thanks for both replies
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I wonder whether Emily Audley Emigrated First and then Sarah followed or whether they emigrated together.
I have not been able to find the actual arrival for them as yet but at one stage they both appeared to have gone to Sydney. That would put Sarah's arrival between 1861 and 1864.
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Mon 17 Oct 1864
PASSENGERS FOR SYDNEY. I
Per Woolloomooloo.-Mr. W, H, Peppercorn and Mr. Joseph
Way.
Per Rifleman.-Miss Emily Audley and Miss Sarah Audley.
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Per Rifleman.-Miss Emily Audley and Miss Sarah Audley.
Giblet
In your previous message
What does Per Rifleman mean?
Do you know from where they were traveling to Sidney?
Regards
Brian
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The Star (Ballarat) 15 Oct 1865 p2 (shipping notices)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/66348887?
"Rifleman" from Gravesend 14 August for Sydney
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Per Rifleman.-Miss Emily Audley and Miss Sarah Audley.
Giblet
In your previous message
What does Per Rifleman mean?
Do you know from where they were traveling to Sidney?
Regards
Brian
Rifleman is the name of the ship.
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RIFLEMAN OF ABERDEEN
Please have a look at this website
http://marinersandships.com.au/1864/12/016rif.htm
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Empire 23 May 1866 p8
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/60596537?
...Emily and Sarah in business in Sydney...…..Misses AUDLEY dressmakers...…
Using Trove newspaper site -
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y
…...and searching.....Audley dressmaker...….for NSW and Victoria papers...has Misses AUDLEY to 1870 in Sydney, then 1870 Melbourne.....
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article193425857
The Age 11 Jul 1893
Funeral notice for Emily AUDLEY.
Cando
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AUDLEY Sarah 22 years
Hospital admission
Date 11 Jan 1869
Place Melbourne, Victoria
Patients in the Melbourne Hospital 1855-1909: an index of the surviving medical ward book, case notes.
Comment Discharged 29 Jan 1869
Cando
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I note that her sister Sarah was a visitor to the address where her brother Francis G[eorge] AUDLEY, an artist, was living in St Alban, Hertfordshire on the 1861 census.
Cando
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RIFLEMAN
OF ABERDEEN, THOMAS NORIE, MASTER, BURTHEN 724 TONS
FROM THE PORT OF LONDON TO SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, 7TH DECEMBER 1864
AUDLEY MISS 1 PASSENGER
AUDLEY MISS 2 PASSENGER
http://marinersandships.com.au/1864/12/016rif.htm
A scan of the original manifest of the RIFLEMAN with Capt. NORIE, arriving 7 Dec 1864 from London, shows the only passengers as Misses AUDLEY and Mrs NORIE who was possibly the Captain's wife.
Cando
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AUDLEY Sarah 22 years
Hospital admission
Date 11 Jan 1869
Place Melbourne, Victoria
Patients in the Melbourne Hospital 1855-1909: an index of the surviving medical ward book, case notes.
Comment Discharged 29 Jan 1869
Cando
A couple of extra bits to this. :-\
Place born Ireland
Additional Information
Had a fall on board ship the day after sailing, having left home about 13 months previously . Since arriving in Australia has spent time in the country
Book 13. Page 331
Sue
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From the digitised Victorian Rates Books online.
From 1879 to 1883 one Emily AUDLEY was a rate payer, occupation boarder, in a house owned by Mrs McCRAE at 92 Nicholson street Fitzroy.
In 1885 the address was Michael Street Fitzroy and rates to Jeremiah RYAN.
There is an earlier listing
1875
AUDLEY, Sarah Miss. (Transcriber here sees Mrs...so a bit unsure :-\)
Her occupation is boarder and Benjamin MOSES is the owner. Address 3 Nicholson Street Fitzroy.
Sue
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Good Morning All,
Many thanks for all your replies to my original message.
I will be out most of today so will start to update my master file this evening and reply to your messages.
Regards
Brian
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Hi All,
I have now read all your replies to my original message, and thought about what it all means and I would like to make the following observations:
Cando & Sparret
You both make reference to a Hospital Admission of a Sarah Audley aged 22 into a Melbourne Hosp on 11th January 1869, with sparret, suggesting that she was born in Ireland. Emily's sister Sarah was born in 1830 in Birmingham, England and died, according to Giblet in 1894 aged 63. I therefore conclude that the hospital admission of Sarah Audley aged 22 is of a different Sarah Audley than the Sarah Audley who was a sister of Emily Audley.
Sparret,
In the Victoria State Rate books I have managed to find them on a well known website. What does it mean that Emily's occupation was boarder? Does it mean that she rented the house off a person called Mrs McCrae and then took in paying lodgers? Both Emily and her sister were dressmakers. There appears to be several people with the surname Audley in Fitzroy, Melbourne, who are not related to the Sarah and Emily Audley I am interested in. This makes me concerned that the Emily and Sarah in Fitzroy could be from a different branch of the Audley Family. I will need to do a bit more research on these rate books.
To Everyone (including Cando and Sparett)
Many thanks for all your replies to my original request for help and for giving me links to websites I was not aware of.
Regards
Brian Audley
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Sparret,
In the Victoria State Rate books I have managed to find them on a well known website. What does it mean that Emily's occupation was boarder? Does it mean that she rented the house off a person called Mrs McCrae and then took in paying lodgers? Both Emily and her sister were dressmakers. There appears to be several people with the surname Audley in Fitzroy, Melbourne, who are not related to the Sarah and Emily Audley I am interested in. This makes me concerned that the Emily and Sarah in Fitzroy could be from a different branch of the Audley Family. I will need to do a bit more research on these rate books.
I am assuming the term boarder means lodger in the place owned by Mrs McCrae (etc)
I agree with you about the uncertainty of them being the correct women.
Another Emily AUDLEY was AUDLEY by marriage
Marriage
Edward Lyndhurst AUDLEY
HYDE Emily
Yr 1876 Reg3759
Her death
AUDLEY Emily
HYDE Harry Robert
Susan (Stringer)
Yr 1923 Reg5572
She was living in Fitzroy 1880 Death Notice of a child
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/150649843
Sue
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Hi Sparrett (Sue)
Many thanks for your last reply.
Edward Lyndhurst who married Emily Hyde is part of a completely different branch of the Audley Family. I have quite a lot of information about that branch of the Audley Family.
Regards
Brian
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Possibilities from the Victorian Directories:
1872 - Audley Misses dressmakers – 149 Collins st e
1873 - Audley Misses – Grey Street EM
1874/5/6 - Audley Miss - 3 Victoria Parade
1877 – No mention
1878 - Audley Misses – 5 & 7 Victoria Parade F
1879 – Audley Emily – 6 Park Terrace Fitzroy st, St Kilda
1880/1/2 – Audley Misses E & S – 92 Nicholson st F
1884 - Audley Misses E & S – Albert st EM
1885 - Audley Misses E & S – 5 Albert st EM
1890/2/3 - Audley Misses E & S – 128 Wellington par north EM
1895/6 – No Mention
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PS As these books list the main occupants, I doubt that they were lodgers themselves while they were residing in 92 Nicholson st Fitzroy. Currently the remark occupation=boarder is still ambiguous ...
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PS As these books list the main occupants, I doubt that they were lodgers themselves while they were residing in 92 Nicholson st Fitzroy. Currently the remark occupation=boarder is still ambiguous ...
Had you thought they were property owners?
I would accept the word tenant as an alternative to boarder.
Sue
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I have seen many examples in NSW records over and over particularly in 1850-1950 years where tenant and boarder were interchangeable.
JM
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Had you thought they were property owners?
I would accept the word tenant as an alternative to boarder.
Main occupants = Property owners OR lessees (who hold the lease of the property)
=> I would not expect a lodger (as had been suggested previously as an option for "boarder" ) to be a lessee.
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I hope I am not diverting off topic too far, and clearly I cannot comment effectively on research on Victoria
But Victoria was not hived off NSW until 1851, and it took on much of the statute law, regulations and practices of NSW 'for the time being' ....
So, I mention that I recall an in depth investigation into the status of some of those named on the Assessment books for the City of Sydney in the 1840s (commencement of the municipality) which will show that some of those who were recorded as paying the rates in respect of the property being assessed were NOT the property owners, NOR the landlords, but simply the 'Boarders' (of course, property owners did pay rates on some properties, and of course their agents - the landlords did pay rates on certain properties) Boarder being the expression used not on the actual assessment register but on exchange of communications between Council and the individual paying the rates ... it may well be a peculiar meaning of the word applied around that time, perhaps in error or through ignorance of the meaning of the word, but by paying the rates the male person became eligible to be enrolled to vote.
This practice continued until at least the late 1850s (1858 from memory) when male universal suffrage was effectively adopted in NSW elections, plurality of voting still existed in municipal elections.
Other NSW local government areas I have found 'Boarders' in the 1880s and 1890s, paying the rates, and usually when I follow up, they were the 'Tenants', handshake contract between them and the property owners.
Sorry for the diversion.
JM
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Hi mjam, TreeSpirit & Sparratt,
Thanks for your replies to my original message an interesting discussion, into which I do not feel I have enough expeiance to to comment.
TreeSpirit,
The information from the directories are very interesting. I would have expected two unmarried sisters, both dressmakers, would probably live and work together, and this seems to be borne out by the directories. Could you please clarify a few poinrt with regard to the directories as follows:
Is the the 1872 directory the earliest directory of Victoria in existance or is it the earliest directory referring to the Misses Audley and therefore gives an indication as to when they moves from NSW to Victoria?
In the 1872 directory 'e' stand for after 149 Collins Street?
Does EM stand for East Melbourne and F stand for Fitzroy?
Is St Kilda an Area of Melbourne?
What does par stand for in Wellington par north; parish or park?
Living in England I am not familiar with the Suburbs of Melbourne Australia
Regards
Brian
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Yes F=Fitzroy, EM=East Melbourne. I’d already expanded “St K” to St Kilda as this suburb was a bit of an outlier compared to the other locations. And, Wellington Parade is still a major road in East Melbourne
1872 - Via the Street dir section: the address was located on “Collins-street E-N side” between “Stephen street” and “Spring Street”. Spring St still exists (Currently the border between Melbourne and East Melbourne). Stephen st was a question mark, but apparently this street was renamed to Exhibition street (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhibition_Street,_Melbourne ). BTW 149 Collins str had a second occupant mentioned: a Herr Meyer who was a prof of music.
FYI re Collins street East see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins_Street,_Melbourne
There are earlier directories: 1871 didn’t contain any Audleys. 1870 had one, a G Audley in Richmond (a carpenter). Generally the name Audley wasn’t very common in the address directories and - of course - I’ve extracted only the logical possibilities.
(Of course they could have lodged somewhere before 1872)
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TreeSpirit,
Thanks for the explanation
Regards
Brian
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Is the the 1872 directory the earliest directory of Victoria in existance or is it the earliest directory referring to the Misses Audley and therefore gives an indication as to when they moves from NSW to Victoria?
Brian
Empire 23 May 1866 p8
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/60596537?
...Emily and Sarah in business in Sydney...…..Misses AUDLEY dressmakers...…
Using Trove newspaper site -
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y
…...and searching.....Audley dressmaker...….for NSW and Victoria papers...has Misses AUDLEY to 1870 in Sydney, then 1870 Melbourne.....
The last newspaper advertisement for their services in NSW
13th August 1870. Premises 159 Elizabeth Street Hyde Park
The first newspaper advertisement for their services in Victoria
29th November 1870. Premises 210 Bourke Street
The earliest NSW Newspaper sighting. Dec 1865. Requiring apprentices at 11 Bridge Street.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/31126260
In partnership with Miss Ramsey, milliner June 1866 at 11 Bridge street
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/166660561
Partnership is dissolved
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28610386
There are other addresses and advertisements over the intervening years including this
The MISSES AUDLEY, Dressmakers, Removed from Bridge-street to 8, Wynyard-square
Jan 1869
And
To LET, 9-roomcd comfortablo Family House,8,Wynyard Square, with immediate possession, now occupied by Miss Audley rent moderate.
August 1869
Sue
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The first newspaper advertisement for their services in Victoria
29th November 1870. Premises 210 Bourke Street
I checked 210 Bourke street in the 1871 directory:
Bourke street West went up to #166 followed by a few unnumbered buildings
Bourke street East had Mrs Hinds, tobacconist on 210 and John Crawford, a baker on 210 1/2 (= 210 and a half!). => The sisters were there only for a short time or they were sharing the premises.
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Revisited the text and closer view...
219 Bourke street east
Sue
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D'oh! LOL
In the 1871 directory Elias Cunliff was a grocer at 219 Bourke st East (Spring Street side).
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Sparrett & TreeSpirit,
Thanks for the additional information.
I wonder what happened in 1869 to make them move from Sydney to Melbourne
Regards
Brian