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I have a few ancestors which are a mission to research back into Ireland but also create a little confusion once they arrived in NZ. As best I can tell they came here perhaps in steerage class in 1862 or there about. From a marriage record in 1869 I can see the couple, Hugh Hall and Jane Tosh tie the knot. Later, they raised a family at Thornbury. Their marriage certificate indicates the witnesses were an Elizabeth Tosh and a John Hall, a relative of each of the couple, then the two witnesses appear to themselves tie the knot in 1871. Suggests a concentration of Halls and Toshs in Invercargill and Riverton area in that period. Any thoughts or suggestions for digging deeper?
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I have a few ancestors which are a mission to research back into Ireland but also create a little confusion once they arrived in NZ. As best I can tell they came here perhaps in steerage class in 1862 or there about. From a marriage record in 1869 I can see the couple, Hugh Hall and Jane Tosh tie the knot. Later, they raised a family at Thornbury. Their marriage certificate indicates the witnesses were an Elizabeth Tosh and a John Hall, a relative of each of the couple, then the two witnesses appear to themselves tie the knot in 1871. Suggests a concentration of Halls and Toshs in Invercargill and Riverton area in that period. Any thoughts or suggestions for digging deeper?
...and who were their Witnesses?
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While not a huge help....the Surname Tosh is not very prevelant in Ireland!
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mg7/ gets you the Surname and Census locations in Ireland...
Did any of them in NZ put a name on house/property?
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Not sure. Where would property records of this kind show up?
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Family Search show both the names Jane and Elizabeth Tosh in Ireland.
Jamjar
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Did the marriage cert indicate age of Jane and parent’s names?
Have you posted this information on the NZ board?
Jamjar
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They arrived on the Edward Thornhill from London, 5 October 1863. Henry, Jane, Elizabeth, Benjamin and Catherine:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18640101.2.7.3?items_per_page=100&phrase=2&query=Elizabeth+tosh
Jamjar
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Was the Catherine at arrival the mother?
1875/5663 Tosh Catherine aged 70
Henry the father?
1868/11088 Tosh Henry aged 63
Jamjar
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Catherine is buried at Dunedin. Native of Ireland and last residence Invercargill. She is a Widow.
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?recordid=74428&type=Burial
The woman she is buried with: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18750427.2.13?items_per_page=100&phrase=2&query=William+jeffrey&sort_by=byDA
Her husband: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD18750430.2.24?items_per_page=100&phrase=2&query=William+jeffrey&sort_by=byDA
Jamjar
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Thanks for that-
Henry was given of death cert as father, mother name unknown. suspected Jane and Elizabeth to be sister given the marriage info of 1868 and 1871. That was all there was so far to work on. I've only done very modest work with newspaper records and also immigration shipping records, which I find a bit overwhelming. Pays to know exactly where to look~ cheers
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Was the Catherine at arrival the mother?
1875/5663 Tosh Catherine aged 70
Henry the father?
1868/11088 Tosh Henry aged 63
Jamjar
Henry’s burial Invercargill, and note that there is an Elizabeth Hall buried in the plot, too:
Name: HENRY, TOSH
Age at Death: Unknown
Gender: Male
Date of Death:
Date of Burial: Saturday, 01 February 1868
Cemetery: Eastern Cemetery
Classification - Block/Plot: General - 2 / 45
All records for this plot;
BALLANTYNE CATHERINE JANE 76 Years Eastern Cemetery Female
BALLANTYNE ROBERT WILLIAM Years Eastern Cemetery Male
HALL ELIZABETH Unknown Eastern Cemetery Female
POTTS MARGARET 39 Years Eastern Cemetery Female
TOSH WILLIAM Adult Eastern Cemetery Male
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Thanks once more Jamjar.
This confirms the relationship between Henry and the Elizabeth Tosh with married John Hall in 1871 I suspect.
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One mystery is Benjamin who arrives with the family in 1863, he is the only one I have no prior knowledge of at all. The only death record (cemetery search, DiA BDM) says he was 99 at the time of his death in 1910. That would make his birth year about 1911. I first thought he was a brother to Jane and Elizabeth, but based on the BDM info I would have to speculate that he was a younger brother to Henry Tosh (b.1805).
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Could this be him, just got the year wrong
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mq1/
Evening Star 16 September 1910
The ‘ Southland News’ stales that Mr Benjamin Tosh, of Grasmere, who arrived in Southland in 1866,. and who has reached the rip old age of ninety-nine years, was admitted to the hospital yesterday, he being unwell. Mr Tosh’s many friends wish him a speedy recovery, and hope to see him reach the century restored to health.
Benjamin's death
Southland Times 17 October 1910
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mq2/
In the Irish newpapers...seeing as Tosh is not a plenty!...there is a death of a Benjamin Tosh
Coleraine Chronicle 04 April 1874
TOSH-At Ballyhackett, parish of Dunboe, on the 31 ult', Mr. Benjamin Tosh, farmer, age 77 years