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Title: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Wednesday 01 August 18 18:46 BST (UK)
Hello,

I have the christening date for Helen Sarah Streeter (sic) from Farringdon in 1864. In my experience, post-1837 christening dates often hold birthdays too. Can anyone see if this is the case?

Thanks,

Adam
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 02 August 18 16:15 BST (UK)
Sadly can only see a transcription but if she was still alive in 1939 you might get her birthday that way.

Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Thursday 02 August 18 16:17 BST (UK)
I've never found her in 1939 :( I think she was still living in Hornsey then, before she moved to Wood Green.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 02 August 18 16:20 BST (UK)
Did she marry or was she single woman? 

If she had family living with her might be able to find her that way. 
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Thursday 02 August 18 16:22 BST (UK)
She was a widow. I'm fairly certain she was living with my great-great-uncle Jack (John William McGregor) and I haven't found him either.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 02 August 18 16:28 BST (UK)
The electoral roll for that year has Sarah Helen McGregor and John William McGregor living Hornsey as you said. 
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Thursday 02 August 18 16:30 BST (UK)
I'll look for it now. Thanks!
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Thursday 02 August 18 16:34 BST (UK)
Once again, I cannot find it. I can find a JW McGregor living in Barrow-in-Furness and all sorts of other places but not in Hornsey. Nor a Helen Sarah or a Sarah Helen.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 02 August 18 16:39 BST (UK)
Have you tried Helen S living with John W
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Thursday 02 August 18 16:40 BST (UK)
I'll try it.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 06 August 18 16:05 BST (UK)
Did you find it
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Monday 06 August 18 16:10 BST (UK)
Nope, no luck. I could find just about every other John W. McGregor :(
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 06 August 18 16:24 BST (UK)
Surely you would be better looking for Helen with a more uncommon first name rather than John. 

I presume you tried both FindMyPast & Ancestry   :-\
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: JenB on Monday 06 August 18 16:26 BST (UK)
Are you using FindMyPast or Ancestry?

Sometimes surnames are mistranscribed. Creative searching can be fruitful!

You know her christian name is Helen, you know her year of birth and you know she was in Hornsey. Just search using those three facts and see what turns up.

Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Monday 06 August 18 16:26 BST (UK)
I searched for both names and drew a blank; I donít have FindMyPast so I used Ancestry.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: Gadget on Monday 06 August 18 16:28 BST (UK)
Have you searched  for John W and Helen S in Hornsey on FindMyPast?

I see Jen and Rosie have suggested the same.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Monday 06 August 18 16:29 BST (UK)
I donít have FindMyPast so Iíll have to make do with Ancestry. Itís not a must-have; I have her christening details at least.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: JenB on Monday 06 August 18 16:30 BST (UK)
Have you done as I suggested?

Christian name only, year of birth only,  living in Hornsey?

I assure you, that should find her  :)

Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Monday 06 August 18 16:31 BST (UK)
I put in ĎHelen Sí Ď1864í and ĎHornseyí. Maybe itís problems my end  :-\ Iíve had trouble finding people before.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: JenB on Monday 06 August 18 16:34 BST (UK)
I put in ĎHelen Sí Ď1864í and ĎHornseyí. Maybe itís problems my end  :-\ Iíve had trouble finding people before.

Do you get any results at all?
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 06 August 18 16:35 BST (UK)
Is it just an Britain subscription you have or a world one (on Ancestry)
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Monday 06 August 18 16:41 BST (UK)
A British one & it came up with a Helen S McGregor born in 1875 living in Hertfordshire and a couple of other results.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 06 August 18 16:44 BST (UK)
Are you using this search page
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=61596

I have just found it by just putting in her first name & initial (no surname) and Hornsey in 'Lived in'
She was the 2nd result
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: JenB on Monday 06 August 18 16:46 BST (UK)
A British one & it came up with a Helen S McGregor born in 1875 living in Hertfordshire and a couple of other results.

I am mystified.

Are we searching the same thing? I am searching the 1939 Register on Ancestry.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Monday 06 August 18 16:49 BST (UK)
Iíll try again.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Monday 06 August 18 16:51 BST (UK)
Must be something wrong with my phone.

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Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: lizdb on Monday 06 August 18 16:52 BST (UK)
Ive not been particularly following this thread - but when I put Helen S and Hornsey in, I found her easily.

(I see from the clip you have posted you have been searching for McGregor. It was suggested you just put in Helen S, and Hornsey, with no surname)

Are you putting too much info in, when you try to search, MacGregor?  Often less is best, then look down the list and see what is offered. You can often find what you are looking for, even if it has a slightly different spelling that what you thought.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: Gadget on Monday 06 August 18 16:53 BST (UK)
From your snip, I'd say leave out the surname - oops pressed the wrong key  - and use  Hornsey as location
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 06 August 18 16:55 BST (UK)
As it's the free search I think I'm allowed to post these details found on F M P

Hornsey M.B., Middlesex
Helen S McGregor   1864
other person on this record
John W McGregor
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: lizdb on Monday 06 August 18 17:03 BST (UK)
Any more success, macgregor?

If you can learn how to do these look ups successfully, then it will help you no end in your research.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 06 August 18 17:06 BST (UK)
Are you using this search page
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=61596

I have just found it by just putting in her first name & initial (no surname) and Hornsey in 'Lived in'
She was the 2nd result
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Monday 06 August 18 17:13 BST (UK)
Iíll try it with less information on the new page.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: JenB on Monday 06 August 18 17:16 BST (UK)
As lizdb suggests, less is often more  :)

The snip you usefully provided shows that you are still using the surname. As I said before, don't use it, and you will find her!

Christian name only, year of birth only,  living in Hornsey?

I assure you, that should find her  :)



Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 07 August 18 12:03 BST (UK)
Iíll try it with less information on the new page.

Did you find it? 
We want to help you to get there on this one, so if you still haven't found her it would be good to sort out why. It is a good one to practice searching techniques on. As I said, learning a few "tricks of the trade" will help you in your research and mean you can have the fun of finding more things yourself.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 14 August 18 10:56 BST (UK)
How did you get on MacGrigor  ??
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 14 August 18 17:18 BST (UK)
Iíve been polishing off other parts of my tree (I received 12 PDFs the other day) so I havenít had a chance to Ďre-opení this yet. But thanks to everyone for the advice.
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 15 August 18 08:21 BST (UK)
But not so busy that you had time to post further queries on here.  ???

Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 15 August 18 09:08 BST (UK)
 ???

Adam - you have access to Ancestry. You have been told how to search the 1939 register on that site. Following the instructions given, you should be able to access the record in a matter of seconds/minutes, depending on you connection. You now say you have been too busy.

(shakes head in astonishment)


Gadget
Title: Re: 1864 christening
Post by: janeh on Thursday 16 August 18 04:19 BST (UK)
The baptism entry for Farringdon lists no birth date. Jane