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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: Wendy Frances on Thursday 02 August 18 08:11 BST (UK)
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Looking for Euphemia MacColl born 1824 Melfort, Argyll she married Duncan MacArthur don't have a date of birth or place where he was born. I can't find a marriage for them. The children are:
Anne born 1856 Muckairn
Duncan born 1858 Muckairn
Margaret born 1864 Muckairn
Archibald born 1861 Muckairn
Can anyone help
Wendy
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You might want to correct the title of this topic Re: Euphemism MacColl ;D ;D ;D
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Thank you
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Hi Wendy,
Have you looked at the birth registration on Scotland's People for either Archibald (born 1861) or Margaret (born 1864) ? These records should contain the date and place of the couple's marriage (info supplied by the informant who registered the birth). This information started to appear on statutory birth registrations after 1860 , so will not been on the certificates of the two older children.
Equally, if this info is missing and Euphemia is recorded only as MacColl and not MacArthur m.s. MacColl it would indicate that the couple were unmarried.
Looby :)
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Hi again Wendy,
Could this be the family on the 1871 Census?
Muckairn - Lailt Fisherman's House.
Duncan McArthur aged 59 Fisherman born Argyll , Kilmore
Euphemia McArthur aged 46 Fisherman's wife born Argyll, Kilmelford
Mary McArthur aged 16 Fisherman's dau born Argyll, Muckairn
Duncan McArthur aged 12 Fisherman's son/scholar ditto
Archibald McArthur aged 9 Fisherman's son/scholar ditto
Margaret McArthur aged 6 Fisherman's dau/scholar ditto
The spelling of McArthur (Mc not Mac) is as per transcribed on Freecen.
Looby :)
Added also 1861 Census -
MCARTHUR Duncan 48 Salmon Fisher Argyllshire - Kilmore
MCARTHUR Euphemia 37 Argyllshire - Melford
MCARTHUR Catherine Dau 14 Scholar Argyllshire - Melford
MCARTHUR Flora Dau 12 Scholar Argyllshire - Melford
MCARTHUR Donald Son 10 Scholar Argyllshire - Melford
MCARTHUR Mary Dau 6 Argyllshire - Melford
MCARTHUR John Son 8 Scholar Argyllshire - Melford
MCARTHUR Ann Dau 4 Argyllshire - Muckairn
MCARTHUR Duncan Son 2 Argyllshire - Muckairn
So there seems to be several more children than the ones you listed.
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1851 Census
Duncan Mcarthur, 35 Fisherman born Kilmore
Effie Mcarthur, 27 born Kilmilford
Bell Mcarthur, 6
Carthrie Mcarthur, 4
Flora Mcarthur, 3
Donald Mcarthur, 1
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Trish 1120 and loobylooar thanks yes this is who I'm looking for but didn't realise they had so many children. I will buy some credits to check out the births thank you loobylooar.I
Wendy
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I can't find births for either Euphemia or Duncan at all on Scotland's people. I've found a Duncan McArthur on family search baptised 1817 parents Duncan McArthur and Margaret Livingston at Lorn Argyll.
I also can't find a marriage.
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Hi Wendy,
Statutory registration in Scotland did not begin till 1855. Before that you are relying on Old Parish Registers (OPR's).
It could be that Euphemia and Duncan's births/baptisms were never recorded as it was not obligatory so. Or it could be that the records for the parish they were born in have been lost/destroyed. Sadly not all OPR's have survived.
The same applies to their marriage record - that's why I suggested you look at the birth registrations of the youngest to children born after 1860 (when marriage details were added ).
Duncan McArthur would be a fairly common name - so perhaps the 1817 birth is not your Duncan's.
His age is given as 35 in 1851 (birth circa 1815)
48 in 1861 (birth circa 1813)
59 in 1871 (birth circa 1812)
Looby :)
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I've found a death for Duncan McArthur in 1875 age 64 which would make him born about 1811/12 so that birth i found previous won't be him.
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I've found a death for Duncan McArthur in 1875 age 64 which would make him born about 1811/12 so that birth i found previous won't be him.
If you have found Duncan's death registration , you should have the name of his parents. These would be recorded assuming the informat of his death knew the information.
Looby :)
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The death of Duncan McArthur 25 th October 1875 age 64 parents Duncan McArthur and Mary McDonald. Their son Duncan was born 21st November 1810 so the dates add up. Found this about birth on family search.
Margaret MacArthur born 16th July 1864. Parents Duncan and Euphemia MacArthur maiden name MacColl. So it's looks like they did marry
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The death of Duncan McArthur 25 th October 1875 age 64 parents Duncan McArthur and Mary McDonald. Their son Duncan was born 21st November 1810 so the dates add up. Found this about birth on family search.
Margaret MacArthur born 16th July 1864. Parents Duncan and Euphemia MacArthur maiden name MacColl. So it's looks like they did marry
That's good that you have found Duncan's parents.
Does Margaret's birth registration not have a note of the place and date of their marriage ? I would have thought it would. Who registered the birth?
Looby :)
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No date of marriage it says Duncan MacArthur father not present. So presumably it was the mother who registered her.
It also spells her name as Euphane MacArthur.
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No date of marriage it says Duncan MacArthur father not present. So presumably it was the mother who registered her.
It also spells her name as Euphane MacArthur.
Euphane is a variation of the name Euphemia. I don't know if the other birth - Archibald in 1861 would enlighten you to a time and date of marriage - if nothing is recorded on Margaret's, his could be the same :-\ . Have you found Euphemia's death? That would at least give you her parents' names and you could look for both Duncan and Euphemia on the 1841 Census when they may well still have been single.
Looby :)
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No I haven't yet thought I had with a death 1900 age 75. It said Euphemia McArthur widow of Duncan
Fisherman deceased but parents were Donald Turner and Euphemia Clark. Am I missing something did she marry a McColl first. If so how can I prove it?
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You mention a possible death in 1900 for Euphemia. What was the date and who reported it?
I did see this entry for 1901 which I thought would be her living by herself:
Euphemia Mcarthur 76 b. Milfort
Address: 24 High Stree Oban
Monica
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Mmm?
There is a marriage in 1850 of Duncan McArthur to Euphemia Turner at Portnahaven, Argyll . I wonder if this is a different couple and the death is for a different Euphemia. Who registered the death and where did it take place?
Looby
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I think Euphemia's death might have been in 1902 in Kilmore and Kilbride (ref 523/ 78) showing as Euphemia McArthur/McColl aged 84.
Monica
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I think I have found her death in 1902 age 84 which is slightly out father Donald McColl (old soldier) whatever that means, no mother's name but don't think the informant was a relative. It looks like it could have been a doctor.
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The place where she died was 24 High street, Oban
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That address matches the 1901 entry we have. Looks like you have found her entry :)
Monica
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Sorry Monical think we found it at the same time. Yes I think this is her. So I have got a father's name at least.
Yes looby I think I got that marriage wrong
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Well you have got Euphemia now.
Wonder if we can find her on 1841?
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1851 Census
Duncan Mcarthur, 35 Fisherman born Kilmore
Effie Mcarthur, 27 born Kilmilford
Bell Mcarthur, 6
Carthrie Mcarthur, 4
Flora Mcarthur, 3
Donald Mcarthur, 1
Trish found them earlier.
Monica
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If Bell (Isobel/bella etc) was first born daughter I wonder if this is a clue to Euphemia's mother's name if they followed some form of Scottish naming pattern?
I did see this possible marriage/banns. Right time frame and place, for maybe Euphemia's parents:
Donald Maccoll and Isabel Mccoll
31 Oct 1816
Kilninver And Kilmelford,Argyll,Scotland
Monica
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Yes Monica - that's the 1851 which Trish found.
It's the 1841 Census , which could be before Duncan and Euphemia married I'm referring to.
Looby :)
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Yes it could be monica
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:P Tired! Will struggle to add 1 + 1 I think.... ;D
Wendy, you mentioned from Euphemia's death cert that her father showed as 'old soldier'. Often this is referred to as a Chelsea Pensioner indicating that the ex soldier was still in receipt of a pension.
I found this record which given the location would fit well for Donald McColl http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8831296
Aged 46 in 1814 would give him a birth year of c 1768. Would also fit with him maybe going home and marrying later in life after 20 years of service?
Monica
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Yes me too. I will have a look tomorrow when my brain is working again
Thanks all
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Hi
Ive found a birth for a Donald McColl born 7th August 1800, his parents are Donald McColl and Effy McCallum, obviously that throws out the marriage in 1816 and the war record. What do you think? If i could find Euphemia's birth or marriage i could find out who her mother was.
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Have got a copy of Archibald MacArthur birth certificate and Duncan and Euphemia married 1844 in Kilmore.