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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: Finley 1 on Thursday 02 August 18 18:09 BST (UK)
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I am stuck :( well and truly - with
MY Cornwall crew ---
OK details :
Phillipa Hellyar is my lovely great gran - married to Fred Raven Patrick. LOVELY have all that.. so am now tracing right back with the Hellyars and various branches.
They are complicated so I have left it for a while.
This last week I attempted to sort:
John Hellyar 1629 Lanrivey Cornwall
now he is supposed to be married to a Hester Laverton
but countless searches on as many different web sites as poss and nothing.
would be lovely if anyone knew anything or could find anything.. I pulled up the Cornwall OPC and it is brilliant.. but I must have a detail wrong on this.
Many years ago now, My Bff and I were working this crew together... that is How I got up to John 1629 --- hadnt attempted beyond or his wife till now.. Because my beautiful best friend, had a stroke... WE were 'only' virtual friends... but that doesnt matter these days. anyway we have now lost touch. so sad.. I darent write to her OH again. bless him
xin
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just sorted this to show where I am.
xin
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Hi Xin,
What is your evidence for either John (1629) or Thomas (1671)? I've tried the OPC for both christenings and marriages for both and have come up with absolutely nothing. Same goes for Hester Laverton.
Regards,
Keith
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hello
will go check what I have and see :)
back soon
xin
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Hi Xin,
What is your evidence for either John (1629) or Thomas (1671)? I've tried the OPC for both christenings and marriages for both and have come up with absolutely nothing. Same goes for Hester Laverton.
Regards,
Keith
Have John bpt 13 Dec 1629, Lanlivery
Parents - Walter Hellyer and Maria
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Yes they are all there on the OPC
just checked my records..
I always do a PERSON search gives a wider scope pm your email addie I will send you what I have :)
xin
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Thats them Gadget thank you :)
xin
ps are we linked then Kieth :)
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I also have John's baptism and parents now, from FamilySearch. No idea why I could find nothing on the OPC.
Interesting that Thomas's 29 Aug 1671 baptism gives his mother's name as Hester, which would tend to support the Laverton marriage.
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I have found one family tree which names her as Hester Leverton, born 1630, Cornwall, married John Hellyer, 1670. The tree contains no supporting evidence and is not specific as to locations.
I can find no record of Laverton or Leverton on FS.
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She was BORN IN LONDON
see attached.
xin
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this
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I have years of notes on my searches for this lady and came up with this baptism as a last resort.. and have noted to MYSELF to do more research on her Father Thomas and how he may have travelled to Cornwall or how she managed to marry someone from Cornwall.
Havent any good results on that and it has been put on HOLD.
some 4 years ago..
back burner for that day when..
But as you know there is not another Hester Leverton to be found.. so the connection needs to be found between this family and Cornwall
xin
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ON reflection, I will check to see if a Thomas that could relate to being her daddy is born in Lanlivery. etc.. have another scout around the online REG's...
for a possible link between Thomas Leverton - London and Cornwall
possible dates 1600's
xin
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I found some other unsupported information on another tree but what you've come up with proves that it is utter rubbish, claims she was born in Cornwall, 1649.
I agree that her father warrants lookig into but you might also care to look deeper into the Cornish Hellyar family. I see a variety of records centred on St Merrion and Padstow.
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I have spent many years now researching Cornwall Hellyar /iar/ieers and various other spelling.s.s.s.
so I dont want to spend more time and money on them..
MY old friend had spent many hours in the records office with officialdom and offical docs.. getting to grips with this family..
so I dont want to stir up what I have..
I am not convinced as yet about Walter and Edmund and up etc....... but
There is a JOHANNA born in Cornwall in 1649 OPC shows that one.
Yes there are oooodles of variations to the Hellyar theme and MY IVEY link oooodles.. and with things as they are all I can do is my very very best and gain as much 'hopefully credible' information as I can.
I always attempt to verify and then verify again, however some times things slip through the net and a similar name can be added inadvertantly.. I do try and certificate my stuff where I can.. I do not skimp on certs..
I work on this for MY KIDS so I want it to be as close to or the Truth.. where it can be.. I do always listen to arguement..
but i am xin and totally not infallable.
xin
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Just a thought but instead of Thomas Laverton/Leverton going to Cornwall is it possible that John Hellyar lived in London for a while and that they wee married there. It's been bothering me that I can find no marriage on the Cornwall OPC.
Wow! I also have a connection, albeit somewhat tenuous, to the Iveys.
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OOOO MOTHER IVEYS curse --- find what you can on that. he he. its an interesting tale.
anyway Maybe that is it John travelling on his horse will delve later..
bless em all x
xin
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I will go through records to see where that record is or why she is attached to John. it could take some time..
xin
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A truly fascinating tale, of which I was not previously aware.
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this is johns death the brother of my william my 2nd gg.
He Fell from his horse!!!!
oooo so spooky
xin
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There are quite a few tales to tell with this lot..
but as yet no marriage..
soo all out search, if I havent already 10 times..
maybe I decided at some point that 6 gens positivity was sufficient. I doubt it.. if I know me.
xin
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I have written to OPC
who knows they may find something
xin
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One thought is the amount of people that left London around 1665 due to the Plague...
If they could afford to get away they would.. so maybe Hester left London to go to family down south..
There is NO TRACE of a marriage --- I have checked my records and written several notes -
saying nothing found, and that is from 2010.. so... my final note on my page was that I had left that one for the daughters to find :)
be great to find it though..
or a baptism that proves the correct mother child relationships as per Scottish records...
ho hum
leaving it for now..
xin
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These things are sent to try us. That's what makes genealogy so interesting.
Not only genealogy. back in June I was down in the St Minver area doing some research on an ancient farmhouse currently owned by a member of the extended family. I knew from old records that it had once had its own chapel but could find no trace of it on the ground. With you having rekindled my interest in Cornwall I decided to go through my collection of old maps this evening and I found it, on an 1880 OS map. What's more, its position is so clearly defined that if I go down again, either later this year or in the spring, I will be able to walk straight to it. Records from the late 1700s suggest that the chapel was derelict by that time so I was surprised to see it clearly defined on an OS map from a hundred years or so later.
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Hi xin
No need to go down there you can see the Lanlivery Registers on Family Search.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1769414
At the bottom of the search page is a link to browse through the images coloured red. Click on this and then choose Cornwall and then choose your parish.
The Lanlivery register is in very poor condition for the time period you are looking at.
Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1600-1758 - The bit you want starts about Image 78
Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1644-1812 - The first part of this register is obviously a re-write but it is very legible. The records are composite so the events appear year by year and not in special sections for
Baptisms Burials and Marriages.
I could not find the marriage you are looking for. But some pages are in very poor condition with damage that makes the illegible and the person who did the re-write may not have been able to read all of them.
However, even if they were perfect you would be very frustrated because in this part of the register the marriages do not state the surname of the bride. It's all John Smith and Mary his wife were married. (Unless you were the vicar's or the Squire's daughter.)
I guess Hester's surname mentioned in a Will or some other document. Since this practice of only giving the bride's forename was pretty common in the 1600's it's possible you may never find a Helliar - Leverton Marriage. There is no other information about John and Hester other than their names in the register. Except that Hester is stated to be a widow when she was buried.
There is no age at death stated but I did find a child of John and Hester's baptized 12 Sep 1686. If she was born in 1630 she would be age 56 when he was born. There is a Hester Cleverton born at Poughill but even 1633 puts her over 50 in 1686.
Hope this helps
Venelow
Canada
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Well blow me down. :o :o. thank you and bless you all the way from UK to Canada :)
will have a very good ferrett. ;D
thanks
xin
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No Problem Cousin xin
Cousin Ven
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OOO so we are kin .... :) did I already know, ? I am sorry -- I have to work hard with the memory these days
xxx
Hello Cousin
are you on my DNA list - that I will never comprehend.. but there you go.
xin
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Hi Keith, my Beswetherick family lived at Trevelver farm ... subsequent to the Wills family. Did you get any further info on the property? 2 years ago I visited the house.... so amazing!!!!
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Hi Bronwyn,
Great to hear from you.
I'm sorry but I've been out of commission for a while with health problems and haven't been able to pursue my interest in Trevelver. I'm hoping to go back down to St Minver in the next two or three months to do some more detailed investigation.
Just about the only two things I've managed to find of late are a document which suggests that the Beswethericks left the farm in 1898 (I know from census returns that the Wills family were back there in 1901) and, from just one map sheet, the precise location of the 17th century chapel associated with the house.
If you have any additional information I'd be most grateful if you would share it.
Regards,
Keith