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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Mary Crane on Saturday 04 August 18 11:43 BST (UK)
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There seems to be a gap in the records of Bitton Parish Registers from about 1674 to about 1754. Does anyone know if these are available somewhere and able to be accessed?
Thanks
Mary
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Does this help?
https://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/media/10855/parish-register-guide-b-final.pdf
STG
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Bitton family website
http://www.bittonfamilies.com
This gives a list of transcripts from records
'About the Transcriptions
The source of these transcriptions is the St Mary's Bitton Registers. Original documents are held at the Bristol Records Office.
Our Bitton transcriptions currently start at about 1670. We have good coverage of Bitton marriages, in particular, with a complete listing of all marriages 1723 to 1760 and a complete surname index for marriages 1760 to 1781. We have a complete listing of all Bitton baptisms from 1779 to 1813'
Burials: 1678 to 1685
1686 to 1690 - records missing
1691-to 1812 - selected names extracted
Christenings/Baptisms
1670 to 1779
Selected names extracted as well as a few random names
etc etc
Marriages 1674 onwards
etc
Just go down the list
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The Forest of Dean website
http://www.forest-of-dean.net
Has Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations and Marriage Bonds - in total they have transcribed
758/764 residence: Bitton and the earliest is 1637. If you just put in the residence : Bit and not the full name - there is 764 - Just put an % in the name search - as Surnames are spelt in many ways!
If you are not a Member of the above Website - just have to register. The Marriage Allegations are under the heading : RESOURCES
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Hope this helps
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Hi STG
Many thanks for the link. I can access the 'Registers of Bitton' which give baptisms 1572-1674 and Bristol Diocese Registers which start at 1754, but I am looking for baptisms around 1700 - 1720 and these are in the registers held by Bristol Archives. I don't have access to those and as I am in Australia unable to visit the Records Office. Ancestry only has a very few earlier records but not the ones I am looking for.
Mary
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Hi Capetown
Many thanks for the information and links. Unfortunately the Forest of Dean site didn't have anything helpful and whilst the Bitton Families is a great site, the records of christenings consists of 'Selected names extracted as well as a few random names' and I had no luck there. There were just a few earlier records, from 1692 - 1724 but the remainder was after that date.
I am looking for Christenings between about 1700 and 1720 in Bitton or possibly St. George, Bristol. I understand these records are with the Bristol Archives but I do not have access to those and Ancestry does not have those early records.
Mary
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? What surname are you researching.
OSBORNE*/SHORT/SHARP/ROGERS/GAY (*occupation: Blacksmiths) from Bitton is a
our family line and quoting from a Reseacher's notes years ago...
'St George was once a semi rural parish on the north east side of Bristol, which has now been absorbed into "great Bristol" as the latter has spawled outwards.
Apart from the usual activities of a local Blacksmith (mending and making tools and ironwork and shoeing horses) there was a big demand for blacksmiths at the coalpits. The whole area around Kingswood was a big coalmining area'
Bitton area also had many 'Hat makers' - who used Mercury and the vapours often turned them 'mad'..... Hence... Mad as a Hatter.
May be Bitton Parish History Group could help
http://www.bittonhistory.org.uk
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I am trying to confirm -
(1) the date of birth and father of Samuel Caines (Cain/Caine/Kayne). His burial record gives his dob as 1716 but this does not fit in with his marriage/children. Many other trees on Ancestry have his parents as Henry Caines and Ann Signey and dob as 1706 but I can find no source for this and 1706 is 6 years after his parents marriage. (No previous marriage for Henry)
(2) the parents of Joshua Caynes/Cains dob about 1700, Many other trees have his parents as Henry Caines and Mary Berrat but again no sources.
There was a large Cains family in Bitton and several members, along with others, were in the notorious Cock Road Gang and either executed or transported. I am trying to confirm the connections between the various branches .
It's just a case of christening records being available during that time - early 1700s.
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According to Phillimore there are copies of original registers at the library of the Society of Genealogists. www.sog.org.uk.
I presume they are in London. Might be worth an e-mail if there's an addy or writing to them. Better have a look at the Website.
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Thanks - Will do.
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Just had a quick look at Familysearch. IGI/LDS.
There's a Samuel Cains bn 1716, bd. 2may1776 Bristol. marrd. Elizabeth, daughters Edith and Eleanor.
Joshua bd. Bitton 12may1789.
I don't know whether these are yours, but if so Samuel proves there are entries 1700 to 1720.
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Many thanks -
The burial record for Samuel Cains gives his dob as 1716 but because the age of someone deceased is often given by a neighbour, or even a family member, who really has no idea of when the person was born - just knows they are 'old', I like to have some confirmation. 1716 does fit in with his parent's marriage (in 1712) but not with the birth of his son Benjamin in 1732. (16 would have been a bit young!)
As you say there are some records of that period but they are pretty random - not at all comprehensive.
I know 'my' Samuel was the father of Benjamin dob 1732 so he must have been born at least no later than 1712 - the year Henry and Ann (parents) were married.
I was hoping for confirmation that Henry and Ann were Samuel's parents which is why I was hoping for a christening record, but no luck so far!
Thanks for your help
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Age of Marriage Act 1929 (UK)
Up until this Act - Males could legally marry at 14 and Females could marry at 12 - this Act raised the age to 16 years.
My x grandmother was aged 14.
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I knew at one stage it was legal to marry at such a young age but surprised it wasn't changed until 1929. This does mean that Samuel could have been married and a father at 16 years.
Thank You
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Have you used the National Archives website - as this will tell you where records are held
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Quick search for KAINS/CAINES etc etc - three examples
3 November 1747 Overseers of the Poor, - Bastardy
Examination re paternity before/after birth
Frances CAINES, Samuel WILLIAM, horsedriver
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24 July 1761
Overseers of the Poor, St Mary Bitton: Settlement Examination
Abigail KAINS, single woman
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9 March 1762
St Mary Bitton - Overseers of the Poor
Anne CAINES dau 7 and a half years: John HULBERT, butcher
? ( Is it the same John HULBERT who married Hester NOBLE, St George, Bristol, 28 September 1766)
(a couple of these records are held at Gloucestershire Archives)
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The Cain's were pretty well established in Bitton, although given as living in Bristol as well. Found entries in 1815 for them. Samuel and Benjamin. Clue to retaining family names.
I presume Henry was born Bitton 1686 which would have made him 26 on marriage in 1712. A typical male age at marriage. I can't find a baptism for Ann Signey (if she's the right wife). Ann would likely have been younger than Henry, say 17. So born 1695. So that would have made her 37 in 1732 (Benjamin). Quite possible not reached menopause by several years.
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Many thanks to you both
I have tried the National Archives for a possible Will for Henry Cains (dob 1686) hoping there might be one which mentions a son Samuel, but no luck.
I know that baptism records for the period I am looking at - 1700 - 1720 - are held at Bristol Archives but being in Australia I don't have access to them.
I have confirmed the marriage of Henry and Ann Signey and also a son Henry dob 1718. It is just trying to confirm if Samuel dob c 1716 was their son and this is my problem as I cannot find any birth/batism record for him.
Likewise a record for the birth/baptism of Joshua Caynes/Cains, dob c 1700, son of Henry and Mary Beratt.
I have lots of information of the Cains family of Bitton and also St George, Bristol but am stuck with these two. It looks like it will be one of those brick walls!
Thanks to everyone for their help and advice
Mary