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Title: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: bobtonks on Monday 06 August 18 18:01 BST (UK)
Annie Scarr was born about 1865. In 1871 there is a record of Anne Scarr (1865) living with her grandmother Elizabeth in Cambridge. In 1881 she is living in Impington with her Aunt & Uncle (Fred & Eliz Adams).
She married William S Britain in 1887 and in 1891 they were living near Ely.

Can anyone see the names of her parents?

Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: StanleysChesterton on Monday 06 August 18 18:32 BST (UK)
There's one born in 1864

Annie Amelia Scarr, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XM4-GZX
GRO has it missing, so must be a typo in their index somewhere.
Camdex tells me it was in St Andrew the Less Cambridge.

I'd fiddle around a bit more with the GRO to try to force information out of it as it's clearly registered and present both on FS and Camdex.
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 06 August 18 20:18 BST (UK)
Can't find it on GRO even with fiddling. 

Have you tried tracing back the Aunt and Uncle as one of those must be related to either her mother or father. 

Alternatively you could get the birth or marriage for her to get parental information. 
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 06 August 18 20:23 BST (UK)
Frederick Adams marriage to Elizabeth Scarr Dec 1878 Chesterton

Would have expected it to be earlier as the Aunt and Uncle are in their 40's but could be the right couple.
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: crisane on Monday 06 August 18 20:27 BST (UK)
FreeBMD
Annie Amelia Scarr birth registered June 1/4 1864 Cambridge vol 3b page 492

Looks like it is missing from the GRO index for some reason. The entry has no question marks against on FreeBMD. I have reported it to the GRO
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 06 August 18 20:27 BST (UK)
Going back with Elizabeth in 1851 there is a Scarr family with mother Elizabeth father Joseph.

Elizabeth the daughter has siblings including an Amelia so on the right track I think. 

I wonder if Annie Amelia was born to one of the daughters and was illegitimate but without the certificate can't say.

Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 06 August 18 20:36 BST (UK)
GRO's attempt!

SEAN, ANNIE  AMELIA 
no mmn    
Q2 1864 CAMBRIDGE  Volume 03B  Page 492
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 06 August 18 20:42 BST (UK)
Neither of Elizabeth's sisters Amelia and Harriet have married by 1871 - either of them could be mother
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: bobtonks on Monday 06 August 18 22:09 BST (UK)
Thank you all for looking. I guess if it was one of Elizabeth's sisters it would probably have been Amelia. (Annie Amelia Scarr).Amelia married David Wallis in 1880 but didn't have any children.(as far as I can tell)

Bob
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: crisane on Tuesday 07 August 18 03:57 BST (UK)
Birth reg
Mary Ann Wallis, March  1/4 1881 registration district Cambridge vol 3b page 514. Mother's maiden name Scarr

Death
Mary Ann Wallis March 1/4 1881 Cambridge vol 3b page 337 age 0
   
This is the only one I can see at the moment.


Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 07 August 18 12:02 BST (UK)
GRO's attempt!

SEAN, ANNIE  AMELIA 
no mmn    
Q2 1864 CAMBRIDGE  Volume 03B  Page 492

Having spent some time unsuccessfully looking for the birth on the GRO site, I'd be fascinated to know you you managed to get this result  :-\
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 07 August 18 13:38 BST (UK)
You can get it by putting in
Sc*  (Phonetically similar variations)
Annie
Amelia
1864
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 07 August 18 13:41 BST (UK)
You can get it by putting in
Sc*  (Phonetically similar variations)
Annie
Amelia
1864

Well that shows how much attention I pay. When did they start allowing wildcards?
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 07 August 18 14:14 BST (UK)
I don't know Jen, I just tried it and it worked  ;D  First I tried Sca* and when that worked Sc*   
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 07 August 18 19:19 BST (UK)
I'd tried phonetical on Scar and Star with no luck then decided to try something a bit more random to push it into a wider range of  options so put in Sar!
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 08 August 18 07:43 BST (UK)
It looks as though the GRO index search is a lot more flexible than it used to be  :)
Title: Re: Annie Amelia Scarr
Post by: cuffie81 on Wednesday 08 August 18 18:18 BST (UK)
You can get it by putting in
Sc*  (Phonetically similar variations)
Annie
Amelia
1864

Well that shows how much attention I pay. When did they start allowing wildcards?

I don't believe the GRO have started supporting wildcards.

I think what you're seeing here is just a result of the algorithm the GRO are using for phonetic matching (Metaphone) and how they're using it. They're matching on any name where the Metaphone code is the same or has up to one character different.

For the names Sc, Sc* and Sca* the Metaphone code is SK. For the name Sean the Metaphone code is SN. As these are just one character different the GRO are treating this as a match.

Here's a useful page if you want to check what the Metaphone code is for a given name:
Metaphone Calculator for Genealogy Searches by Ancestor Search
http://www.searchforancestors.com/utility/metaphone.php


As for wildcard matching, they have built support for it but for some reason they've disabled it in the UI. It's quite trivial to enable it, and it does work, but it's almost certainly against their terms-of-use to do so.