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I really enjoyed this programme ;D
2 very interesting lines of research, I thought.
Had the added atraction (for me) of a link to the Isle of Man :D
The King Orry was an Isle of Man Steam Packet vessel - very well known in these parts.
I am also very much liking this season's more personal side of research?
OK we know that the subjects aren't actually doing the research, but it comes across as if they are at least thinking about things.
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I liked it too (and thought Marvin came across really well).
It’s the first one I’ve seen in this series - must catch up :)
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I too liked this one, although I'm afraid I had never heard of him, so Googled him before the programme started. He came over as very personable and really interested in what he was told.
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I was looking forward to this one and really enjoyed it. For once I actually stayed awake until the end ;D
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What a lovely man.
I liked this one,and the way he told his mum right at the start that he'd get back to her side later.
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I too found this an interesting episode.
Funny what different aspects of each programme appeal to various people.
I've now seen a few genealogy programmes that lead back to Jamaica and each time I've been surprised by the fact that the land doesn't appear to be farmed any more contrary to its earlier plantation history. Solely because one ancestor was a planter, I've been so intrigued that tonight I surfed to see what type of soil is found on the island.
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I found this an interesting episode, but I did wonder why Frederick Buckingham`s WW1 service ( if any ) was not mentioned.
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I wasn't going to watch this one because 1) I don't know him or his 'boy-band' and 2) It sounded like the whole programme would be based in Jamaica and that doesn't really interest me.
However, I started and couldn't stop watching. I thought he came across very well. To have one ancestor that was a slave and the son of that ancestor owning slaves was very difficult for him to come to terms with. I found him to be very interested in everything he was finding out on both sides of his family. Old Man Buckingham must have been a bit of a character I should think.
I just wish these 'celebrities' would stop saying 'Wow' all the time though.
Rishile
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I think that they say 'wow' because they are stuck for words!
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I found this an interesting episode, but I did wonder why Frederick Buckingham`s WW1 service ( if any ) was not mentioned.
I think that if the researchers HAD found any WW1 Service history, it would have been mentioned?
Or maybe it was simply left on the cutting-room floor, as there was so much else to fit in?
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I think that they say 'wow' because they are stuck for words!
Maybe some of them swear,so they have to do a re-take and ask them to say wow instead!
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I too enjoyed this episode, although I'd not heard of him before and was a little sceptical about whether it would hold my interest as I've no Jamaican history.
What a personable young man he was, thoughtful about researching both sides of his family and they were certainly interesting!
It seems such a shame that the land belonging to the family in Jamaica is just left to fend for itself. I did wonder why his gt. Grandfathers cousin hadn't mentioned it when they first met but I suppose they wanted him to see all the records first. His reaction to one of his ancestors owning slaves seem to cause him some concerns, understandably.
Poor old Fred Buckingham, he certainly didn't have the best of starts in life and so it continued! No wonder he always looked grumpy.
All in all an interesting programme.
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Good episode. I was recently helping someone with Jamaican ancestry so it was interesting to see how far back they went. There's no census records for Jamaica. I wasn't able to get back to slavery using the online records available the earliest record I found was a baptism from 1869.
Blue
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I was considering not watching this episode, as I've never heard of Marvin Humes, but really enjoyed it. His reactions seemed really genuine and the records found, particularly in Jamaica, were amazing. No wonder Old Man Buckingham was so grumpy - what a dreadful early life he had and what difficult times he had in his life in the Merchant Navy!
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I was considering not watching this episode, as I've never heard of Marvin Humes, but really enjoyed it. His reactions seemed really genuine and the records found, particularly in Jamaica, were amazing. No wonder Old Man Buckingham was so grumpy - what a dreadful early life he had and what difficult times he had in his life in the Merchant Navy!
I wasn't sure who he was either but tbh I'd watch the programme if it was a member of the public. There's usually interesting stories.
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Instead of giving Marvin a jolly to Jamaica they could have tried to sort out Frederick's true parentage - not as easy as it first seems, give it a try.
Also I was a bit confused by those medals Marvin was given at the end of the programme. Were they meant to be Frederick's actual medals (from a descendant of Frederick's) or just copies of medals he would have been awarded?
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Good episode. Marvin seemed genuinely shocked by the fact his black ancestor kept slaves.
I think he and his mum may have found a new hobby :)
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Instead of giving Marvin a jolly to Jamaica they could have tried to sort out Frederick's true parentage - not as easy as it first seems, give it a try.
Maybe they tried and it was difficult. Perhaps it was more about the man rather than the child.
I enjoyed Jamaica :)
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Maybe they tried and it was difficult. Perhaps it was more about the man rather than the child.
I enjoyed Jamaica :)
Oh yes I enjoyed Jamaica but its not as if the programme has not been there several times before and they didn't unearth any scenarios that haven't been discovered before. Meanwhile I feel there is more to the story of Frederick than we were told, and yes it is difficult to search.
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Do you mean to go back into the ancestry of the Buckinghams?
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Do you mean to go back into the ancestry of the Buckinghams?
Yes. e.g for a start where is his birth registration?
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Loved it
another good one
keep em coming
xin
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One program that held my interest from beginning to end and many of them don't.
I have no research in Jamaica however had an assumption of where it was going ie slave ancestry, what they found surprised me ( and him) and I think because of his mixed emotions it reminded me of researching an ancestor I really decided I didn't like very much however I changed my opinion the more I researched and found out about him.
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Really enjoyed this episode. He seemed genuinely interested in his family history and I think he and his mum might carry on doing a bit for themselves. I don't think it really matters if you haven't heard of the celebrities, their stories are often very interesting and his definitely was
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Do you mean to go back into the ancestry of the Buckinghams?
Yes. e.g for a start where is his birth registration?
I noticed on one of his naval documents his name was George, I think this was his second name. There's a registration for a Frederick George Buckingham at Hendon, 1888. A possibility maybe? I can't bring up the episode on iplayer to check where and when Marvin's Mum said he was born.
I wasn't expecting this episode to be that interesting, but it was good to see the Jamaican side from a different perspective. And it 'blew me away' when the Dunkirk connection came up. Marvin can be very proud of these ancestors on both sides of his family.
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I doubt that is him.
1891 1050/130
Shows a Frederick G Buckingham 2 yrs living in Hendon with parents and several siblings. The siblings do not have the same names as Fred’s in Workhouse records.
That is if I am looking at the right w/house records though.
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I seem to remember they said he was born in 1890 in Chelsea
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There is this one
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QQR1-C6Z
Siblings Ellen and Mary match the records
:-\ maybe not but lots of similarities
1911 I think this is the same family - mmn Madden
I can’t find a birth for Frederick but others match
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLX-42D
I wonder if the family kept together except Frederick.
I would imagine that the family were researched and, if this is the rest of the family, they were considered not relevant to the search.
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On the seaman's service record shown to Marvin, he is Frederick George Buckingham, date of birth 27th April 1892., born Chelsea. That doesn't add up with the ages given on the workhouse records, or with the family of Frederick, Mary Ann [Madden], Ellen and Mary. Plus, this couple had another son, William David, in December qtr. 1892. I don't know, but I sort of suspect they've got two Frederick Buckinghams here, although that family fits well in many ways.
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I think William died and there was also a girl Susan who was older than Ellen, I think. Perhaps the wrong family.
Maybe that is why they didn’t bother going back - too difficult.
I will have to have another look at the programme.
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Had another look and the family in 1911 is the right one - matches the newspaper article.
His Merchant Navy record showed 1889 which fits the w/house records.
I still can’t find a birth so will leave it there, I think. I don’t want to detract from the thread.
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He seemed to be in the workhouse with just a mum and siblings,and yet later they mentioned both parents. I thought at first she may have been a single mum.
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The Workhouse records show her as married and they are a family in 1891.
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Just to add that William didn’t die.
1901 shows Mary with son William.
I do think this is the right family but accept that it might not be :)
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Like many others, I'd never heard of the chap, but enjoyed the programme. I also noted the comment to his mum near the start that he'd do her side later - and he did.
"Wow" is at least preferable to "Amazing" all the time. Like many other ones, there are sidelines we all think should have / could have been explored, but after all it is a programme for all, rather than for really detailed specialist consumption. It seems many of us amuse ourselves further by following up various clues given in different programmes - and that's good, surely, adding interest?
This series does seem to be better, and has at least largely got away from "Your great grandfather was a baker, so here's some dough and let's make a loaf" that was really starting to annoy me in an earlier series.
Oh dear, soon be at the end of the series ... do hope that they'll do another!
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One thing that irritated me was when they handed Marvin the medals. The War Medal 1939-45 had an oak leaf emblem on the ribbon, which denotes a Mention in Despatches. As this is a low level award for gallantry, one would have thought that the award would have been mentioned in the programme, unless it ended up on the cutting room floor. If Fred didn't get the award then the emblem should have been removed from the ribbon, unless, of course, it was all done for effect. A check of the London Gazette online didn't bring up an award of a Mention in Despatches for Fred. The medals themselves are ten a penny, since they do not have the recipient's name engraved on them. The MID, however, isn't given to everyone. No reflection on Marvin who would have accepted the medals in good faith.
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Oh, I'd thought he was simply being shown a set of medals that were the same as his father would have got, not that they were a gift.....
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I agree, I don't think anyone has ever been "given" a medal or medals, just shown a representation of what the person would have received.
I watch every episode once whether I know the person or not but if the subject matter is of less interest to me personally then I won't watch any repeats.