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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Staffordshire => England => Staffordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: senseideb1973 on Tuesday 07 August 18 02:19 BST (UK)
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hi ,
I am looking for my husbands 4GGM Harriet Clare's family
I think I have her on
1841 Census Alderhey Lane Mow Cop
John Clayer 67
Ellen Clayer 62
Thomas Clayer 39
Josewh Clayer 30
Harriett Clayer 25
Elishconn Clayer 2
( is this her daughter birth cert says Elittia Anne Clare B 3/9/1838 mother Harriet no Father )
1851 Census at her brothers
Josiah Clare 40
Ellen Clare 73
Elipann Clure 12
Fanney Clure 5
Harriott Clure 34
1861 Census married with husband
Thomas Sutton
Harrett Sutton
Tamar Clare daughter
Ellen Sutton daughter
Joshua Clare boarder
Help I'm confused .......who is the father of Ellittia & Tamar ?
and is Fanney the same person as Tamar ?
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Unless the fathers name is on either of the birth certs you have little chance of finding their biological father.
Occasionally - illegitimate children know their fathers names and show them when they marry but more often than not - they make up a name to appear "respectable"
Tamar was born 1846 - no mothers maiden name shown so also illegitimate
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Elishconn Clayer 2
( is this her daughter birth cert says Elittia Anne Clare B 3/9/1838 mother Harriet no Father )
FindMyPast has transcribed the name as "Elishe Ann"
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Ellen Sutton was b June qtr 1856 - no mothers maiden name shown so she was illegitimate
There is no Thomas Sutton/Harriet Clare marriage found on freebmd but there is this entry
Marriages September qtr 1855
CLARE Harriet Wolstanton 6b 100
LEES Thomas Wolstanton 6b 100
www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk confirms this couple married at Burslem St Pauls
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freebmd
Births September qtr 1838
Ellittia Ann Clare Wolstanton &c. 17 262
GRO online confirms the above spelling
When it comes to census entries - you have to allow for a lot of mis-transcriptions. The enumerator would often write down a "sounds like" version of a name as dialect etc played a big part in pronunciation of more unusual christian names.
Also - the condition of some entries plus poor handwriting make it difficult when it comes to transcribing census entries You will note that the 1841 entry is not exactly fully legible
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and is Fanney the same person as Tamar ?
Births Sep 1845
Fanny Clare Wolverhampton 17 303 mmn was Martin - 1845 marriage shows George Clare married Elizabeth Martin Tipton (St Martin)
No Tamar Clare showing elsewhere in 1851 so very likely she is Fanney on the 1851 - possibly a nickname
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New post re Thomas Sutton/Lees
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=798075.new#new
I see from that post that you already had the full 1855 marriage details as Lees - not Sutton