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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: nikitah on Tuesday 07 August 18 23:23 BST (UK)
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Hi, I have found a possible death for someone at Ulverston in 1921, is there any way I can check if it's the person I'm looking for other than sending for the certificate?. Than you , Nikitah.
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Local newspapers may have details of the funeral, relatives etc for a death at that time
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No is the short answer but maybe look for a burial or entry in the probate calendars for the person of interest to see if there is any information there.
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Thank you both for your replies, I did suspect as much. Do you know which newspapers covered Ulverston in 1921?. Many thanks, Nikitah.
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The Lancashire Evening Post is online for that period, not local as such but often copied stuff in local papers. Do you have access? If you are happy to provide a little more detail, dates, names etc I will have a look for you.
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He may not have died actually in Ulverston he could have lived in one of the surrounding villages Ulverston is just the registration district,a name would be helpful as suggested by Christeen and she then can do a general search,in Lancashire daily newspapers as it was Lancashire back then,also the Barrow News and the North Western Daily mail later evening mail are held at Barrow archives,I am unsure when the Ulverston news started production but like the Dalton edition it ceased being printed years ago,
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He may not have died actually in Ulverston he could have lived in one of the surrounding villages Ulverston is just the registration district,a name would be helpful as suggested by Christeen and she then can do a general search,in Lancashire daily newspapers as it was Lancashire back then,also the Barrow News and the North Western Daily mail later evening mail are held at Barrow archives,I am unsure when the Ulverston news started production but like the Dalton edition it ceased being printed years ago,
I should have thought that the person in question may not have lived in Ulverston! One of mine had a death registered there, he died in Barrow but lived in Morecambe which is where he was buried.
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Thank you all, If this is the person I think it is, then they most probably lived in Grange over Sands. I was looking to see if there are any MI's and found a couple of churches but no M I's . I maybe able to trawl a few church yards later but it would be best if I knew it to be the right person, and which church. Christeen thank you. the death I was looking at is Annie Mackereth age 38 died 1921, again if correct her mother was Elizabeth Mackereth ms Willan and father Thomas Mackereth, I suspect Thomas wasn't Annie's father. these Mackereths lived at Rockery House Grange over Sands, Annie on the other hand disappeared after having 5 children in Lancaster, the youngest was born 1916. the death for Annie I found on freebmd. Nikitah
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Hi Nikita, I did a general search of the Mackereth surname in 1921 and I'm afraid nothing came up of relevance. I did find a Mrs Mackereth advertising private apartments for rent at 2 Eastwood Terrace, Kents Bank Road, Grange over Sands in 1922 & 1923 and some Mackereths living in Ulverston at Penny Bridge about ten years earlier. Sorry :(
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Looking on findmypast they give the burial place as Flookburgh St John the Baptist for Annie. I am not familiar with the area but this might help you locate her. The record set is Furness burials
Regards
Panda
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Thank you Cristeen for all your hard work its much appreciated. Panda thank you it's still a possibility because Thomas Mackereth was born Flookburgh, there could be family members buried there. I'll have another search, many thanks, Nikitah
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are you sure she was still Annie Mackereth by 1921. A tree on ancestry has her with daughters Constance (1909) & Evelyn (1911) living as the wife of Joseph Huthart both registered as mmn Mackereth
Annie was registered in Kendal as Annie Eliza Willan in 1883
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Baptism: 12 Feb 1865 St John the Baptist, Flookburgh, Lancashire, England
Thomas Mackreth - [Child] of Ann Mackreth, Spinster
Abode: Flookburgh
Baptised by: T. Rigg
Register: Baptisms 1859 - 1869 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 1, Entry 6
Source: LDS Film 1040301
Baptism: 1 Apr 1866 St John the Baptist, Flookburgh, Lancashire, England
Thomas Rose Mackreth - [Child] of George Mackreth & Margaret
Abode: Meathop Fell
Occupation: Labourer
the 2nd one seems to be your Thomas as on all the census returns he states born Maethop or Meathop Fell
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Thank you lancslas, I was busy writing the above . Yes that's the Mackereths , looks like I need to be at St John the Baptist Flookburgh. Kind regards, Nikitah.
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There could also be the possibility of Lindale church which is actually closer to Meathop.
The tree I mentioned in my previous post has Annie dying in 1950 but I suspect that could be wrong. Registered in Westmorland but Grange, Ulverston etc were still Lancashire at that point.
Are you sure Annie never married?
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::)Not sure what happened last night, I wrote a long history of the family, it's disappeared, so I'll try again. First thanks to all of you for your interest and very hard work. I' know the owner of the tree on Ancestry, they are just as baffled so I wouldn't put much store by it. Annie and Joseph say they are married on the 1911 census but no marriage has ever been found. Annie disappears after her son Joseph was born in 1916, all the children are cared for by various family members, baby Joseph was looked after by the sister of Elizabeth Mackereth, the daughter Annie is cared for in Morecombe by a family called Snowden, the other three girls are supposedly cared for by some other relatives but they were treated badly the welfare officer intervened and they were placed in the care of Nazareth House Lancaster, Their father Joseph paid money to the home and we know he kept in touch early on he was present at his daughters funeral and at least one of his daughters weddings. Joseph senior was in the first world war unfortunately his papers haven't survived, so we have no idea when he joined. In 1919 he married a Yorkshire lass they lived in Morecombe and had three children I have the marriage certificate and there is no mention of being married before, about 1925 they moved to Yorkshire and stayed until Joseph died in 1977. So you see I'm not sure of anything and I thought I would try another angle after finding a death for Annie Mackereth age 38 in 1921 at Ulverston. I have to go out now If I think of anything else I'll do it when I get back, take care Nikitah.
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Hi, thought of something in 1891 census the Mackereth family with Annie age 7 are living in Harrogate street Barrow in Furness, just down the road still in Harrogate street the Huddart family are also living, Joseph is 2, maybe relevant or not :) , Nikitah.
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Hi again just checked my papers for the girls admission to Nazareth House, it was just 2 girls Evelyn and Gladys, their Father paid 10/- a week for them, they were received at the home January 1920 and their mother was living and a protestant, Eveline left in 1927 with her Grandmother Mrs Mackereth, Gladys was baptised a Catholic and took the name Theresa, she left in 1931, and Canon Duffy kept an eye on her, well every little piece of the jig saw helps, just a mysterious Annie to find. Nikitah.
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O what a tangled and unfortunate family. Thanks for the history. You would think the name Mackereth would be easy but I was amazed at how many there were in the Kendal area. At least 2 of them seem to be called Annie, I think I saw an Annie Eliza & an Annie Elizabeth.
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Thank you lancsann, I was going to say it doesn't help when like the Huddart's they keep changing their name, then noticed I've been spelling yours wrong ;D.. So I now think it possible that Annie wasn't Thomas Mackerth's daughter and only became a Mackereth when Thomas and Elizabeth married in 1888,we know from census returns that Annie E, was born Kendal as was her Mother and if I have done my home work right Elizabeth's mother was Eliza Willan ms Smith, Elizabeth also had a sister Eliza, easy isn't it? the only problem then is if Annie was illegitimate and registered as Willan, we then have a choice of 2 or more born Kendal about 1883/ 1885 one Annie Eliza and the other Annie Elizabeth, but if she was registered Mackereth oh well you get the picture ::) . I'm wondering if there will be anything about the children being taken into care , I have the name of the officer a Mr J Reabourne, but nothing has shown up so far. I may have to wait until the 1921 census is released, I can but hope , thanks to everyone for trying , catch you later Nikitah
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No problem with spelling my board name wrong. Several people misread it.
Annie Eliza Willan registered Kendal (see post #11).
As she was born 5 years before Elizabeth and Thomas married I would guess you are right in thinking Thomas was not her father and she was just known by his name. Unless a baptism naming a father or a bastardy order can be found I would think yo7 will never know.
Annie Elizabeth Willan b 1885 seems to appear in several census with father George mmm Doggett
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I would guess you are going to have to bite the bullet and buy that death certificate. On the evidence so far it seems the most likely. If you are lucky the informant of her death may help.
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Yes lancann, thank you, I think your right, story of my " family tree" life , not boring though. many thanks, Nikitah.
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Sorry if anyone is getting bored with this, I'm back ,I have just found I can order the death certificate from G R O, as a pdf for £6-00 so I wonder if anyone has used this, if the pdf contains all the details, it does say its not an official document, but I'm just looking to verify if its mine or not. It's looking promising as the E is Eliza on The G R O site. Nikitah.
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The PDF contains exactly the same information as a full certificate, it just can't be used in an official capacity. I have used the service a few times and found it to be very efficient.
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Thank you cristeen, that's a big help, I will send for it , not open weekends so will try Monday, many thanks Nikitah.
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You can order pdf certs online 24/7, so don't necessarily have to wait until Monday.
you still need the registration details but at the end of the ordering process you select the pdf option for £6
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Yes, thank you dawnish, I saw that, but they don't work weekends and it wont be delivered for 5 working days so I thought I would wait until Monday then it wouldn't seem so long ;D. any way I couldn't wait so it's now done and hopefully it will be with me on Friday. I'm more convinced than ever that Annie Huthart, Annie Eliza Mackereth and Annie Eliza Willan are one and the same, but I wont rest until I have the proof. roll on Friday. thanks for your interest, I can't believe I've never stumbled across this g, r o, pdf, before now, not as cheap as scotlandspeople but at least they are getting there. take care , Nikitah.
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Hi, the pdf arrived today, a day early, I can definitely recommend it. I was on the right track her father's name given as Thomas Mackereth and her mothers Elizabeth, also that Annie was a spinster, so all in all another wall gone. Thanks all, Nikitah.