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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: toby webb on Wednesday 08 August 18 10:23 BST (UK)
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I have found several William Rules from Camborne but would like to link one with the William who settled in U.S. The ship's manifest doesn't show very clearly William's second initial. Does anyone recognise this Rule branch?
Thanks, toby.
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Ships manifest?? Isn’t this the 1930 US census entry?
When did they arrive in the USA?
Does the entry confirm birthplace as Cornwall? Did they marry in England?
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You are right Carole, the 1930 image is here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R4F-FQ7?cc=1810731
William & Ada jnr were both bn in Montana, the other children bn Illinois.
What appears to follow on from these people in the same property
Ruby M Bullock step daughter age 15 born England
Louie Ellis mother in law age 62 born England
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I wonder if this is the marriage in Montana 1923
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3WJ-HCX
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So William was born in the USA and didn’t “settle” there and doesn’t appear to have any connection to Camborne
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Freebmd shows Ruby M Bullock b Redruth 1915 - mmn also Bullock so appears to be illegitimate
If Louie Ellis is William’s mother in law there is no Rule connection there
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So William was born in the USA and didn’t “settle” there and doesn’t appear to have any connection to Camborne
I cannot see the 1930 at the moment but if I remember WIlliam senior was born in England
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William & Ada jnr were both bn in Montana, the other children bn Illinois.
Sorry - mis-read your reply above - missed the jnr and thought it was the parents ::)
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You ladies are quite right. I made a mess of that. Sorry. It was indeed from the 1930 US Census. I have several relevant passenger lists and got them muddled. Tomorrow I will try to put together a coherent note on what I know for certain. T
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Could this be Ada's birth reg
Births September qtr 1895
Ellis Ada Winifred Huddersfield 9a 346
Are they on the 1920 census
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They are married on the 1920 entry - no children
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RFC-61B?i=1&cc=1488411
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Both Ada Rule snr (30) and jnr (3) plus William jnr (4) are shown as previously at 2 Centenary Row Camborne on an outgoing passenger list. Left Southampton 12.2.1925 for New York
Incoming list shows the 3 arrived 19.9.1924 - going to address shown above
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On Ancestry, SS Applications and Claims Index shows William Henry Rule b.25/11/1891 Camborne, son of Jeremiah Rule and Emily Webb.
William Henry Rule died 21/7/1949 Cook County, Illinois.
GRO index shows birth reg'd Mar.qtr.1892 - mmn Webb.
Clearly shown as William H. on 1940 census.
1920 census states they arrived in US in 1919.
Annette
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Ada Winifred Bullock married in 1915:
Ada W. Bullock married John T. Gill in June quarter 1915 Redruth
Ada W. Gill married William H. Rule in June quarter 1918 Redruth
(Assuming here that her first husband killed in WW1).
Annette
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Your additions Annette7 are timely and helpful for I now have the second marriage of Ada W Bullock. The BMD Index consistently failed to give me any entries and, even now with your additions , it is still showing a variety of names for William H Rule.
To clear up some other points. Louie was a Bullock until she married Edward Bruno Ellis in Camborne on 8 October 1911. He was killed in the early days of WW1 at The Battle of Coronel. Louie is found soon after living in Chicago and is later seen on several passenger lists crossing the Atlantic sometimes accompanied by Ruby Bullock. I share your suggestion CaroleW that she was illegitimate.
Ada Winifred Bullock was Louie's eldest daughter born Q3 1894 . I knew of her marriage to John T Gill but have not found his death on BMD Index or on WW1 casualty lists. There may also be more info. available on Ancestry US but I do not have access to that. Thanks to you all. T
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I have not been able to find attestation records but the follwing seems to be a likely lead.
Pt. John Gill 19171 6th Bn. Duke of Cornwall Light Infantry died 16/9/1916. Enlisted at Camborne.
Also on the War Memorial at St. Martin & St, Meriadoc Parish Church, Camborne appears J T Gill
The GPR grave number 482197.
T
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Have found William and Ada arriving 13/9/1918 Quebec on the "Scotian" although I cannot find them on UK outgoing passenger lists - however, with them is a son Gordon shown as 10 but this clearly supposed to be 10 months I think. Checking birth index a Gordon U. Rule birth is registered Dec.qtr.1918 Redruth - mmn Bullock.
Since there seems to be no further trace of said Gordon one can only presume that said Gordon died sometime between 1919 and 1920 census when William and Ada are alone.
Annette
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Ada W Rule: (Petition No.328814)
Lots of information
Naturalization Petition: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mhf/
Images: 629-631
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William Henry Rule (Petition No. 94993)
Naturalization Petition: 1930-1933 Petitions are missing
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mhg/
Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/22642571/william_h_rule_obit/
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Hi
William Henry RULE was born 25 (or 21st?) Nov 1891 at Redruth, registered Mar qtr 1892 Redruth 5c/208 mother's maiden name WEBB. He died about Jul 1949 in USA. He was married 18 May 1918 at Camborne to Ada Winifred BULLOCK (born 6 Jun 1894 at North Parade, Camborne, baptised 4 Jul 1894 at Camborne). She was first married 9 May 1915 at Redruth to John Thomas GILL (one daughter Ruby M GILL). William and Ada's children were - Gordon U 1918-1919, William Arthur 1920-2000, Ada Winnefred 1921-1993, Audrey Anita 1926, Albert "Jack" ca 1927, James H ca 1930 and Esther Frances 1931.
William Henry RULE's line is as follows:
Jeremiah RULE 1868-1899 m 1888 Emily Jane WEBB (later Mrs Ernest P FLETCHER)
Jeremiah RULE 1842-1911 m 1864 Jane SCADDEN
William Rowe RULE 1820-1899 m 1843 Blanche HOCKING
Stephen RULE 1775-1841 m ca 1805 Ann ROWE
James RULE 1744-1807 m 1770 Kezia ROWE
Stephen RULE 1702-1778 m 1727 Elizabeth HAMPTON
Johnson RULE ca 1663-1723 m 1687 Elizabeth JAMES
Johnson RULE 1629-1683 m 1654 Rebecca VEALE
John RULE m Margaret (she was buried 1680/81)
Robert RULE bur 1619
And, a further note, Gordon U RULE was born 7 Dec 1918 at Redruth, Cornwall, and died 19 Sep 1919 at the Finlen Hotel, Butte, Silver Bow, Montana. He was buried 20 Sep 1919 at Mt Moriah Cemetery at Butte.
There is a Facebook group for RULE families of Cornwall. It is called "The Rules of Cornwall (and beyond)". There are 158 RULE researchers there.
Contact me if you are interested in joining. There are descendants of William and Ada in that group.
Kind regards
Peter J Williams
Australia
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Thank you peterpjw. Very kind of you to go to so much trouble.
As this is not a direct line, or actually vey close to a direct line, I must decline the offer of membership. I wish the group every success.
Best wishes, Toby.
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Hi Toby
Thanks for the reply.
What is your connection?
Cheers
Peter
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Hi Peter,
Louie Bullock nee Giddy born c.1868 married the youngest brother of my grandfather. He was Edward Bruno Ellis and lost his life at the Battle of Coronel in 1914. Louie was unlucky. Her first husband, a miner, had died in South Africa from a respiratory disease. Their first child was Ada Winifred Bullock born Q3 1894 and she married William Henry Rule in Q2 1918.
How about that for a remote connection!
T
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Thanks, Toby
I guess, then, that Ada's son, Gordon U RULE would be Gordon Ulvesford RULE, after her brother.
Can you tell me Richard John BULLOCK's date of death?
Cheers
Peter
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Never mind, Toby, I found Richard John BULLOCK's administration record in the National Probate Calendar.
Cheers
Peter
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Thanks Peter. You are clearly some way from Camborne. I try to get down to that area each year and take lots of photos inc one of the Methodist Chapel in North Parade just before it was torn down. If there is a view you are particularly wanting, I will see what I can do. T
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Thanks, Toby
I'm in Australia. Thanks for the offer, I'll keep it in mind.
Richard John BULLOCK also has a RULE descent, via his mother Jane LUKE, whose father Richard LUKE was son of Mary THOMAS, daughter of John Thomas and Mary RULE.
Cheers
Peter
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Hello everybody,
my name is Carola, I'm from Germany (so please excuse my humble English). I'm trying to find out about the family of my great-great-grandmother Helen Rule, born in Camborne/ Cornwall. Helen married my German great- great- grandfather in 1883 and moved with him to Germany. I have only very few information about the Rule family and would be very happy to find out there are still relatives anywhere!
So, here are the names and dates I can provide:
My great- great- grandmother, Helen Rule, was born in Camborne on 12.15.1863
as the daughter of William Henry Rule (* 01.18.1841, Camborne + 04.11.1917, Camborne)
and
Mary Jane Hocking/Hoking/ Hawkin??? (birth date unknown, died 06.13.1881, Blights Row, Redruth)
Helen had fou or five siblings: Minnie, Annie, Lily (probably nicknames) and Charles and Samuel.
My great- great- grandmother married my great- great- grandfather Johann Leonhardt Braunsberg on 08.30.1883 in Camborne/ Cornwall.
William Henry Rule is supposed to have been a wealthy businessman in the mining business, owning mines in South Africa, but it's possible that's just a legend.
I would be so thankful for any information about the family.
Thank you very much, Carola
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Hi Carola
That family is in my database -
William Henry RULE bapt 3 Apr 1841 Camborne, abode Town
son of Jeremiah RULE & Elizabeth ROGERS
married 31 Jan 1861 Wesley Chapel, Camborne to
Mary Jane HOCKING b ca 1842 Redruth, dau of Samuel & Elizabeth HOCKING
They had at least 7 children -
1 Minnie, b March quarter 1861
2 Annie Hocking, b Sep qtr 1862
3 Ellen, b Mar qtr 1864
4 Elizabeth Mary "Lily", b Sep qtr 1865
5 William Henry, b Sep qtr 1871
6 John Charles, b Sep qtr 1874
7 Samuel John, b Jun qtr 1877
1881 Apr 4: ENG CON Camborne Beacon Hill Villas: census:
all b Camborne except as noted, no head of household stated
RULE, Annie (replacing Wm Hy crossed out), dau, unm, 18, scholar
RULE, Lilley, dau, 15, scholar
RULE, Charley, son, 5, scholar
RULE, Samuel, son, 3, scholar
TEMBY, Elizabeth, serv, wid, 55, general servant domestic, b Stithians
RICKARD, Sarah, serv, unm, 20, general servant domestic
[RG 11 Piece 2334 Folio 73 Page 34 Reel 1341561 CP Camborne RD Redruth ED 3, ancestry.co.uk].
William Henry, the father, married secondly 10 Aug 1886 at Treleigh to Eliza Jane TREGANOWAN bapt 25 May 1852 Baldhu, dau of Henry & Elizabeth TREGANOWAN.
His occupation - tin miner (1851), miner's labourer (1861), general merchant (1871), stock broker (1886), mine share dealer (1891).
More data -
1841 Jun 7: ENG CON Camborne Trelowarren Street: census:
all b CON
RULE, Jeremiah, 20, copper miner
RULE, Elizabeth, 23
RULE, William, 6m
[HO 107 Piece 141 Book 1 CP Camborne ED 2 Folio 45 Page 27 Reel 241263 Hundred Penwith RD Redruth SD Camborne, ancestry.com.au].
1851 Mar 31: ENG CON Camborne Union Street west side: census:
all b Camborne
RULE, Jerimiah, head, mar, 34, tin miner
RULE, Elizabeth, wife, mar, 38
RULE, William H, son, 10, tin miner
RULE, John, son, 7, scholar
RULE, Nicholas, son, 2
[HO 107 Piece 1916 Folio 63 Page 43 Reel 221070 CP Camborne EP Camborne RD Redruth SD Camborne ED 1b Schedule 155, ancestry.co.uk].
1861 Feb 8: ENG CON Camborne: newspaper marriage notice: "At Wesley Chapel, Camborne, on the 31st ult, Mr W Henry RULE to Miss Mary Jane HOCKING." [West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser, Fri 8 Feb 1861, posted by Maurine NUTTALL on CORNISH-GEN mailing list, Digest Vol 13 Issue 1, 13 Jan 2018].
1861 Apr 8: ENG CON Camborne Trelowarren Street north side: census:
RULE, William Henry, head, mar, 21, miner's labourer, b Camborne
RULE, Mary Jane, wife, mar, 19, b Redruth
RULE, Minney, dau, 2m, b Camborne
[RG 9 Piece 1583 Folio 169 Page 36 Reel 542835 CP Camborne EP Camborne St Martin RD Redruth SD Camborne Ed 6 Schedule 183, ancestry.co.uk].
1871 Apr 3: ENG CON Camborne Union Street: census:
all b Camborne except as noted
RULE, William H, head, mar, 30, general merchant
RULE, Mary Jane, wife, mar, 29, b Redruth
RULE, Minnie H, dau, 10, scholar
RULE, Annie, dau, 9, scholar
RULE, Ellen, dau, 7, scholar
RULE, Lily, dau, 6, scholar
[RG 10 Piece 2324 Folio 9 Page 9 Reel 838826 CP Camborne EP St Martin RD Redruth SD Camborne ED 4 Schedule 39, ancestry.co.uk].
1886 Aug 10: ENG CON Treleigh: marriage register transcript: "William Henry RULE, full age, residence Camborne, widower, Cornwall Stock Broker, signed, son of Jeremiah RULE miner, to Eliza Jane TREGANOWAN, full age, residence Treleigh, spinster, signed, daughter of Henry TREGANOWAN farmer, by licence, witnesses John WILLOUGHBY, Elizabeth Mary RULE, William Henry RULE" [COPC].
1891 Apr 6: ENG CON Camborne Veor House: census:
RULE, William H, head, mar, 50, mine share dealer, b Camborne
RULE, Eliza Jane, wife, mar, 39, b Kenwyn
RULE, Elizabeth M, dau, unm, 25, b Camborne
RULE, John Charles, son, unm, 17, b Camborne
UREN, Elizabeth A, serv, unm, 31, general servant domestic, b Hayle
next door to
RULE, Mary, head, 51, b Crowan
RULE, Lillian B, dau, 12, b Camborne
BENNETTS, Susan J, serv, unm, 22, domestic servant, b Troon
[RG 12 Piece 1850 Folio 72 Page 35 CP Camborne RD Redruth SD Camborne ED 3, ancestry.co.uk].
If you would like more information on his ancestry, let me know. I know some of William Henry's close relatives (but not descendants) - they are on the Facebook group called "The Rules of Cornwall (and beyond)".
Cheers
Peter
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Dear Peter,
thank so so much for your reply, that's really exciting!
That is definitely my greatgrandmother's family, her name is simply misspelled.
I'd love to have any possible piece of information. I've been trying to find out more about this family for about 15 years now.
Best wishes, Carola
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Hi Carola
I forgot to mention that William Henry RULE is my 4th cousin 4 times removed. Your great grandmother's birth was registered with the name Ellen.
I'll send you a private message.
Cheers
Peter