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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: moo on Wednesday 08 August 18 14:34 BST (UK)
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Good Afternoon
I am looking for William and Frances Elvin, but cannot find them in 1881 Census
1871
William is aged 35 b Reston married
Frances is aged 35 b Louth they have the following children
Jane N 14, Sarah 12, James 7 and found in Grimsby.
1891
William is deceased
Frances aged 54 Head and there is a child called Emma b Grimsby aged 16 again found in Grimsby.
Can anyone find them in 1881 - all help appreciated.
Regards
Moo
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All births listed Louth, plus 1 child Edwin born 1861 but possibly died in infancy, all listed as Wilkinson mother's maiden name
Emma born circa 1875, there are 2 births registered nearest this date
1874 Lincoln MMN NOT Wilkinson but TURNELL
1875 Caistor no MMN
Still working on 1881
Louisa Maud
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Supposition on my part at the moment
Is there a possibility that William died in Caistor, is so there is a death of William 1884 aged 47 Caistor which reasonably fits in with age on 1861 and 1871 and if that is the case Emma born Caistor 1875 with no maiden name might well be the child of possibly Frances and William Elvin, why no maiden name?
Louisa Maud
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Hello Louisa Maud,
I do believe that he died in Caister, and then buried in Cleethorpes, the 1891 C gave Grimsby as Emma's place of birth, I just double checked the census and it gives Grimsby Lincolnshire.
Wilkinson was Frances's maiden name.
Regards
Moo
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Good Afternoon
I am looking for William and Frances Elvin, but cannot find them in 1881 Census
1871
William is aged 35 b Reston married
Frances is aged 35 b Louth they have the following children
Jane N 14, Sarah 12, James 7 and found in Grimsby.
1891
William is deceased
Frances aged 54 Head and there is a child called Emma b Grimsby aged 16 again found in Grimsby.
Can anyone find them in 1881 - all help appreciated.
Regards
Moo
The name rang a bell, so I checked and have a William Elvin married to Francis in my partner's tree.
Do you know who his parents were? and I'll see if they match.
I have census info etc for our William, and will pass as much as I can on to you.
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Hello LindseyC
Williams parents were Thomas Elivn and Eliza Wilkinson Holloway married 1855.
Regards
Moo
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Found a 1901 Census
With Frances aged 64, Widow, Grimsby Lincs, born Louth, with a Granddaughter Emma aged 24, dressmaker born Grimsby, and a great Granddaughter Eva Elvin aged 5 living in what appears to be Fraser Street.
Regards
Moo
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That's them!
I haven't yet found an 1881 census record for the family either. Thomas seems to moved around Lincs. a bit in his early days so, maybe William did too.
Is there anything else you have missing?
Looking at Emma's birth record on https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Emma has no mother's maiden name listed, which suggests she was possibly illegitimate. I've haven't looked at the actual record to check - need to order a PDF for £6.
Given her DOB perhaps she is actually a Grandchild that Francis brought up as her own??????
I'll see if I can find anything else for William
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Various trees on ancestry but none have 1881
Louisa Maud
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Possibly barking up the wrong tree
1901 Census shows
Name Age
Frana Elvin 64
Emma Sulham 24
Eva Elvin 5
Jno Lambert 57
Jas Lambert 23
Mary S Lambert 22
Jno Jos Lambert 2
Wm Jas Lambert 1
but there is a marriage between an Emma Elvin and John Lambert 1898 Lincoln
Regards
Moo
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I have found Frances Elvin widow born Louth living in Clee 1901, with Emma Pullen - married Grand-daughter b abt 1877 in Grimsby. Emma Elvin married Alfred Henry Pullen in 1896 - though he doesn't seem to be living with Emma on the Census.
Their marriage record states her father as being Tom Elvin. Interesting as this was her Grandfather's name!
If we can find this mysterious Tom Elvin - if he even exists! we might get somewhere finding where Frances was in 1881!
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Possibly barking up the wrong tree
1901 Census shows
Name Age
Frana Elvin 64
Emma Sulham 24
Eva Elvin 5
Jno Lambert 57
Jas Lambert 23
Mary S Lambert 22
Jno Jos Lambert 2
Wm Jas Lambert 1
but there is a marriage between an Emma Elvin and John Lambert 1898 Lincoln
Regards
Moo
This record is the one I'm referring to also. The thing is that Williams had a brother Tom - born 1848 and he is in the 1881 census with his own wife - Eliza - and children. Emma Pullam's husband was Alfred Henry Pullam, and their marriage record states Emma's father as being Tom Elvin. Tom Elvin is in the 1881 census with his wife, Sarah who he married before 1771 (as they are in that census).
The only way to be sure if 'Frances' Emma', was actually her daughter (maybe by her brother-in-law????) is to order a PDF of her birth record, but to be honest, I've got more pressing records I need to pay out for.
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Sorry, I sent this without proof-reading - just to be clear the wife of Thomas Elvin b 1848 is Sarah (NOT Eliza)
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Hi LindsayC
William's brother Thomas born 19th November 1847 married 1870 to a Sarah Conyers and they had 11 children.
Checked 1881 Census - Frances and William - not with them.
Regards
Moo
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Hello Moo,
Jane Newday Elvin born 1857 Christening: 01 Feb 1857, Parish Church Swaby was my Great Great Grandmother.
She married George Pettis Groves (my GG Grandfather) on the 18 Jul 1876 in St Andrews Church, Grimsby, Lincolnshire, daughter of WILLIAM ELVIN and FRANCES WILKINSON. She was born 1857 in White Pit Swaby, Lincolnshire, and died 26 Aug 1935 in Grimsby Lincolnshire. Burial: 29 Aug 1935, Scartho Cemetery, Grimsby. Jane already had a daughter Emma (before she maried George) Emma was born 19 March 1875 at Grimsby, George was Lost at sea on the 'Olga' 06 Mar 1883.
On the 1891 Census Jane is living at 19 Sixhill Street, Grimsby with sons John aged 10 (my G Grandfather) and George aged 8, also William Spencer aged 49 Hawker Manchester.
On the 1901 Census Jane is married to Joseph Atkin who is 41 and a Stoker in Gas Works, born Thornton Abbey, Lincs and they are living at 19 Sixhill Street, Grimsby.
John and George Groves are down with surnames of Atkin. John aged 20 a Ship Fireman and George aged 17 a Saw Mill Labourer, also Elizabeth Overton a visitor aged 35 single and living on own means born Grimsby.
Jane then remarried 10 May 1896 Parish Church, Clee Grimsby to ALFRED HENRY PULLEN. This was a turbulent Marriage!!
Emma, Janes daughter, had a child Eva May Pullen Elvin born 1896 and died 6 July 1906, buried 10 July 1906 at Cleethorpes Municipal Cemetery, they lived at Victor Street.
If you require any further information please get in touch.
Best Wishes
Lynn Groves
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Hello Lynn
Thank you so much for the information, I did think I had a marriage to a Groves for her, but was not totally sure. So would I be right in thinking that the Emma with Francis is Jane's daughter Emma ?
My Line is through Thomas Elvin (Williams brother) and Sarah Conyers (daughter Ethel Elvin born 1883). Happy to share what I have if your interested.
Regards
Moo
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Hi LindsayC
William's brother Thomas born 19th November 1847 married 1870 to a Sarah Conyers and they had 11 children.
Checked 1881 Census - Frances and William - not with them.
Regards
Moo
I agree, but seems odd that Emma states her father's name as 'Tom'!
I've checked several family members who appear in the 1881 census, but can't find Frances or William anywhere.
Has anyone checked William's death record to see who registered it?
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Hello Moo,
Jane Newday Elvin born 1857 Christening: 01 Feb 1857, Parish Church Swaby was my Great Great Grandmother.
She married George Pettis Groves (my GG Grandfather) on the 18 Jul 1876 in St Andrews Church, Grimsby, Lincolnshire, daughter of WILLIAM ELVIN and FRANCES WILKINSON. She was born 1857 in White Pit Swaby, Lincolnshire, and died 26 Aug 1935 in Grimsby Lincolnshire. Burial: 29 Aug 1935, Scartho Cemetery, Grimsby. Jane already had a daughter Emma (before she maried George) Emma was born 19 March 1875 at Grimsby, George was Lost at sea on the 'Olga' 06 Mar 1883.
On the 1891 Census Jane is living at 19 Sixhill Street, Grimsby with sons John aged 10 (my G Grandfather) and George aged 8, also William Spencer aged 49 Hawker Manchester.
On the 1901 Census Jane is married to Joseph Atkin who is 41 and a Stoker in Gas Works, born Thornton Abbey, Lincs and they are living at 19 Sixhill Street, Grimsby.
John and George Groves are down with surnames of Atkin. John aged 20 a Ship Fireman and George aged 17 a Saw Mill Labourer, also Elizabeth Overton a visitor aged 35 single and living on own means born Grimsby.
Jane then remarried 10 May 1896 Parish Church, Clee Grimsby to ALFRED HENRY PULLEN. This was a turbulent Marriage!!
Emma, Janes daughter, had a child Eva May Pullen Elvin born 1896 and died 6 July 1906, buried 10 July 1906 at Cleethorpes Municipal Cemetery, they lived at Victor Street.
If you require any further information please get in touch.
Best Wishes
Lynn Groves
Thank you Lynn for all this!
The marriage record I got from Ancestry (England Select Marriages) that states Emma Elvin married Alfred Henry Pullen
is as follows:
Emma Elvin
Female
Age 20
birth date 1876
marriage date 1896
marriage place Clee, Lincoln,
father Tom Elvin
spouse Alfred Henry Pullen - spouse father Joseph Edward Pullen
FHL Film Number: 1450452
Ref. ID 2:3BW7QG7
I'm not saying this is right - but it's there!
Hello LindseyC
Williams parents were Thomas Elivn and Eliza Wilkinson Holloway married 1855.
Regards
Moo
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Hi Moo and Lindsey
Sorry it was Emma that Married Pullen. I was trying to type the info from Memory.
Jane re-married Joseph Ashton Atkin 25th March 1894 at Primitive Methodist Chapel, Hainton Avenue.
Joseph Ashton Atkin was born 1858 Thornton, Lincolnshire Son of William Atkin and Ann Ashton. Died 4th March 1942. Buried Scartho Cemetery.
I will dig all my info out sometime this week and message you. I am sure I have Frances Elvin on the 1881 Census but was not easy to find!! Her Husband William died 1884!
Lynn
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Thank you Lynn x
Regards Moo
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Hi Moo and Lindsey
Sorry it was Emma that Married Pullen. I was trying to type the info from Memory.
Jane re-married Joseph Ashton Atkin 25th March 1894 at Primitive Methodist Chapel, Hainton Avenue.
Joseph Ashton Atkin was born 1858 Thornton, Lincolnshire Son of William Atkin and Ann Ashton. Died 4th March 1942. Buried Scartho Cemetery.
I will dig all my info out sometime this week and message you. I am sure I have Frances Elvin on the 1881 Census but was not easy to find!! Her Husband William died 1884!
Lynn
Hi Lynn,
No worries! I couldn't possibly remember all the details of my tree from Memory! ;D Especially as my lot seem to have got up to all sorts :o ;)
Just to let you know - Thomas Elvin b 1809 is my partner's 3x Great-grandfather through his son John Edward Elvin. :)
Lindsey