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Hi all, a little while back we started some work on our family tree here in Australia. My great grandfather was Frank Brown, or so we thought. Turns out he was Ernest Mitchell born 02/06/1882 Birmingham, West Midlands. He had 10 siblings, William, George, Emily, Walter, Frederic, Herbert, Lillian, Mabel, Minnie and Maude. All born in St Leonards except William who was the eldest born in 1875 in Ninfield Sussex. His parents were Mary Ann Rachel Mitchell 1862 Brakland, Kent and father was Walter Mitchell 1853, Warburton, Sussex.
Any info appreciated
Wayne
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Hi and welcome to RootsChat :D
This appears to be the family you are referring to in 1891, but the census details do not match what you are saying. Where has your information come from?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4Z57-ZT2
Debra :)
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1901
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSJH-MD2
1911
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BN-KL5
It appears that Mary's maiden surname was VIDLER and the children were all registered in the district of Hastings.
Debra :)
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Welcome from me too :)
I agree with Debra that your starting information seems to have got a bit muddled. The Ernest in the St Leonards family was Ernest Charles Mitchell, mother’s maiden name Vidler, whose birth was registered Mar qtr 1891 St Leonards.
So if your Ernest was born in Birmingham in 1882, then he’s a different person. To help us to help you, can you tell us more about your Frank Brown, and why he is thought to have been born as Ernest Mitchell?
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Hi and welcome to RootsChat :D
This appears to be the family you are referring to in 1891, but the census details do not match what you are saying. Where has your information come from?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4Z57-ZT2
Debra :)
Info came from Ancestry.com
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This is what we have from Ancestry.com
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That looks like someone’s family tree research, which perhaps they have uploaded to Ancestry but that doesn’t make it reliable or correct. Unfortunately there’s a lot of mistaken family research online, and as we have seen it only takes a few minutes to demonstrate that the Ernest Mitchell who was part of the St Leonards family was not born in Birmingham in 1882.
I think you need to go back to the drawing board and take the research step by step, starting with what is known about Francis/Frank Brown in Australia and what evidence there is that he started life as Ernest Mitchell. If you can tell us more about Frank then we will be in a better position to help you with that.
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There is only one Ernest Mitchell born in Birmingham between 1880 and 1884:-
MITCHELL, ERNEST BERRY
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 47
And it looks as though he has died:-
Deaths Jun 1881
MITCHELL Ernest 0 Birmingham 6d 19
So as has been said, you will need to recheck your information regarding Frank Brown.
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There are two Frank Brown's born in Birmingham in 1882, one of whom appears to be illegitimate:-
BROWN, FRANK FLETCHER
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 5
BROWN, FRANK BAYLISS -
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 48
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It is the Hayles family tree.
(Contact the tree owner and ask where the information came from. Or not)
It has him born in 1892 in Birmingham, but living in Sussex in 1891 census, so definitely wrong.
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Thanks all for you replies. Appears we need to start again on the Frank Brown end.
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Ok, so I now have the Birth Certificate that my Great Grandfather Frank Brown had in his possessions. My Grandmother had been told by him that he was a merchant seaman who jumped ship in Port Kembla Harbour and somehow assumed the name Frank Brown. If anyone can shed some light on Ernest Mitchell or if it helps fill a gap in the family history for the Mitchells that would be great.
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OK good.
For some reason I can’t read the parents’ names very clearly- are they Walter Mitchell and Mary Ann Isobel? formerly Mitchell?
Sorry I now see you had them in your opening post - she is Mary Ann Rachel
I see the certificate was obtained in 1935 - do you know when he emigrated to Australia?
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Here they are in 1911, index details from Familysearch:
https://tinyurl.com/yacp3bp5 (link now shrunk)
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MITCHELL, WALTER WILLIAM mmn MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 741
MITCHELL, ESTHER mmn MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 314
MITCHELL, ELIZABETH mmn MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 06C Page 392 Order
MITCHELL, JANET ALICE mmn MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 06C Page 431
MITCHELL, ERNEST mmn MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 06C Page 373
MITCHELL, MARY ANN mmn MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in KINGS NORTON Volume 06C Page 410
MITCHELL, GEORGE GERALD mmn MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SOUTHWARK LONDON Volume 01D Page 97
MITCHELL, HAROLD mmn MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in ST. SAVIOUR SOUTHWARK LONDON Volume 01D Page 145
Jamjar
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His parents were Mary Ann Rachel Mitchell 1862 Brakland, Kent and father was Walter Mitchell 1853, Warburton, Sussex.
The names are right, but their birthplaces are not - see the census.
Walter Mitchell married Mary Ann Rachel Mitchell Mar qtr 1884 Pancras.
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Folk’s marriage:
Mar 1884 Pancras 1b 182
Mitchell Mary Ann R
Mitchell Walter
Jamjar
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Fuller details of the marriage:
St Peter, Regent Square
27 Jan 1884
Walter Mitchell 25 bach, letter sorter GPO, of 30 Regent Square. Father: William Mitchell, upholsterer, decd.
Mary Ann Rachel Mitchell spinster of 30 Regent Square. Father: Edward John Mitchell, compositor, decd.
Witnesses: Henry Collett; Janet Mitchell.
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His parents were Mary Ann Rachel Mitchell 1862 Brakland, Kent and father was Walter Mitchell 1853, Warburton, Sussex.
The names are right, but their birthplaces are not - see the census.
Walter Mitchell married Mary Ann Rachel Mitchell Mar qtr 1884 Pancras.
The birth cert above says Kings Norton, as does the GRO registration.
Jamjar
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Fuller details of the marriage:
St Peter, Regent Square
27 Jan 1884
Walter Mitchell 25 bach, letter sorter GPO, of 30 Regent Square. Father: William Mitchell, upholsterer, decd.
Mary Ann Rachel Mitchell spinster of 30 Regent Square. Father: Edward John Mitchell, compositor, decd.
Witnesses: Henry Collett; Janet Mitchell.
Same occupation on the 1911.
Jamjar
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His parents were Mary Ann Rachel Mitchell 1862 Brakland, Kent and father was Walter Mitchell 1853, Warburton, Sussex.
The names are right, but their birthplaces are not - see the census.
Walter Mitchell married Mary Ann Rachel Mitchell Mar qtr 1884 Pancras.
The birth cert above says Kings Norton, as does the GRO registration.
Jamjar
Yes, but I am talking about the parents’ birthplaces :)
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I see, I thought you were referring to the kiddies. ;D
The family on the 1901:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9HZ-HSV
Jamjar
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yeah the initial info gathered was not right but we do have this original copy of the birth certificate with his parents names Walter Mitchell and Mary Ann Rachel Mitchell. 82 Sherbourne Rd Balsall Heath.
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The 1891:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7Y6G-1PZ
Jamjar
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Mary Ann Rachel Mitchell lived a very long life; she died in Lewisham district on 7 October 1956, age recorded as 98; address 156 Glemfarg Rd, Catford.