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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: dickiemint on Thursday 09 August 18 12:28 BST (UK)
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Apologies if I am on the wrong Forum etc - newbie
I have a copy of a Birth Certificate of Mary Ellen (McKay?), b 28 Apr 1886. She was born in Throston Workhouse to Mary McKay (of West Hartlepool) - though the Fathers information is missing.
Mary Ellen (sometimes Helen!) married William Henderson, b 18 Jun 1879 in Sunderland. The Marriage Certificate shows her Father as William McKay (though spelt MacKay!).
Trying to obtain info on Mary McKay, when she married, maiden name etc
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated....
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Welcome to rootschat
Do you have Mary Ellen on census prior to her marriage.
If she was the Mary Ellen whose birth you have showing her as illegitimate then it is extremely likely that she invented a father when she married.
Should her birth be 1866, you are showing it as 1886 and her marriage as 1879
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Thanks for the welcome and reply.
I thought I had her on a Census prior to marriage but mistakenly had her mother, Catherine McEntee and father as William G McKay.
Then received the Birth Certificate to show her mother as Mary McKay with no Fathers details, which has thrown it all.
Interesting the illegitimate part you mention, I wouldn’t have thought of that. She does have him down as William MacKay (not McKay) and a Labourer on her Marriage Cert…
Birth is definitely 1886, I think I may have confused that bit - 1879 was the DOB of her husband William Henderson.
Marriage was 19 Aug 1903 in Stranton Hartlepool. Mistakes again perhaps, her age is 18 (not 17) and William Henderson shows as 22 (not 24)
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Who were the marriage witnesses
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I wonder if her mother Mary married Henry William Brown
Marriages Dec qtr 1888
McKay Mary
Brown Henry William
Hartlepool 10a 190
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1891 census - Streatham Street, Stranton
RG12 /4065 f40 p26
Henry W Brown 40 occ Dock Labourer bn Northallerton
Mary Brown 30 bn South Shields
Mary E Brown 5 bn West Hartlepool
Rachael E Brown 2 bn West Hartlepool
Birth reg for Rachel
BROWN, RACHEL ELIZABETH mmn MCKAY
GRO Reference: 1889 June Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 123
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Family still in Streatham Street in 1901 - I would think that 'Nelly' is Mary Ellen
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSCN-5JQ
including
Donald Mckay Brother-In-Law 28 West Hartlepool, Durham
Elizabeth Mckay Sister-In-Law 22 West Hartlepool, Durham
and 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWHF-L4Q
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1891 has a widowed Mary McKay age 55 :-\
RG12/4066 f94 p16
Rutland Terrace, Stranton
Mary McKay widow 55 Born Yorkshire
Ralph Harrison Son 33
Mary Harrison Dtr 21
Alice Harrison Dtr 18
Donald McKay Son 17
Rachael McKay Dtr 12
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1881 has Mary McKay (age 45) married to Robert McKay with a mixture of Harrison & McKay children
RG11 /4912 f51 p22
Split over two entries
Robert McKay age 61
Mary McKay Wife age 45
followed by
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q271-M9S8
ADDED
Don't know if I am now confused ::)
Ralph & Tamar Harrison's births both have mmn Collinson
Marriage Sep qtr 1877
Harrison Mary
McKay Robert
Darlington 10a 21
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I still need to find Mary McKay born c1861 South Shields, mother of Mary Ellen in 1881 and earlier.
The Henry William Brown marriage certificate may help :-\
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Thanks so much Rosie for your replies...
Don't have time tonight - prior engagement - but will look again tomorrow.
I had already looked at the Witnesses earlier today - on the Online view they are Flora Isabella Short and Henry Powell - who I think were/got married.
On the actual Copy of the Certificate they are shown as Thomas Armstrong and Jane Ann Davison..
Thank you again - will get back into it tomorrow....
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I had already looked at the Witnesses earlier today - on the Online view they are Flora Isabella Short and Henry Powell - who I think were/got married.
Freebmd shows that Flora Short and Henry Powell were the other couple whose marriage was registered under the same reference, not witnesses to the wedding. By 1903 the GRO reference would cover 2 marriages, when registration started in 1837 up to 4 marriages could have the same reference :)
Mary Helen/Ellen's sister Rachel (Brown) married Pounder Davison in 1907, perhaps Jane Ann Davison was a relation :-\
No panic for a reply, you will need time to check what I have suggested ;D
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Thank you again - I wondered why there appeared to be more names than I expected when checking Marriages...
You are right - Rachel Elizabeth Brown married Pounder Davison, they had a daughter, Eva Isabella b1908. When Rachel died in 1919 Eva was taken in by my grandparents Mary Ellen/Helen and William Henderson - not sure if they adopted her, always knew her as Aunt Eva. Jane Ann Davison was Pounder's sister
In a newspaper cutting when William Henderson died it states 'dearly beloved husband of Nellie (nee Brown)'. Just to confuse my issue
Really appreciate your assistance - thanks again Rosie
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I am glad that you can make the connection to Rachel, at least that proves that the Mary McKay/Brown marriage is right. I will leave you to see if there is anything more you want looking for, let us know if there is.
Rosie
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Much appreciate your help Rosie.. take care and perhaps catch you once again
Ian