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Title: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Friday 10 August 18 09:11 BST (UK)
I am virtually certain that James Kerr Boyle, born in Salford, Lancashire in 1872 and orphaned when he was 7 years old, emigrated from the UK to New Zealand around 1890.  He appears in the 1881 UK census, but not in 1891, when he would have been 19.

Ancestry shows me lots of entries for a James Kerr Boyle starting in the late 19th century.  It seems he married, and that he might have been in trouble with the police :).  But he seems to disappear after about 1910. 

To save me having to expand my Ancestry subscription to a global one just for this one fellow, I wonder if anyone can provide any more details about him?

Thanks!
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: TwiggyTree on Friday 10 August 18 12:04 BST (UK)
Do you know about the Family Search NZ passenger lists?

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Christine53 on Friday 10 August 18 12:21 BST (UK)
It looks like he went to Australia. There's a report in the newspaper dated 7 April 1914 that James Kerr Boyle , of no fixed abode and an inmate of the Kyneton Hospital , was among those listed as having tuberculosis and notified to the Kyneton Council :
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/129617653?searchTerm=%22james%20kerr%20boyle%22           
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 10 August 18 12:26 BST (UK)
Marriage in New Zealand 1895
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q24K-TPS7
Copy available through link


Baptism in New Zealand for son
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q24K-17R5
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 10 August 18 12:28 BST (UK)
Use this site...search....William Massey BOYLE..
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/

finds WW1 enlistment #76404...image 18 names father James Kerr BOYLE, born England (dec)
(at June 1917)

Kyneton Guardian 7 Apr 1914 p2   (newspaper Victoria, Australia)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/129617653?
….James Kerr BOYLE age 40 years TB patient at Kyneton Hospital...…

What names do you have for parents of James Kerr BOYLE?
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 10 August 18 13:14 BST (UK)
For your ref Wivebhoe.

BOYLE, JAMES  KERR, Mothers mn BROOME ***
GRO Reference: 1872  M Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 31

Siblings;

BOYLE, EDITH  MARY, Mothers mn BROOME**
GRO Reference: 1870  S Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 33
BOYLE, FLORENCE, Mothers mn BROOME***
GRO Reference: 1867  D Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 610

1881 Census
Christopher Ketteridge, 29
Betsy Ketteridge, 29
Martha Jane Ketteridge, 2
Mary Simley, 14
Florence Boyle, 13 Lodger
James Boyle, 8 Lodger
Richard Smith, 32
Emma Boyle, 46
Isabella Boyle, 39


1871 in Salford, Lancs;
 William M Boyle, 35
Sarah Boyle. 28
Florence Boyle, 3
Sydney Boyle, 2
Edith M Boyle, 9 Months
Mary Perry, 15

Marriage in Durham 1866;
William M Boyle
Sarah Broome

William Massey Boyle died 1879 age 44, Sarah Boyle 1879 also age 36.

I wonder if they both had TB also?
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Friday 10 August 18 14:40 BST (UK)
Well, thank you all for a wealth of information.

It seems James Kerr emigrated in 1893 ... so I'll have to have another look through the 1891 census.  He married and had a baby - William Massey Boyle - pretty quickly, by 1895.

This branch of the Boyles had quite a tragic story.  I first got interested in James Kerr Boyle, born 1803 (the grandfather of the James Kerr who emigrated.  The older James Kerr was a social activist in Manchester and a poet.  He and his wife died within 16 months of each other in 1843-5, leaving 4 young orphans, including William Massey Boyle.  This William Massey and his wife also died within 10 months of each other in 1879, also leaving 4 young orphans, one of which was the younger James Kerr.  One thing that puzzles me is that in the 1881 census, James Kerr and his older sister were living with Boyle aunts (Emma and Isabella); a brother, Sydney was living with his maternal grandfather, but the 4th child, Edith Mary, was in an orphanage.  Why?

The older William Massey died (if my memory is correct) from alcohol-related issues; his wife may have had TB, I can't recall.

At least the younger William Massey enjoyed a longer life - I see probate was proved in Auckland in 1979, so he died aged 83 or 84.

Thanks again
Tim
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 10 August 18 14:49 BST (UK)
Hi Tim, yes I followed up the children and wondered why Edith was not with Family also.
It certainly was a interesting Family to look at and quite a story you have untangled there.
Funnily I was born/grew up in New Zealand :)
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 10 August 18 15:03 BST (UK)
William Massey Boyle and Florence had 2 more children;
Gilbert 1898, died 1988 (birth 17 February 1898)
Arthur 1899, died 1989 (birth 17 June 1899)

So they lived a long life also :)

Likely Marriages;
1921/5137 Alice   Homer/ Arthur Boyle
1926/1437 Madge Milne/ Gilbert   Boyle
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Friday 10 August 18 15:11 BST (UK)
Thanks Trish ... that would be James Kerr and Florence.  Great info - thanks.

Reviewing their family tree, the short-lived paternal Boyles were:

Archibald, 1727-1770, died aged 43
James, 1769-1815, died aged 45
James Kerr, 1803-1845, died aged 42
William Massey, 1835-1879, died aged 43
James Kerr, 1872, to about 1916, died about age 44

So the younger William Massey, died aged 73, Gilbert, aged 90, and Arthur, aged 90, were very special!
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 10 August 18 15:12 BST (UK)
Yes they were :)
Not sure if you saw I went back and added Arthur/Gilberts Marriages.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Friday 10 August 18 15:26 BST (UK)
That's fantastic - thanks again.

Pity I hadn't got this far 2 years ago, ahead of my first, and so far only visit to NZ - I might have been able to located a few 5th or 6th cousins :)

OK, off to bed now (I live in Myanmar)

Cheers
Tim
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 10 August 18 16:02 BST (UK)
Looks as if James got himself in a spot of bother in 1902.......


https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19020206.2.24?page=2&phrase=2&query=james+kerr+boyle

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19020219.2.92?page=2&phrase=2&query=james+kerr+boyle


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 10 August 18 16:34 BST (UK)
Here is the will of Florence BOYLE executed in 1920. Mention made of James Kerr Boyle.......

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9PC-4KSC?i=189&wc=7HBW-LX1%3A1045247701%2C1579924203&cc=1865481


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 10 August 18 16:48 BST (UK)
Death registration:

1941/22416   Boyle   Florence   79Y

Newspaper death notice:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19410913.2.5?end_date=31-12-1941&query=florence+boyle&start_date=01-01-1941&title=ALG%2CAS%2CDSC%2CKWE%2CNZH%2CNZ%2CTO%2CPWT%2CROTWKG

Cemetery details:

Burial record for Florence Boyle
Date of birth
Unknown

Date of death
12 September 1941

Age at death
79 years

Gender
Female

Region
West

Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery

Plot location
Waikumete Cemetery, Anglican Division G, Row 1, Plot 116

Remains type
Body

Date of burial
13 September 1941

Funeral director
Watney Sibuns And Sons Limited


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 10 August 18 17:02 BST (UK)
Cenotaph record for William Massey BOYLE [includes gravestone plaque photograph].....

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C113851?n=william%20massey%20boyle&ordinal=0&from=%2Fwar-memorial%2Fonline-cenotaph%2Fsearch


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 10 August 18 17:07 BST (UK)
Cemetery details for William Massey Boyle & his wife:

BOYLE, WILLIAM MASSEY
Details   M: Died 25-06-1979: Aged 83:
Place   Waikaraka
Location   Block C Lot No 7
Remarks   SOLDIERS ASH CEMETERY Memorial Area transcribed inscription reads "76404 Dvr W M Boyle Army Service Corps died 25 -6 -1979 aged 84 yrs 1st NZEF."


BOYLE, JESSIE
Details   Died 07-02-1991: Aged 86:
Place   Waikaraka
Location   Area 1 Block ROW C Lot No 7
Remarks   ASHES: VETS


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 10 August 18 17:27 BST (UK)
A few snippets about Gilbert Boyle on this file......


http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE12317221


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 10 August 18 17:42 BST (UK)
Some more family details........

Marriage notice for William Massey Boyle [1925]….

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19250428.2.2.3?phrase=2&query=mrs.+f.+boyle


Florence Boyle celebrating her 70th birthday [1932]…..

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19320910.2.185.1?page=2&phrase=2&query=mrs.+f.+boyle


Engagement of Gilbert Boyle [1923]…..

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19230910.2.141?page=2&phrase=2&query=mrs.+f.+boyle&title=ALG%2CAS%2CDSC%2CKWE%2CNZH%2CNZ%2CTO%2CPWT%2CROTWKG

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Saturday 11 August 18 02:26 BST (UK)
Appeal made by Gilbert Boyle [1918]…

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19180502.2.95?page=2&phrase=2&query=gilbert+boyle&title=ALG%2CAS%2CDSC%2CKWE%2CNZH%2CNZ%2CTO%2CPWT%2CROTWKG
 
Birth of a son to Gilbert Boyle [1933]…..

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19330314.2.2?phrase=2&query=gilbert+boyle&title=ALG%2CAS%2CDSC%2CKWE%2CNZH%2CNZ%2CTO%2CPWT%2CROTWKG

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Saturday 11 August 18 05:35 BST (UK)
Purewa Cemetery details for Gilbert BOYLE & his wife.......

Surname   BOYLE
First Names   Gilbert
Age   90 Years
Gender   Male
Date of Death   26 Nov 1988
Religion   Anglican
Serial No   56076
Date of Service and/or Interment   30 Nov 1988
Type Of Service   
Funeral Director   Sibuns Funeral Advisors, 582 Remuera Road, Remuera, AUCKLAND
Ashes Disposal   Returned
Book Of Remembrance   No

Surname   BOYLE
First Names   Madge
Age   Unknown
Gender   Female
Date of Death   
Religion   
Serial No   26545
Date of Service and/or Interment   6 Jun 1974
Type Of Service   
Funeral Director   Sibuns Funeral Advisors, 582 Remuera Road, Remuera, AUCKLAND
Ashes Disposal   Returned
Book Of Remembrance   No

Her death registration:

1974/29199   Boyle   Madge   2 June 1896

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Saturday 11 August 18 05:47 BST (UK)
Purewa cemetery details:

Surname   BOYLE
First Names   Arthur
Age   90 Years
Gender   Male
Date of Death   28 Nov 1989
Religion   Anglican
Serial No   57756
Date of Service and/or Interment   2 Dec 1989
Type Of Service   
Funeral Director   W H Tongue & Son's, P O Box 8510, Symonds Street, AUCKLAND
Ashes Disposal   Returned
Book Of Remembrance   No


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Saturday 11 August 18 07:17 BST (UK)
It has been suggested that this was Arthur Boyle's marriage:

1921/5137   Alice   Homer   Arthur   Boyle

I have found this 1938  death notice:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19380704.2.2.4?page=3&phrase=2&query=arthur+boyle&title=ALG%2CAS%2CDSC%2CKWE%2CNZH%2CNZ%2CTO%2CPWT%2CROTWKG

His birth:

1916/2681   Homer   Charles   Alice   Charles William

Marriage of his parents:

1915/2589   Alice   Commons   Charles William   Homer

So if I am on the right track, the marriage of Alice to Arthur Boyle was her second marriage?

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Janette on Saturday 11 August 18 07:20 BST (UK)
Purewa cemetery details:

Surname   BOYLE
First Names   Arthur
Age   90 Years
Gender   Male
Date of Death   28 Nov 1989
Religion   Anglican
Serial No   57756
Date of Service and/or Interment   2 Dec 1989
Type Of Service   
Funeral Director   W H Tongue & Son's, P O Box 8510, Symonds Street, AUCKLAND
Ashes Disposal   Returned
Book Of Remembrance   No


Minniehaha.

FindMyPast has his last address as
Last residence   "22 Aratonga Court, Aratonga Ave.", Greenlane, Auckland

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Saturday 11 August 18 07:22 BST (UK)
Amazing, minehaha ... thanks so much for this avalanche of information. Today I am traveling so it will take me a while to digest all this!

Cheers
Tim
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Saturday 11 August 18 07:35 BST (UK)
Hi Trish, just a small correction to your reply #8......  ;)

Part quote-

"William Massey Boyle and Florence had 2 more children"

Here are those births showing the correct father-

1899/16369   Boyle   Arthur   Florence   James Kerr   -   
1895/18322   Boyle   William Massey   Florence   James Kerr   -   
1898/1329   Boyle   Gilbert   Florence   James Kerr


Minniehaha.  :)
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Saturday 11 August 18 07:45 BST (UK)
This may be the Cenotaph record for the above mentioned Charles, first husband of Alice Boyle?.....

Although I do note there is no mention of Alice, so maybe this is not the right person.

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C46211?n=charles%20%20william%20homer&ordinal=0&from=%2Fwar-memorial%2Fonline-cenotaph%2Fsearch


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 11 August 18 14:33 BST (UK)
Its a small world as my Father/Mother were living in Tuakau at the time of Charles Homer Boyles death 1938.

I am sure that it would not of been a large place then and likely my Parents knew the Boyles.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Sunday 12 August 18 11:42 BST (UK)
Well, again, thanks to all ... I've finally found some time to sit down and digest everything.  I attach a picture of the family tree as I see it.  I realise that there are probably living descendants of William Massey II, Gilbert and Arthur. (I just realised there is a typo - should be CHARLES Homer Boyle, 1916-38).

Focusing on two of the women ... Florence, who married James Kerr Boyle in 1894(?) was born Florence Ford in 1868, and married Richard Widdows in 1881.  They had 3 children, of whom 2 were still surviving in 1920 when Florence made her will - hence she had 5 surviving children at that time, 2 from her 1st marriage and 3 by her 2nd.

Alice Homer ... perhaps I am missing something, but I don't understand why minnehaha thinks she may have been married twice from the newspaper announcement of the death of Charles Homer Boyle.  Being the nephew of Mr. & Mrs Shields could mean they are Alice's sister and husband.  Also, since Charles Homer Boyle as born in 1916, and Charles William Homer died in Oct. 1917, that would have been an extremely unpatriotic affair!  Perhaps Charles William was Alice's brother?

What fun!
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: jorose on Sunday 12 August 18 16:28 BST (UK)
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19060620.2.83?items_per_page=100&query=%22James+Kerr+Boyle%22
 - in 1906 it seems he was going by "James B Burke"? Mentions two previous convictions - the one in 1902 and ???

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19040506.2.43?items_per_page=100&query=%22James+B+Burke%22
 - 1904, James B Burke aka Boyle convicted of forgery
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 12 August 18 20:40 BST (UK)
Part quote.....

"Alice Homer ... perhaps I am missing something, but I don't understand why minnehaha thinks she may have been married twice from the newspaper announcement of the death of Charles Homer Boyle"

A possible scenario?:

Starting with the death notice in 1938 for "Charles Homer BOYLE, son of Alice & Arthur, aged 22 years". Therefore his year of birth was about 1916.

There is no birth registration in New Zealand for Charles Homer BOYLE but there is one for a Charles HOMER in 1916, son of Alice & Charles William Homer who married 1915. These details shown in my post above.

Two deaths in 1918:

1918/9516   Homer   Charles William   35Y
1918/86833   Homer   Charles William   23Y

Alice HOMER may have remarried in 1921, to Arthur BOYLE[/b] and her new husband brought Charles Homer up as his own? However Charles may not have been legally adopted as is shown at his death registration-

1938/19535   Homer   Charles   22Y

[The Cenotaph details for a Charles William Homer are probably not connected to the above Alice Homer.]

N.B. The above information is only relevant if it relates to "your" Arthur BOYLE.

There are also two other marriage possibilities:

1920/11945   May   Ogg   Arthur   Boyle   
1923/9665   Mabel Muriel Andrews   Rankin   Arthur   Boyle

I will try & obtain the newspaper death notice for Arthur BOYLE in an attempt to settle to whom he was married.

Minniehaha
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 12 August 18 22:20 BST (UK)
Part quote:

"There are two other marriage possibilities:

1920/11945   May   Ogg   Arthur   Boyle   
1923/9665   Mabel Muriel Andrews   Rankin   Arthur   Boyle"


Death:

1977/44567   Boyle   May   10 March 1891

Divorce:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22644755


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 12 August 18 22:32 BST (UK)
Cemetery details for an Alice BOYLE........

Burial record for Alice Boyle

Date of birth
Unknown

Occupation
Retired

Date of death
12 September 1993

Age at death
93 years

Gender
Female

Region
West

Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery

Plot location
Waikumete Cemetery, Roman Catholic Lawn C, Row 6, Plot 46

Remains type
Body

Date of burial
15 September 1993

Funeral director
Davis Funeral Services Ltd

I'm hoping the death notice may help!

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 13 August 18 05:29 BST (UK)
Death notice for an Arthur BOYLE [1940] whose wife was Alice........

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19400926.2.5?end_date=31-12-1940&query=arthur+boyle&start_date=01-01-1940&title=ALG%2CAS%2CDSC%2CKWE%2CNZH%2CNZ%2CTO%2CPWT%2CROTWKG%2CKCC%2CMATREC%2COG%2CPAKIOM%2CTAN%2CTHA%2CTHS%2CWHDT%2CWAIGUS%2CWAIKIN%2CWT


So the Arthur BOYLE mentioned in Replies #30 & 22 is not "your" Arthur BOYLE........


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Monday 13 August 18 05:36 BST (UK)
Right - yes, a different person, so the Homer link is wrong.

Looking back at reply 22 I now understand what you were saying ... it's taken me a while to interpret the on-line records from NZ archives :)
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 13 August 18 06:11 BST (UK)
I am going to try and obtain some more of the death notices for you, possibly tomorrow.

Watch this space...... ;D


Minniehaha.

Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Monday 13 August 18 11:24 BST (UK)
Just trying to keep track of James Kerr Boyle's life of crime ...

I have three offences:

1902: 4 counts of forgery; sentence: 2 years hard labour
1904: Forging and attempting to defraud: 2 years, 6 months
1906: Obtaining funds under false pretenses: sentence: 6 months

Did anyone find any others?  But with these, it seems that as soon as he completed one sentence, he committed his next crime.  In her will, Florence observed in 1920 that her husband had not supported her or her family for 15 years - more like 18, I think, for the first three of which he was almost continuously in gaol.

I can imagine that, when he got out in early 1907, he may have decided to skip off to Australia, where he died of TB some 7-8 years later.  But did he continue to forge and to defraud there?
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 13 August 18 11:58 BST (UK)
The 1906 Police Gazette (page 112) notes only one prior conviction, and a sentence of 2.5 years; page 436 notes 5 priors and a sentence 6 months.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Monday 13 August 18 12:12 BST (UK)
Well he was attempting to pass himself off as James Burton Burke, so that could account for some discrepancies!

In trying to track him down in the 1891 UK census I even tried the Burton alias without success :)
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 14 August 18 05:43 BST (UK)
Hi,

Death notices for Gilbert BOYLE [1988] & William Massey BOYLE [1979] sent by PM..........

According to her death notice, the Alice BOYLE mentioned above who died on 12.9.1993 does not appear to be connected to Arthur Boyle.

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Tuesday 14 August 18 06:02 BST (UK)
Thanks, minniehaha - saw the PM.  And thanks for eliminating that Alice (also my mother's name)
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Wednesday 15 August 18 03:07 BST (UK)
trish1120 was wondering ... you might have forgotten by now  ;) ... how William Massey Boyle (the elder) and his wife, Sarah, died in 1879.  I have located their death certificates.

Sarah died on 5th January 1879, in Stockton, of haemorrhage from stomach (ulceration).  Interestingly, the informant was Wm. M. Boyle, present at the death, so if (as I speculated) there was a separation post-bankruptcy, it was not so serious as to prevent him attending her death-bed.

William died in Cheetham, Lancs. on 10th December 1879 of "Natural causes aggravated by drink".  I presume that he did not drink himself to death in the 11 months since his wife died - the bankruptcy a couple of years earlier would probably have contributed, but I wonder whether his profession - wine merchant - may also have been to blame!  There was an inquest, which seems a bit strange to me.

Cheers
Tim
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 15 August 18 13:27 BST (UK)
Thanks for the info Tim. Yes I did forget as I am often working on several things at once.

Trish :)
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 17 August 18 03:37 BST (UK)
Hi Tim,

I have the death notice for Arthur BOYLE.........

Can you PM your e-mail address please.


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 17 August 18 22:01 BST (UK)
Death notice sent.........

And for those of you who are interested, no, the name of a wife was not included.

My suggestion to Tim is that she may have been:

Marriage:

1923/9665  Mabel Muriel Andrews  Rankin  Arthur  Boyle

Divorced in 1950.


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Saturday 18 August 18 03:30 BST (UK)
I think this is Gilbert's son. Death notice for Gilbert BOYLE sent to you.

See Reply #19 re announcement of birth [1933].....

2002/182   Boyle   Robin Milnes   13 March 1933

Burial record for Robin Milnes Boyle
Date of birth
Unknown
Occupation
Rtd Commercial Artist
Date of death
25 December 2001
Age at death
68 years
Gender
Male
Region
West
Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery
Remains type
Ash
Date of cremation
27 December 2001
Funeral director
Battersby Funeral Services Ltd

Contact: You could try and obtain further family information from the funeral directors-

https://battersbyfuneralservices.co.nz/contact/

Divorce:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22723057

Probate:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=25251842

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Saturday 18 August 18 05:41 BST (UK)
Birth of a son* to Mr. & Mrs. W. M. BOYLE [1926]……

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19261020.2.3?end_date=31-12-1949&phrase=2&query=w.+m.+boyle&start_date=01-01-1925&title=ALG%2CAS%2CDSC%2CKWE%2CNZH%2CNZ%2CTO%2CPWT%2CROTWKG

*At the same address where they were living at the time of the death of William Massey BOYLE in 1979.

And the birth of a daughter [1928].....

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19280529.2.2?end_date=31-12-1949&phrase=2&query=29+beckenham&start_date=01-01-1927&title=ALG%2CAS%2CDSC%2CKWE%2CNZH%2CNZ%2CTO%2CPWT%2CROTWKG&type=ARTICLE

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: minniehaha on Saturday 18 August 18 09:34 BST (UK)
Two snippets from the London Gazette [1875] concerning William Massey BOYLE.....

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/24239/page/4275/data.pdf


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Fresh Fields on Tuesday 25 September 18 04:42 BST (UK)
I think this is Gilbert's son. Death notice for Gilbert BOYLE sent to you.

See Reply #19 re announcement of birth [1933].....

2002/182   Boyle   Robin Milnes   13 March 1933

Burial record for Robin Milnes Boyle
Date of birth
Unknown
Occupation
Rtd Commercial Artist
Date of death
25 December 2001
Age at death
68 years
Gender
Male
Region
West
Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery
Remains type
Ash
Date of cremation
27 December 2001
Funeral director
Battersby Funeral Services Ltd

Contact: You could try and obtain further family information from the funeral directors-

https://battersbyfuneralservices.co.nz/contact/

Divorce:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22723057

Probate:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=25251842

Minniehaha.


Hi.


Now have inhand photographed copies of the probate papers. [R 25251842]

Will forward if a private email address can be supplied by private message.


Re the divorce listing above, there is a red horozontal line that indicates that the file is restricted. The file being sealed to the general public for 100 years. [R22723057]


Like with marriage records I assumed it would be just 80 years, before becomming an "historic" record, but upon arrival was informed that the restriction is for 100 years. So a 1926 listing I had thought I would look up was unavailable also.


Alan.


Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Fresh Fields on Tuesday 25 September 18 10:34 BST (UK)
Twenty three images sent.

For me what has been interesting in this Archives lookup secession, was that in both cases registering for probate, was complicated by the fact that spelling and date errors, were found in the documents being submitted.


Each error having to be rectified before the next step could be undertaken.


Proving once again how important it is to carefully check legal documents before signing them.

Alan
Title: Re: James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
Post by: Timbottawa on Wednesday 26 September 18 12:38 BST (UK)
Thanks for sending all the photos, Alan. Haven’t made my way through them all yet