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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: Richardmj1955 on Saturday 11 August 18 00:54 BST (UK)
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Hi, I'm looking for details on my great-grandfather. He had two wives, first married to a Jane Powell (1865-1887) who died in India and later he married again as a missionary in India.
He was born on 13th June, 1859 to David and Mary Jones. Does anyone know if he had a brother (William?) and any details of his family?
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Welcome to RootsChat ;D
For starters, here is the 1911 census, from FamilySearch:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6T-HW7
(You have to register to see it, but FamilySearch is free to use!)
It's the only census where he is identified specifically.
I presume that, on other censuses he is simply John Jones?
Possible 1871 census, with a brother William:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5PT-Z7L
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Hello :)
there a a few mentions of John Pengwern Jones in a number of newspaper articles available free (Welsh Newspapers Online) http://newspapers.library.wales/home
There is a notice of his wife Jenny from cholera (I am assuming this is the Jane you mention) in January 1886?
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3171272/3171275/23/
This is a notice of his mothers death in 1906
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3378370/3378382/209/
Mar
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Hello :)
there a a few mentions of John Pengwern Jones in a number of newspaper articles available free (Welsh Newspapers Online) http://newspapers.library.wales/home
There is a notice of his wife Jenny from cholera (I am assuming this is the Jane you mention) in January 1886?
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3171272/3171275/23/
This is a notice of his mothers death in 1906
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3378370/3378382/209/
Mar
There's a large piece in Welsh on the death of his first wife on 4 Dec 1887. They had married the previous summer and by the sound of it not long arrived in India whn she was taken ill. She's described as the daughter of Mr. Powell, Lloegr Farm, Pontfaen, near Brecon
The Jones family aren't easy to trace. I think mother Mary is in Princess St Llangollen in 1891 & 1901, with daughter Jane (the obits for Mary Jones in 1906 mention Rev J Pengwern Jones has only one sister remaining). She looks to be alone in 1881. Can;t find any of them in 1861
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That definitely them in Princess St - Jane is on 1911 and the probate register as Jane Pengwern Jones
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Thanks for all the help.
So from what I gather, JP only had a sister named Jane, instead of a brother named William?
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Not necessarily. He only has a sister surviving when his mother dies in 1906, but that doesn't rule out there being other siblings who die before their mother. He appears to have brother William on 1871 in Pengwern (sister Jane absent).
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There was a Jane Pengwern Jones born in the 1850s, whose father was David Jones and mother Mary Williams, who ended up in Argentina. The problem it says is that her mother also died in Argentina.
Our Jones ancestors were not very original with their names. Too many named the same.
My dad's and my DNA test is also iffy as his father was supposedly adopted by JP Jones, but according to the family of his second wife, JP put it about and from what I can trace, my grandfather is actually related instead of merely being adopted.
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Jane Pengwern lives and dies in Llangollen at the same address as the mother of John Pengwern. Not sure who the Argentinians are!
In the obit of the second Mrs John Pengwern it mentions that she left a crowd of children behind, some of which were adopted
Another item mentions that John P is related to the Rev Hugh Davies - unhelpfully with no location to narrow down the options!
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The Liverpool Daily post (19 October 1940) has details of:
A Freehold Dwelling House
being number 23, Princess Street, Llangollen lately in the possession of Miss J. Pengwern Jones, deceased and contains kitchen, back kitchen and two bedrooms with out offices at rear. Water and lighting are installed.
Auctioned that month
Mar
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Have you read the entry for JPJ in this book?
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8rMKm-Ee1dYC&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&dq=%22john+pengwern+jones%22&source=bl&ots=QDMAHVLlWZ&sig=c35hfqJqjAmvBlrNzM-N9Uh2QTs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjm8umn1OXcAhUwM-wKHYDPCcYQ6AEwEHoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22john%20pengwern%20jones%22&f=false
Firstly he and the second Mrs Jones were living under the same roof before they married, and later allegations were made against him by some of the children, although he was exonerated
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Yes I did, and even spoke to the Brownlow family (2nd wife's). They told me he was putting it about and was forced to marry his second wife. They didn't have any kids. As for the girls, in another post, I read that he was set up or some sort. His 'son', my grandad was born in 1902. From the dna of my father, about 3/4th is from the British Isles, Anglo/Welsh and Irish (his mother being Irish), and a quarter is from South East Asia/China etc. Basically someone of Khasi/Assamese descent, which seems to match the narrative that he might have gotten a local pregnant and then adopted the child.
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Not sure if there is a family connection, so posting it to rule in/out
There is a marriage of Annie Pengwern Jones in 1914 in Carmarthen (age 25).
She gives her address as Rhospengwern, Llangollen, and her father David Jones (farmer)
Added: Marriage of Anna Jones in 1932 (born 1914) in India to Robert Dunne lists 'by adoption' John Pengwern Jones as her father
Mar