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I’m hoping someone may be able to help me trace which Annie Smith is my great grandmother. I have found a mixture of information about several possible Annie Smiths
This is the information I have about her:
She married William Markham Wright (born Wrangle 1868) on 12th May, 1892 at Marnham, Nottinghamshire. They were living in Skegby, Normanton at this time; her father is not named on the marriage certificate; one of the witnesses is Betsy Smith-possibly a sister.
In 1939 she is living in Mansfield Nottinghamshire and her dob is given as 19 November, 1871. Apparently there are 2 Annie Smiths registered for this time in Claypole but neither with this birth date. I have no contact with this side of the family as my grandfather died long before I was born and I no longer live in the area. I am also confused as another Annie Smith appears to have been born at a similar time in the area where she was married.
William and Annie Wright’s children include
Alice b 1892
Miriam Annie b 1894
John William b 1896
Thomas Richard b 1897
Ernest b 1899
Arthur Herbert b1839
Elsie b 1903
Leonard Markham b1909
Thank you for any help
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I’m hoping someone may be able to help me trace which Annie Smith is my great grandmother. I have found a mixture of information about several possible Annie Smiths
This is the information I have about her:
She married William Markham Wright (born Wrangle 1868) on 12th May, 1892 at Marnham, Nottinghamshire.
They were living in Skegby, Normanton at this time; her father is not named on the marriage certificate; one of the witnesses is Betsy Smith-possibly a sister.
In 1939 she is living in Mansfield Nottinghamshire and her dob is given as 19 November, 1871.
Apparently there are 2 Annie Smiths registered for this time in Claypole but neither with this birth date.
I am also confused as another Annie Smith appears to have been born at a similar time in the area where she was married.
Hello and welcome to Rootschat :)
As there is no father's name on her marriage certificate that could mean she was illegitmate
As to the two birth's registered in Newark (Claypole is in this reg district) they appear to have the same reference numbers - was she entered twice :-\
Given her dob she would have been registered in the December quarter looking at GRO indexes there is no mother's maiden name it's left blank - again indicating that this person is illegitimate
SMITH, ANNIE -
1871 D Quarter in THE NEWARK UNION Volume 07B Page 337
SMITH, ANNIE -
1871 D Quarter in THE NEWARK UNION Volume 07B Page 337
Could it be that the witness Betsy Smith may have been her mother
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William and Annie Wright’s children include
Alice b 1892
Miriam Annie b 1894
John William b 1896
Thomas Richard b 1897
Ernest b 1899
Arthur Herbert b1839
Elsie b 1903
Leonard Markham b1909
For anyone else looking I've given the reference for the 1901 census
RG13; Piece: 3141; Folio: 79; Page: 22
Annie’s birth is transcribed as Wormington Nottinghamshire on 1901census and
Claypole Newark, Nottinghamshire on latest
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Here's an entry on 1881 census for an Annie Smith with her sibling Betsy Smith their mother Charlotte Smith is noted as unmarried
1881 RG11; Piece: 3304; Folio: 56; Page: 1 - Village Street
Charlotte Smith 31 Balderton, Nottinghamshire charwoman
Annie Smith 10 Balderton, Nottinghamshire
Betsey Smith 6 Balderton, Nottinghamshire
Thomas Smith 3 Marnham, Nottinghamshire
1871 RG10; Piece: 3540; Folio: 28; Page: 4 - head household Thomas Morris
Charlotte Smith 23 Balderton, Nottinghamshire servant
ADDED - this appears to be Charlotte on later censuses
1891 RG12; Piece: 2642; Folio: 50; Page: 8
Charlotte Smith 43 single Balderton, Nottinghamshire
Kate Smith 9 Normanton on Trent, Nottinghamshire
John Smith3 Normanton on Trent, Nottinghamshire
1901 RG13; Piece: 3123; Folio: 57; Page: 11 – The Village
Charlotte Parkin Smith 53 S Balderton, Nottinghamshire monthly nurse
Kate Smith dau 19 Normanton on , Nottinghamshire
John Smith son 13 Normanton on Trent, Nottinghamshire
Ernest Smith Gd son 4 months
Charlotte's surname is Smith on original census the person above is named Charlotte Parkin
Possibly Ernest birth entry from GRO indexes again no mother's maiden name - might be son of Kate
SMITH, ERNEST -
1901 M Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 19
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Thank you. This is some of the confusing mix of information I too have come across.
Initially I found an Annie Smith on an 1881 census as a daughter of Francis and Ann Smith shown as born at Claypole but living in Newark (there was a workhouse at Claypole).
The 2 registered births you noted have different mothers - Charlotte and Emily- also in this household and old enough to have children so I therefore wondered if Francis and Ann were actually her grandparents. My instincts tend to go towards Charlotte as she is found in Marnham.
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I think 1901 looks more like Normanton, I can’t find a place called Wormington, Notts.
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I agree
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Interestingly Charlotte Parkin turns up in 1911 Census in Mansfield where Annie is living.
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I think 1901 looks more like Normanton, I can’t find a place called Wormington, Notts.
I agree too :)
I added two census entries for Charlotte Smith 1891/1901 and the 1851 census has
this entry
1851 HO107; Piece: 2138; Folio: 42; Page: 14;
Willm Smith 46
Mary Smith 46
Sarah Smith 22
Thos Smith 17
Joseph Smith 14
Betsy Smith dau 8
Robert Smith gdson 7
Sarah Ann Smith gddau 2
Charlotte Smith granddaughter 18 Mo Balderton, Nottinghamshire
possible birth entry from GRO again no mmn
SMITH, CHARLOTTE -
1849 J Quarter in OF THE NEWARK UNION Volume 15 Page 613
I haven't yet looked on GRO for birth entries for
Betsey Smith, Thomas Smith, Kate Smith & John Smith
to see if the mmn has been left blank
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Interestingly Charlotte Parkin turns up in 1911 Census in Mansfield where Annie is living.
1901 census was wrongly transcribed for Charlotte Smith - I had added it to a pervious post
but here it is again
1901 RG13; Piece: 3123; Folio: 57; Page: 11 – The Village
Charlotte Parkin Smith 53 S Balderton, Nottinghamshire monthly nurse
Kate Smith dau 19 Normanton on , Nottinghamshire
John Smith son 13 Normanton on Trent, Nottinghamshire
Ernest Smith Gd son 4 months
Charlotte's surname is Smith not Parkin on original census the person above is named Charlotte Parkin
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Could Annie Smith be the same person in the 2 separate 1881 census entries I have found? (One with Francis in Newark and the other with Charlotte)
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Could Annie Smith be the same person in the 2 separate 1881 census entries I have found?
(One with Francis in Newark and the other with Charlotte)
Trying to work through censuses for Francis & Ann Smith with dau Ann bn c1872
and dau Charlotte bn c1851
1881
Francis Smith 54
Ann Smith 53
George Smith 21
Thomas Smith 15
Jessie Smith 11
Annie Smith 9 Claypole Lincolnshire
1871
Francis Smith 44
Ann Smith 43
Christopher Smith 15
Mary Smith 13
George Smith 11
Richard Smith 9
Lizzie Smith 7
Jan Smith 5
Jessee Smith 1
1871 RG10; Piece: 3541; Folio: 85; Page: 7
Charlotte Smith 20 Newark, Nottinghamshire, England boarder
1861
Francis Smith 34
Ann Smith 33
James Smith 13
Charlotte Smith 10 Newark, Nottinghamshire
Emily Smith 8
Christophe Smith 6
Mary Smith 4
George Smith 1
James Smith 52
SMITH, CHRISTOPHER mnn ALDRIDGE
1855 J Quarter in THE NEWARK UNION Volume 07B Page 289
1851
Francis Smith 24
Ann Smith 24
Sarah Smith 7
James Smith 2
Charlotte Smith 2 Mo
Charlotte SMITH mmn ALDRIDGE
1851 M Quarter in THE NEWARK UNION Volume 15 Page 624
1841 Newark marriage entry
names on same page
Francis Smith & Ann Aldridge
I think their daughter Charlotte Smith bn c 1851 may marry a Joseph Corah and can be found on
1881 census RG11; Piece: 3377; Folio: 14; Page: 22
Joseph Corah 32
Charlotte Corah 30 Newark, Nottinghamshire
you would need confirmation of her m/c to confirm father's name is Francis
Charlotte Corah
1885 Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 34
Newark Volume: 7b Page: 214
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Thank s. This is new to me so will investigate
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Looks like the Corahs live next door to Francis and Ann Smith according to1881 census
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Interestingly Charlotte Parkin turns up in 1911 Census in Mansfield where Annie is living.
1901 census was wrongly transcribed for Charlotte Smith - I had added it to a pervious post
but here it is again
1901 RG13; Piece: 3123; Folio: 57; Page: 11 – The Village
Charlotte Parkin Smith 53 S Balderton, Nottinghamshire monthly nurse
Kate Smith dau 19 Normanton on , Nottinghamshire
John Smith son 13 Normanton on Trent, Nottinghamshire
Ernest Smith Gd son 4 months
Charlotte's surname is Smith not Parkin on original census the person above is named Charlotte Parkin
These look to be the birth entries of Kate & John on GRO indexes again no mmn given
SMITH, KATE -
1881 D Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 21
SMITH, JOHN -
1887 S Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 16
GRO indexes free to search but you do need to register
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
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Oh yes there they are I didn't look at the original.........
I can't find any entries on GRO indexes for birth c1871 of Annie Smith mmn Aldridge, only the two 1871 entries with the same vol & page number with mmn left blank but I did find Francis & Ann's son Jesse
SMITH, JESSE mmn ALDRIDGE
1869 S Quarter in NEWARK Volume 07B Page 314
Edit
You can order birth certificates form GRO and receive them as a PDF
Applications for PDF’s cost £6, must be made online and include a GRO index reference
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They were unable to process my application for Annie’s birth and refunded my money
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They were unable to process my application for Annie’s birth and refunded my money
??? Did they give a reason?
1892 marriage certificate you have for Annie Smith with her father’s name left blank
Does it give her age?
Does it give an address for Annie?
Does she have an occupation?
Did Annie & Betsey Smith sign their names?
Who was the other witness?
Re: Betsey SMITH the witness difficult need to try and establish if she’s her sister or some other relative
so will try and see if I can find any more on this Betsey
1881 RG11; Piece: 3304; Folio: 56; Page: 1 - Village Street
Charlotte Smith 31 Balderton, Nottinghamshire charwoman
Annie Smith 10 Balderton, Nottinghamshire
Betsey Smith 6 Balderton, Nottinghamshire
Thomas Smith 3 Marnham, Nottinghamshire
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I'm thinking that this probably the birth entry on GRO indexes for the above Betsey Smith born c1875 Balderton, Nottinghamshire
SMITH, BETSY -
1874 S Quarter in RADFORD Volume 07B Page 231
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1891 c I think she's a servant - Head of household Ann Rhodes
RG12; Piece: 2642; Folio: 60; Page: 9
Betsy Smith 16 Balderton, Nottinghamshire
Residence Place: Marnham, Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England
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Probably Retford
Annie is 21 on marriage certificate, spinster, no profession and living in Skegby. I only have a copy from GRO. Other witness is her husband’ s brother John Thomas Wright
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Maybe hit Report to Moderator who can move it....
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Probably Retford
Annie is 21 on marriage certificate, spinster, no profession and living in Skegby. I only have a copy from GRO. Other witness is her husband’ s brother John Thomas Wright
So no other clues to go on :-\
1891 c I think she's a servant - Head of household Ann Rhodes
RG12; Piece: 2642; Folio: 60; Page: 9
Betsy Smith 16 Balderton, Nottinghamshire
Residence Place: Marnham, Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England
for info. - this looks to be the Betsy from 1891 census above
posting info. in case it does turn out to be Annie's sister as there is no firm evidence
other than a Betsy Smith witnesses Annie Smith's marriage
and there is an
Annie & Betsy Smith siblings with their unmarried mother Charlotte Smith together on the census
there’s no fathers name recorded on Annie’s m/c - would suggest illegitimate
on census with husband Annies birth place is given as
Annie Wright bn c1872 Claypole Newmarket Lincolnshire
Annie Wright bn c1872 Normanton Nottinghamshire
1901 RG13; Piece: 3182; Folio: 152; Page: 1
Thomas Falconbridge27
Betsy Falconbridge 26 Balderson, Nottinghamshire
1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWS4-L6Q
they have children Evelyn 1910, Harold 1907 & Thomas 1906
FAULCONBRIDGE, EVELYN mmn SMITH
1910 J Quarter in BASFORD Volume 07B Page 270
Betsy Faulconbridge Death Age: 63
Sep 1938 NottinghamVolume: 7b Page: 310
If Betsy Smith signed her name on Annie's marriage certificate the only thing I can think of is if you obtain this Betsy Smith's m/c to see if the signatures matched but it is a long shot.........
Sep 1899
FALCONBRIDGE Thomas E. Retford 7b 23
SMITH Betsy E. Retford 7b 23
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You could try looking to see if there’s an Annie Smith bn c 1872 Nottingham/Lincolnshire daughter with an unmarried mother called Betsy/Elizabeth Smith on 1881 census
See reply 1 for possible birth entry 1872 Newark Annie Smith - no mmn on GRO
See reply 3 for possible 1881 census entry Annie bn c1871 Balderton, Nottinghamshire & Betsy Smith as siblings, single mother Charlotte Smith bn c1850
See reply 11 for 1881 census for an Annie Smith bn 1872 parents Francis & Ann, they also have a dau named Charlotte bn c1850 Balderton, Nottinghamshire (see 1851 c) but Charlotte isnot with the family in 1881 - I think this Charlotte may have married a Joseph Corah
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Thought I'd recheck as you gave Annie Wright nee Smith’s dob from 1939 register as
19 November, 1871 – so she was probably registered in December quarter 1871 or possibly March quarter 1872
These are the only Annie Smith’s that show on FreeBMD searching Nottingham
Dec 1871 – Mar 1872
Dec 1871
Smith Annie E. Retford 7b 16
Smith Annie Newark 7b 337
Smith Annie Newark 7b 337
Mar 1872
SMITH Annie Nottingham 7b 262
And these are the corresponding entries on GRO indexes
SMITH, ANNIE mmn WHITLAM
1871 D Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 16
SMITH, ANNIE - (Blank)
1871 D Quarter in THE NEWARK UNION Volume 07B Page 337
SMITH, ANNIE - (Blank)
1871 D Quarter in THE NEWARK UNION Volume 07B Page 337
SMITH, ANNIE mmn SAVAGER
1872 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 262
FreeBMD has these marriage entries
Mar 1871
Smith Edwin E. Retford 7b 5
Whitlam Ellen E. Retford 7b 5
1881 Edwin and Ellen are living in Yorkshire with their dau Annie and her siblings, she doesn't appear to have a sibling named Betsy/Elizabeth
RG11; Piece: 4654; Folio: 67; Page: 41
Edwin Smith 35
Ellen Smith 31
Annie Smith 9 East Retford, Nottinghamshire
Alice Smith 8
William Smith 6
Jane Smith 2
Charles Smith
Annie Smith is still with parents in Sheffield
1891 her pob East Retford and 1901 her pob is dittoed as Sheffield
Dec 1860
Lane Sarah Nottingham 7b 312
Savager Agnes Nottingham 7b 312
Smith Joseph Nottingham 7b 312
Stanley Joseph Nottingham 7b 312
1881 Annie Smith & siblings with their parents Joseph & Agnes in Nottingham, doesn't appear to have a sister named Betsy/Elizabeth
RG11; Piece: 3357; Folio: 66; Page: 36;
Joseph Smith 41
Agnes Smith 37
John Smith 18
Agnes Smith 16
Joseph Smith 14
George Smith 12
Ann Smith 10 Nottinghamshire, England
Esther Smith 7
Mary Savager 66
William Savager 69
1891 Ann Smith 19 Nottinghamshire, England is with her sister Esther 17
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Just had another thought could she have been registered as just ANN rather than Annie Smith
deleted as they were marriages rather than births ::)
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Christening for Annie Smith illegitimate child at Claypole on 5 Dec 1871 mother Charlotte abode was Newark Union Workhouse, found on the freereg site
GRO index Dec 1871 Newark 7b pg 337.
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As a newcomer to Rootschat I have been impressed and delighted in how helpful people are. Thank you.
Most of the findings have given me confidence in my own research skills as most info has duplicated my own research and it seemed like I had come to a standstill with the two Newark and the E.Retford Annies who all seem to be illegitimate.
Following other people's train of thought has however opened up ideas for other pathways that could be investigated e.g. looking at possible family links in a broader way, trying to find out if any of the families we are focusing on are related.... I have not really travelled back along the Smith line in the Newark area as there seemed to be such a lot of them!
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Christening for Annie Smith illegitimate child at Claypole on 5 Dec 1871
mother Charlotte abode was Newark Union Workhouse, found on the freereg site
GRO index Dec 1871 Newark 7b pg 337.
Good find nottsgirl and also on the same day bp 05 Dec 1871
Anne Smith illegitimate dau of Emily Smith Newark Union Workhouse
(Emily could be dau of Francis & Ann Smith see 1861 census)
1853 bp Emily dau of Francis & Ann on FreeReg and of course she had a sister
1851 bp Charlotte dau of Francis & Ann "
jlewis57 - have you looked for or ruled out this Emily with a daughter Anne bn c1871?
As a newcomer to Rootschat I have been impressed and delighted in how helpful people are. Thank you.
Most of the findings have given me confidence in my own research skills as most info has duplicated my own research and it seemed like I had come to a standstill with the two Newark and the E.Retford Annies who all seem to be illegitimate.
Following other people's train of thought has however opened up ideas for other pathways that could be investigated e.g. looking at possible family links in a broader way, trying to find out if any of the families we are focusing on are related.... I have not really travelled back along the Smith line in the Newark area as there seemed to be such a lot of them!
You are welcome :)
If at any time you need further assistance please come back and do not hesitate to ask
Here's the link for FreeReg in case you don't have it https://www.freereg.org.uk/
You will also find on FreeReg the following
1849 bp Charlotte Smith dau Sarah Smith –(Sarah dau of William & Mary see 1851 census)
1876 bp of Betsey dau of Charlotte Smith
1878 bp of Thomas son of Charlotte Smith
1882 bp of Kate dau of Charlotte Smith
1887 bp of John son of Charlotte Smith
1899 marriage of Betsy Smith to Thomas Falconbridge (unfortunately no father's or witnesses
named)
1901 bp of Charlotte's grandson Ernest Smith son of Kate Smith (see 1901 census)
Good luck with your continued research
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b]05 Dec 1871[/b]
Anne Smith illegitimate dau of Emily Smith Newark Union Workhouse
Thank you Ladyhawk.
Yes I saw the one with an Emily Smith on familysearch but don't you think it odd that there is two christening on same day and same abode? Think some one needs to look on the actual parish records.
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I have looked at Emily briefly in the past but maybe need to take another look at her. I have concentrated on Charlotte more because of the links that came up in the Marnham area where my great grandfather was working.
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Hi,
I've had a look at the actual parish records on the Lincs to the past web site and it has both christenings for Annie Smith daughter of Charlotte and one for daughter of Emily. Maybe Emily and Charlotte were sister's or cousins.
It may be why the GRO was unable to send you the birth certificate because there was 2 Annie's born and didn't know which one was the right one for you.
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That’s right. I got this far and then wasn’t sure what to do next. The GRO didn’t have an Annie Smith with 19 November 1871 as a dob (I realise this may not necessarily be exact).
The Smith family I had originally thought were her parents(Francis and Ann in Newark) have both Charlotte and Emily for daughters who would be old enough to be mothers. My feelings were that perhaps the Marnham Smiths were relations.
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Balderton, St Giles baptisms
bap.17 Sep 1876 born 8 Feb 1875 Betsey dau of Charlotte Smith labourer abode Balderton
bap. 15 Sep 1878 born 12 Aug 1877 Thomas son of Charlotte Smith servant abode Balderton
25 May 1849 Charlotte dau Sarah Smith single woman abode Balderton
9 Jan 1848 George ( as above)
31 Jan 1844 Robert ( ditto)
14 Nov 1852 John ( ditto)
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Balderton, St Giles baptisms
bap.17 Sep 1876 born 8 Feb 1875 Betsey dau of Charlotte Smith labourer abode Balderton
bap. 15 Sep 1878 born 12 Aug 1877 Thomas son of Charlotte Smith servant abode Balderton
25 May 1849 Charlotte dau Sarah Smith single woman abode Balderton
9 Jan 1848 George ( as above)
31 Jan 1844 Robert ( ditto)
14 Nov 1852 John ( ditto)
some of the detail above I posted from FreeReg and gave the link for OP to check after nottsgirl posted these details
Annie Smith illegitimate child at Claypole on 5 Dec 1871
mother Charlotte abode was Newark Union Workhouse, found on the freereg site GRO index Dec 1871 Newark 7b pg 337.
Larkspur what are your thoughts on this being the same Charlotte, Betsy & Thomas Smith on 1881c (Posted previously reply 3)
RG11; Piece: 3304; Folio: 56; Page: 1 - Village Street
Charlotte Smith 31 Balderton, Nottinghamshire charwoman
Annie Smith 10 Balderton, Nottinghamshire
Betsey Smith 6 Balderton, Nottinghamshire
Thomas Smith 3 Marnham, Nottinghamshire
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How likely do you think it would be for two sisters baptizing their children on exactly the same date and both name their daughters Annie & Anne
I've had a look at the actual parish records on the Lincs to the past web site and it has both christenings for Annie Smith daughter of Charlotte and one for daughter of Emily.
Maybe Emily and Charlotte were sister's or cousins.
It may be why the GRO was unable to send you the birth certificate because there was 2 Annie's born and didn't know which one was the right one for you.
You mentioned previously you thought that Annie Smith age 9 Claypole on 1881 census (with parents Francis & Ann) perhaps should have been noted as their Granddaughter
Could it be that this Annie Smith on 1881c is the daughter of Emily Smith and it’s got confusing as she has a sister named Charlotte bn c1851
Looked at all Francis & Ann's children from 1851 – 1881 census and their birth entries on GRO indexes confirm that their mmn ALDRIDGE there is NO entry on GRO indexes for an Anne/Annie Smith 1871/72 with mother’s maiden name Aldridge that I can spot, so your theory of her being a grandaughter of Francis & Ann looks feasible
Their daughter Charlotte Smith appears to have married in Sheffield 1872 to a Joseph Corah (as previously mentioned m/c would confirm father's name)
and she can be found with her husband on 1881 census living next door Francis & Ann Smith (most likely her parents) and of course Annie Smith age 9 Claypole
Charlotte & Jospeh Corah had one son Thomas
CORAH, THOMAS mmn SMITH
1885 S Quarter in NEWARK Volume 07B Page 427
Thomas Corah died age 4 Dec 1889 Newark
and it looks as if his mother Charlotte possibly died during or soon after childbirth
Charlotte Corah Age at Death: 34
Jul-Aug-Sep 1885 Newark Volume: 7b Page: 214
Haven't done an extensive search for Francis & Ann's dau Emily
This might be her on 1871 census
RG10; Piece: 3542; Folio: 57; Page: 24
Robert B Tresham 39
Sara Tresham 29
Percy Robt Tresham 5
Florence Tresham 3
Elizabeth Mary Tresham 2
Emily Smith 18 Newark servant
Mary Gibson 50
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One thing I did forgot to add is that Emily Smith had a sister Lizzie age 7 she's on 1871 census with parents Francis & Ann, perhaps she was known to the family as Betsy Smith
SMITH, ELIZABETH mmn ALDRIDGE
1864 J Quarter in NEWARK Volume 07B Page 310
She appears to have married in 1895 Newark to Frederick Stamper and is on 1901 census as Elizabeth with husband Frederick, son Arthur & father Frank (Frank is a common diminutive for Francis)
RG13; Piece: 3198; Folio: 141; Page: 7
Frederick Stamper 34
Elizabeth Stamper 38
Arthur Stamper 5
Frank Smith 74
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"some of the detail above I posted from FreeReg and gave the link for OP to check after nottsgirl posted these details"
must go to specsavers 8)
I did not see the dates and details I posted, really must pay more attention.
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Just been reminding myself of all the information we have discussed over the last few days alongside my earlier research. Lady hawk mentions Charlotte Parkin changed to Smith in reply #9. I have a reference to a Charlotte Parkin with the same family of Smiths in the 1911 census. I think they were in Mansfield which is where Annie and her husband were now living.
Also reply #11 about Charlotte Corah - I had found her previously but did anyone find when she married Joseph Corah?
Still trying to find more about Emily.
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1851 HO107/2138/42 p14
18 month old Charlotte living with her grandparents. Hope no one else has posted this- I did check, but then I do appear to be going blind!
1861 RG 9/2481/35/ p 35
1871 RG10/3540/28 p 4
Ladyhawk I do think the 1881 posted above is the same Charlotte.
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Funny. Just looking at this Charlotte on the 1851 census and thinking this sounds a good possibility. Balderton is very near Claypole. Wondering whether her mother is Sarah or if there are any older daughters in the family
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Did give her baptism earlier. Reply number 32. Yay I am not the only one Ladyhawk :o
"Balderton, St Giles baptisms
bap.17 Sep 1876 born 8 Feb 1875 Betsey dau of Charlotte Smith labourer abode Balderton
bap. 15 Sep 1878 born 12 Aug 1877 Thomas son of Charlotte Smith servant abode Balderton
25 May 1849 Charlotte dau Sarah Smith single woman abode Balderton
9 Jan 1848 George ( as above)
31 Jan 1844 Robert ( ditto)
14 Nov 1852 John ( ditto)"
Edit- George buried Balderton 19 Oct 1849 aged 1 3/4
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1851 1851 HO107/2138/42 p14
18 month old Charlotte living with her grandparents.
Hope no one else has posted this- I did check, but then I do appear to be going blind!
It was posted previously :o but easy to miss as it was at the beginning of the thread at
Reply 8
1851 HO107; Piece: 2138; Folio: 42; Page: 14;
Willm Smith 46
Mary Smith 46
Sarah Smith 22
Thos Smith 17
Joseph Smith 14
Betsy Smith dau 8
Robert Smith gdson 7
Sarah Ann Smith gddau 2
Charlotte Smith granddaughter 18 Mo Balderton, Nottinghamshire
possible birth entry from GRO again no mmn
SMITH, CHARLOTTE -
1849 J Quarter in OF THE NEWARK UNION Volume 15 Page 613
The above 1849 Mar/Apr/May 1849 birth entry ties in with the baptism posted for Charlotte
"25 May 1849 Charlotte dau Sarah Smith single woman abode Balderton"
and her possible mother Sarah dau of William & Mary
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Also reply #11 about Charlotte Corah - I had found her previously but did anyone find when she married Joseph Corah?
Yes I did but not the full entry on FreeBMD it was in 1872 Sheffield
Reply 11
I think their daughter Charlotte Smith bn c 1851 may marry a Joseph Corah and can be found on
1881 census RG11; Piece: 3377; Folio: 14; Page: 22
Joseph Corah 32
Charlotte Corah 30 Newark, Nottinghamshire
you would need confirmation of her m/c to confirm father's name is Francis
and
reply 34
Charlotte Smith appears to have married in Sheffield 1872 a Joseph Corah
(as previously mentioned m/c would confirm father's name)
I've checked Sheffield Indexers but the marriage is not transcribed there
Here's the entry from FreeBMD
Jun 1872
BOWN Charles Sheffield 9c 362
Corah Joseph Sheffield 9c 362
Downey William Wentworth Sheffield 9c 362
IBBETT Elizabeth Matilda Sheffield 9c 362
Smith Charlotte Sheffield 9c 362
also checked familysearch but it only gives above details
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DLF-8N6
I have a reference to a Charlotte Parkin with the same family of Smiths in the 1911 census.
I think they were in Mansfield which is where Annie and her husband were now living.
Here's the 1911 entry from family search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWSS-JMQ
Charlotte Parkin 65 Balderton Newark
Kate Smith 29 Normanton Newark
Ernest Smith 10 Mansfield Newark
Lesley Smith 6 Mansfield Newark
1901 census entry - going to recheck as I may have made an error in saying her surname should have been Smith rather than Parkin on original
1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSNF-47Z
The Village
Charlotte Parkin Head 55 Balderton, Nottinghamshire
Kate Smith Daughter 19 Normanton On Trent, Nottinghamshire
John Smith Son 13 Normanton On Trent, Nottinghamshire
Ernest Smith Grand Son Male 0 Normanton On Trent, Nottinghamshire
Bpt was previously posted
Ernest SMITH 10 Feb 1901 Nottinghamshire Normanton on Trent : St Matthew
mother Kate Smith
I rechecked 1901c
::) mixed it up with 1891 census where there is a Joseph Parkin snr. & Charlotte Parkin & living next door is Charlotte Smith single with dau Kate & son John RG13; Piece: 3123; Folio: 57; Page: 11
and here's a possible marriage entry for Charlotte Smith
Sep 1895
Cobb Harriett E. Retford 7b 47
Hollingsworth Joseph E. Retford 7b 47
Parkin Joseph E. Retford 7b 47
Smith Charlotte E. Retford 7b 47
I'm wondering if Joseph Parkin is the son of Joseph Parkin Snr. & Charlotte as there's also a
Joseph Parkin Jnr on the same 1901 census with his wife and family
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Charlotte is Sarah’s daughter. The other granddaughter belongs to a sibling. Not got access to this evidence at mo
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Jun 1872
BOWN Charles Sheffield 9c 362
Corah Joseph Sheffield 9c 362
Downey William Wentworth Sheffield 9c 362
IBBETT Elizabeth Matilda Sheffield 9c 362
Smith Charlotte Sheffield 9c 362
Thanks. Found the reference this afternoon and will follow it up in the hope
of eliminating this Charlotte
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Just to let you know that the marriage certificate for Charlotte and Joseph Corah shows her father to be Francis Smith, so hopefully this rules her out as Annie’s mother.
I think the Balderton-born Charlotte is the most likely as there seems to be several coincidences, including moving to Mansfield where the married Annie is living. She is Charlotte Parkin at this stage after a short marriage to a neighbour in Normanton.
I haven’t got very far investigating the movements of the other Annie Smith who lives with Francis and Ann as their daughter in 1881 or her possible mother Emily in the hope that I can be nearer 100% certain
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Francis and Ann Smith baptised 11 children in Newark. No Annie. James, Charlotte ( ( Feb 1851), Emily (3 Apr 1853), Christopher, Mary, George, Richard, Tom, Elizabeth, Jesse and Millicent. Father was a labourer on all the baptisms.
Just in case we haven't mentioned this one....
Balderton
born 11 Dec 1852 baptised 19 Dec 1852 Charlotte dau of John & Charlotte Smith basketmaker abode "travellers"
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Yes I remember seeing these “travellers” but didn’t follow it up. At present I have a Charlotte in the 1851 census living in Balderton with her grandparents William and Mary Smith. Her mother is Sarah, unmarried and living at the same address. Charlotte’s dob is 25th May, 1849.