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Title: Thomas Cross
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 12 August 18 15:40 BST (UK)

In 1851 Wrexham I have this family.
All the children I found on the GRO have mmn as Williams.
I can`t find a marriage and the David Hughes is confusing me. Of course he might have been married to one  of Thomas`s sisters.
 If they married before 1837 they would have been quite young.
 The only one I can find is on Family search but it takes you to FindMyPast  , what a swizz !
Thomas Cross   Baptism   18 Dec 1817  Wrexham

Can anyone help please.

1851
Thomas Cross 33 Currier b Wrexham
Margaret  30 dressmaker b Bala
Charles 8 b  Wxm
Eliza  ( Elizabeth/)6 b Wxm
Edwin Alfred  son 1 b Wxm
David Hughes W bro in law 18 Ruthin

Thomas died in 1882 aged 63

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: dragonT on Sunday 12 August 18 16:10 BST (UK)

Baptism Wrexham 18 Dec 1817 - Thomas son of John & Elizabeth Cross, Abbot Street, Joiner

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 12 August 18 16:40 BST (UK)

Thanks
In 1861 there is a Charles  Cross b Wxm  in Abbot Street,  he is  46 and a joiner and carpenter,  he has a son  John. I wonder if he is a brother to Thomas.
Unless Thomas had more children before the ones from 1851 he didn`t  name any of them  John.

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 12 August 18 17:20 BST (UK)

I have found an obit from 1883

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4589484/4589489/34/

Sadly no info on wife's background but it does note very long link with Penybryn Chapel, which may be a useful pointer

Also spotted this - which raises questions!

18th September 1858  - Wrexham and Denbighshire Advertiser and Cheshire Shropshire and North Wales Register

TWENTY POUNDS REWARD.
WHEREAS, some evil disposed person or persons have been circulating a report affecting the character of Mr. THOMAS CROSS. of Abbot-street and Hope Street, Wrexham, and another person. Notice is hereby Given, that whoever will give such information to the aforesaid Thomas Cross, as shall lead to the detection and punishment of the author, or authors of such report, shall receive the above reward. Any person circulating such report after this notice will be prosecuted.

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: dragonT on Sunday 12 August 18 17:38 BST (UK)

Baptism Wrexham 18 Apr 1813 - Charles son of John & Elizabeth Cross, Wrexham Abbot, Taylor.

Also - Wrexham 12 May 1821 - Mary dau of John & Elizabeth Cross, Abbot Street, Publican
Wrexham 11 Jun 1823 - Elizabeth dau of John & Elizabeth Cross, Wellington Tavern, Abbot Street, Innkeeper.

There was also - birth 9 May, baptism 11 Jun 1806, Eliz. base (dau) of John Cross & Eliz. Davies.

For children of Thomas Cross and Margaret I can find the following baptisms (all Wrexham):
Emily Jane - 7 Feb 1862 - dau of Thomas & Margaret Eliza Cross, Vicarage Hill, Currier
Thomas Henry - 8 Jun 1862 - son of Thomas & Margaret Cross, Mount Street, Currier.
Thomas Henry - 18 Dec 1863 - son of Thomas & Margaret Cross, Fairfield, Currier.
 but nothing earlier (in Denbighshire).

Thomas Henry Cross, Mount Street, Inf. buried 3 Apr 1863, Wrexham.

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 12 August 18 18:11 BST (UK)

FindMyPast marriage (image/transcription)
Thomas Cross, bachelor, currier and Margaret Williams, spinster married St Mary's on the Hill, City of Chester, 18 Sep 1836. Both of that parish. Witnesses Catherine Cowap (?) and John Hughes

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 12 August 18 19:14 BST (UK)

Thanks, I have found him in the papers quite  a lot, but not spotted the obit.
 I had thought he was non conformist but this confirms it.

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 13 August 18 14:28 BST (UK)

 Thanks for the help,
 I am now looking at his son  Charles  but he married Sarah Jones ::) from Wrexham .  Can anyone help me with these details.

Cross Charles  born 1850  married   1871  I think it may be the  Cheshire Marriage Licence Bonds And Allegations .

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: dragonT on Monday 13 August 18 15:00 BST (UK)

There is a Charles Cross baptised 16 May 1850 - base son of Martha Cross, Poor House.

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: dragonT on Monday 13 August 18 15:12 BST (UK)

The marriage certificate shows the marriage at St. John Chester on 10 Mar 1871 of Charles Cross, 28, b, Currier & Tanner of Regent Road, Wrexham, son of Thomas Cross, Tanner to Sarah Jones, 21, s, Bold Square, dau of Edward Jones, Tailor. Both signed, the witnesses were Walker Preece Jones & John Robertson.

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 13 August 18 16:25 BST (UK)

thank you so much, that`s him. so many Jones !

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 13 August 18 19:00 BST (UK)

Small obit - bottom left hand corner

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4591012/4591017/35/

Quote from: dragonT on Monday 13 August 18 15:12 BST (UK)

The marriage certificate shows the marriage at St. John Chester on 10 Mar 1871 of Charles Cross, 28, b, Currier & Tanner of Regent Road, Wrexham, son of Thomas Cross, Tanner to Sarah Jones, 21, s, Bold Square, dau of Edward Jones, Tailor. Both signed, the witnesses were Walker Preece Jones & John Robertson.

Think that could be Walter Preece Jones (b London c1846) He's in Bold Square, Chester in 1871 (as a journalist/reporter) and later in Rhyl as an agent/money lender.

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 13 August 18 19:07 BST (UK)

This looksl ike a possible for Sarah in wrexham Fechan, 1851

All b Wrexham
    
Edward Jones    32 - tailor
Janes Jones    34
Hannah Jones    14
William Jones    10
Mary Jones    6
Edward Jones    5
Maria Jane Jones    3
Sarah Jones    1

HO107, 2503, 460, 9

Title: Re: Thomas Cross
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 13 August 18 20:09 BST (UK)

thanks for the obit, I missed that .