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Title: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: jordan1977 on Monday 13 August 18 12:04 BST (UK)
Eliza Rutty married Herbert Alfred Smith on 27 Oct 1898 in Pewsey, Wiltshire.   Herbert died in 1904.  On 30 Jul 1904 an Eliza Smith (widow) marries George Cleverly (Cleverley) in Wilsford, Wiltshire.So far so good.  On the 1911 census George and Eliza can be found in nearby North Newton with three children, Percy born 1895, Frank born 1897 and Margery born 1899. On the 1911 census George has recorded that they have been married 7 years which fits in with their marriage in 1904. 

On checking the births of the children (and an older child Hester born 1892) they are all registered with the surname Cleverly/Cleverley, motherís name Smith. So are they Georgeís children or not? Was Eliza having children by George before and during her marriage to Herbert or is there another family I have got confused with.
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: PaulineJ on Monday 13 August 18 12:10 BST (UK)
I can't find the 1911 that you refer to?
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 13 August 18 12:11 BST (UK)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X725-B5V

George Cleverley 36   Manningford, Wiltshire
Eliza Cleverley   39   Market Lavington
Percy William Cleverley   16   Manningford, Wiltshire
Frank Valintine Cleverley   14   Manningford, Wiltshire
Marjorie Ellen Cleverley   12   Manningford, Wiltshire





Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 13 August 18 12:15 BST (UK)
The family you mention in 1911 (posted above) can be found in 1901
RG13
Piece 1946
Folio   71
Page   11

George   Cleverley   26   bn    Manningford Bohune
Eliza   Cleverley      25   bn    Rushall, Wiltshire
Hester 8   
Percy W   6   
Frank V   4   
Marjorie
Isaac C   Smith   Boarder   18   bn Wilts
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: PaulineJ on Monday 13 August 18 12:17 BST (UK)
Children's MMN should be Rutty, not Smith. (if you have got you facts right)

What names appear for parents/witnesses at each marriage?


Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: avm228 on Monday 13 August 18 12:20 BST (UK)
Hester Ann Cleverley, mmn Smith, birth reg Mar qtr 1893 Pewsey
Percy William Cleverley, mmn Smith, birth reg Mar qtr 1895 Pewsey.
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 13 August 18 12:22 BST (UK)
1901 has Eliza with Herbert Smith
Herbert A   Smith 23   bn Rushall, Wiltshire
Eliza   Smith   28   bn Market Lavington, Wiltshire

RG13
Piece 1926
Folio   99
Page   31


The 'other Eliza' in 1901
George   Cleverley   26   bn    Manningford Bohune
Eliza   Cleverley      25   bn    Rushall, Wiltshire
Hester 8   
Percy W   6   
Frank V   4   
Marjorie
Isaac C   Smith   Boarder   18   bn Wiltshire
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: suzard on Monday 13 August 18 12:27 BST (UK)
George Cleverley married Eliza Edna Smith1892
She was buried29April 1904 age 28
George Cleverley then married widow Eliza Smith (nee Rutty)
full details to follow

Suz
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: suzard on Monday 13 August 18 12:36 BST (UK)
Marriage All Saints Manningford Bohune
17 Dec 1892
George Cleverly 18 Bachelor labourer of Manningford Bohune father William Cleverley labourer
Eliza Eddna Smith spinster 17 of Manningford Bohune father Herbert Smith labourer

witnesses Christopher Cleverley Justina Neale Smith

Burial All Saints Manningford Bohune age 28 Eliza Cleverley 29 April 1904

Marriage Al Saints Manningford Bohune
30 July 1904
George Cleverley widower 29 labourer father William Cleverley labourer
Eliza Smith widow 32 father Robert Rutty asylum attendant
witnesses Christopher & Priscilla Cleverley

so it seems the children were of the first Eliza

Suz
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 13 August 18 12:37 BST (UK)
That is good Suz it ties it all in nicely  ;D
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: jordan1977 on Monday 13 August 18 12:47 BST (UK)
So if I have this right, George Cleverly married an Eliza Smith, spinster age 17, in 1892. They had four children and then she died in 1904.  In July 1904 he married an Eliza Smith, widow, and it is them who can be found on the 1911 census.

It didnít help that both Elizas were born in the same year.

Thank you to all who have responded and solved my query.



Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: suzard on Monday 13 August 18 12:53 BST (UK)
I am just wondering if Eliza Rutty Smith who married George Cleverley was the widow of George's first wife Eliza's brother - so Eliza Rutty may have married her sister in laws widower
Just checking some things -back shortly

Suz
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: suzard on Monday 13 August 18 12:58 BST (UK)
Look at this
1891
Manningford Bohune
Herbert A Smith Head widower 39 ag lab Enford
ELIZA daughter 15 Housekeeper Rushall
HERBERT A son 13 Ploughboy Rushall
Sarah E daughter 11
Isaac C son 8
John Osland? Lodger W 75 ag lab Manninford Bohune

back shortly

Suz
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: jordan1977 on Monday 13 August 18 13:12 BST (UK)
On the 1901 census with George and Eliza No 1 is an Isaac Smith age 18. He must be Elizaís brother and it ties in with Suzardís lat post.
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: suzard on Monday 13 August 18 13:12 BST (UK)
Marriage Parish Church Manningford Bohune
22 Oct 1898
Herbert Alfred Smith 21 Bachelor labourer father Herbert Alfred Smith occ labourer
Eliza Rutty 24? Spinster father Robert Rutty master of Devizes Lunatic Asylum
witness George Sawyer & Sarah Sawyer? difficult to read

I really think this is Eliza Smith -George Cleverley's first wife's brother
Correct age correct father

So Eliza Rutty /smith who became George Cleverley's wife would become  stepmother to her nieces and nephews

Suz
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: suzard on Monday 13 August 18 13:24 BST (UK)
I can't find any Cleverly /Rutty birth regs - so am assuming if the cleverly children are in your tree then the mother is Eliza Smith not Rutty

Opinions please

Suz
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: avm228 on Monday 13 August 18 14:02 BST (UK)
I can't find any Cleverly /Rutty birth regs - so am assuming if the cleverly children are in your tree then the mother is Eliza Smith not Rutty

Opinions please

Suz

I agree - Eliza nee Rutty didnít have any children (and indeed says so  :) ).  Canít see any post-1911 either.
Title: Re: Cleverly/Rutty/Smith
Post by: jordan1977 on Monday 13 August 18 15:42 BST (UK)
The mother of the four children must be Eliza Eddna (nee Smith), the first wife.  If you check the General Register Office online site, the births all show Smith as the motherís maiden name.