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Title: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Cawbom on Monday 13 August 18 20:00 BST (UK)
Hi all,

I am currently in the process of doing my family tree with the hopes of finding more information about my great grandfathers.

Few questions to ask with some possible pointers if you would all be so kind...

It's highly fascinating for me as Arthur George Pope 8200 fought and died in WW1 for the British army and my other great grandfather fought and was wounded in WW1 for the German army. I have relatives on both sides of the war which I would love to know more about.

1) military information for both? Best places to look? I have found snippets on AG Pope but have nothing for Vinzent (Vincent Bombera) where could I find things about him? Not being fluent in German does not help..

2) how do I find out more about Bombera’s in Germany? It's a very rare name with no clear origin. Vinzent was born in Nakel? Which I think is now Poland but was Prussia? My grandad Bruno was born in Berlin and said his grandmother had a pub there? But have no idea of a name or maiden name or anything... of real interest to me would be my grandads siblings. He was one of 5 but didn't let a lot of information go to us. His oldest sibling may have died after being hit by a tram? His brother moved to poland, His sister stayed in Germany and his youngest sister (had a funny face which we believe to be down syndrome) and was reported to have died from pneumonia... a victim of experimentation perhaps?? So many questions regarding that side so any German expertise would be amazing even if it was just to put names to them.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Cory
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Radcliff on Monday 13 August 18 22:46 BST (UK)
he perhaps appears on a certain site
as Vinzent Bombera
German world war 1 casualty list
21/08/1917
some kind of letters and Ratel Bromberg
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Radcliff on Monday 13 August 18 22:54 BST (UK)
was he still there in 1940
the only one listed in Berlin is
Vincent Monteur Bombera
occupation Monteur think thats mechanic
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Cawbom on Tuesday 14 August 18 07:27 BST (UK)
As far as I am aware he would of been in Berlin yes. Do you know if it says how he was wounded? Or where or is ratel Bromberg a location?
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 14 August 18 07:46 BST (UK)
Cawborn - make another post so that I can send you a Personal Message - I have found a familytree with 2 Bombera members and the tree owner is German - BUT - he only speaks German
 :)
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 14 August 18 07:52 BST (UK)
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?country__0__=&country__1__=&country__2__=&country__3__=&country__4__=&exact_day=&exact_month=&exact_year=&from=&go=1&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&nom=bombera&page=1&place__0__=&place__1__=&place__2__=&place__3__=&place__4__=&prenom=&prenom_operateur=or&region__0__=&region__1__=&region__2__=&region__3__=&region__4__=&size=10&subregion__0__=&subregion__1__=&subregion__2__=&subregion__3__=&subregion__4__=&to=&type_periode=between&zonegeo__0__=&zonegeo__1__=&zonegeo__2__=&zonegeo__3__=&zonegeo__4__=
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 14 August 18 08:52 BST (UK)
a Google result for Bromberg it  is a city otherwise known as Bydgoszcz in the province of Posen up untill 1918
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 14 August 18 09:17 BST (UK)
a Google result for Bromberg it  is a city otherwise known as Bydgoszcz in the province of Posen up untill 1918
is that Germany / Poland or Ukraine now ??
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 14 August 18 09:31 BST (UK)
Poland
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 14 August 18 09:44 BST (UK)
On Polishroots.com
there is no Bombera in the surnames list - but the surname BOMBA states German and Polish roots :)
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 14 August 18 09:46 BST (UK)
I have found a winderful resource with original copies of documents for Bydgoszcz
ha but I can't read most of them what year was your Ggrandad born roughly will do
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 14 August 18 09:49 BST (UK)
here is the email for the archive admin they may be able to give you more hints
admin@bydgoszcz.ap..gov.pl
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 14 August 18 10:02 BST (UK)
Genealogia w Archiwach website,
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 14 August 18 12:29 BST (UK)
In case you don't know this Arthur George died at Courcelles-le-Comte France 21/8/18.
The objective was to take the German forward trenches around the railway which they did.
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Cawbom on Tuesday 14 August 18 13:03 BST (UK)
In case you don't know this Arthur George died at Courcelles-les-Comte France 21/8/18.
The objective was to take the German forward trenches around the railway which they did.

Fantastic I have been doing research and was given co-ordinates of where he died so this might help me to pinpoint the spot where he died.

I know he also made a career out of being in the army, not just a WW1 soldier, I also understand he was wounded on more than one occasion during the war. would anyone know where i could possibly find out what he did in the army prior to ww1 and what wounds he had during the war?
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Cawbom on Tuesday 14 August 18 13:09 BST (UK)
I have found a winderful resource with original copies of documents for Bydgoszcz
ha but I can't read most of them what year was your Ggrandad born roughly will do

My grandad was Bruno Bombera and he was born in Berlin on 09/09/1923. But have no idea of the age of Vincent unfortunately...

Also my grandad had brothers and sisters all born in Berlin, where could i find out their birth records or would WW2 scupper that?
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Cawbom on Tuesday 14 August 18 13:10 BST (UK)
On Polishroots.com
there is no Bombera in the surnames list - but the surname BOMBA states German and Polish roots :)

this is my problem there seems to be very little Bombera's around anywhere to find anything out...
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Cawbom on Tuesday 14 August 18 13:12 BST (UK)
here is the email for the archive admin they may be able to give you more hints
admin@bydgoszcz.ap..gov.pl

Thanks i will have a look, and ask them if not i know my wifes uncle is half german and fluent so he might be able to help me.
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 14 August 18 13:58 BST (UK)
His service number gives an attestation date of 1906.
Squares A10 & A16 on this map.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101465146
Recent history was that this whole area was in British hands & had been since the Somme.
During the spring & summer of 1918 the Germans launched Operation Michael & the British lost all they had gained.
This action was part of the British offensive to regain that ground.
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Cawbom on Tuesday 14 August 18 14:03 BST (UK)
His service number gives an attestation date of 1906.

Any idea where I might find out where he served etc..
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 14 August 18 14:21 BST (UK)
There won't be much pre-war but after 4/8/14 the war diaries are the place to look.
What you don't know is when he moved from the 1st. Batt. to the 7th.
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Cawbom on Tuesday 14 August 18 15:35 BST (UK)
There won't be much pre-war but after 4/8/14 the war diaries are the place to look.
What you don't know is when he moved from the 1st. Batt. to the 7th.

ok cool, i have got the war diaries for the 7th battalion so it would be worth me getting the ones for the 1st as well then. Just a lot of handwriting to try and decipher!!
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 14 August 18 15:42 BST (UK)
The first will give you the details surrounding the Mons Offensive & the withdrawal to the Aisne & the Arne.
This is where these men earned the name "the old contemptibles"
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Cawbom on Tuesday 14 August 18 16:35 BST (UK)
The first will give you the details surrounding the Mons Offensive & the withdrawal to the Aisne & the Arne.
This is where these men earned the name "the old contemptibles"

The old contemptibles? What is the meaning of this?
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 14 August 18 16:45 BST (UK)
The original BEF consisted of just 390,000 men. They were up against a considerably larger German Army.
When they arrived in France the Keiser referred to them as a contemptible little army.
This was seized upon back home & made good propaganda.
The men wore it like a badge of honour & thereafter were known as the old contemptibles.
The German commanders in the field had a lot more respect.
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: davecapps on Tuesday 14 August 18 17:00 BST (UK)
how do I find out more about Bombera’s in Germany? It's a very rare name with no clear origin. Vinzent was born in Nakel? Which I think is now Poland but was Prussia?
Cory

Hi
when researching in Poland use polish names. Nakel is - Nakło nad Notecią
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakło_nad_Notecią

Herés a link to the Posen project.
http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/index.php?lang=en#prettyPhoto

If you search for Bombera you´ll get 1 hit in Naklo (not yours)

Here are the record scans for Naklo
https://www.genealogiawarchiwach.pl/archiwum-front?locale=en#query.city=Nak%25C5%2582o&query.suggestion=false&query.thumbnails=false&query.facet=true&query.sortMode=DEFAULT&goComments=false&searcher=big&query.query

As far as i can see they range from the end of the 19 century up to approx 1911

There´s quite a lot and not knowing German will not help.

category: Akta zgonów - Deaths
category: Akta małżeństw - marriages
category: Akta urodzeń - births

To open a record file click on the small landscape icon, top left

Regards
Dave
Title: Re: Serjeant Arthur George Pope and Vinzent Bombera
Post by: Cawbom on Tuesday 14 August 18 19:42 BST (UK)
Wow this genealogy is incredibly hard!!
I have found out that Vincent Bombera was born in 1888 in nakel and his wife was zophia. They were buried in Zloto?