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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: maggie.mae on Monday 13 August 18 23:14 BST (UK)
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Evening all.
Could someone help me find a marriage/death of this lady, please? Her parents were Charlotte Tuckwood and Edward/Edwin Carrington. On the 1911 census it says that Charlotte and Edwin have no living children. They had 2 children, John born 1873, he died 1876. and Charlotte born 1883. I've tried to find a death but no luck.
Many thanks
Maggie
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I’m not seeing a Carrington birth reg with mmn Tuckwood in or around 1883 ???
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Edwin and Charlotte Carrington don’t (in the last census) claim to have had more than one child - so that would presumably be John Edwin, who as you say died young.
It is certainly puzzling that in 1891 and 1901 they list a daughter Charlotte, who doesn’t appear to have a birth registration. Perhaps she was (informally) adopted, and her BMD entries are under another name? She’s a decade or so older than their niece Charlotte Tuckwood who turns up later, so not her.
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Many thanks. I thought it was me!! I got the "1883" from the censuses. I guess I will have to take a chance and send for her birth cert with just the parents named.
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a possible answer
Birth
Charlotte Tuckwood
March 1882
Nottingham
mmn Ball
Parents marriage
John Tuckwood
Ruth Ball
September 1860
Nottingham
Death of mother
Ruth Tuckwood
December 1883
Nottingham
aged 41
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Burial 14 Jun 1882 Charlotte Tuckwood aged 5m abode Independent Hill buried at Nottingham St Mary.
7 Nov 1883 Ruth Tuckwood aged 41 abode Independent Hill buried St Catherine.
John and Ruth also baptised in 1880 Eliza Jane and Annie, father was a cordwainer and abode 27 Independent Hill.
Seems this Charlotte died at only 5 months old. Sorry Comberton.
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Thanks everyone.
Maggie
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Found a marriage to a Bernard Scothern March q.1927 in Nottingham.....which made her 44yrs. One son, Stanley 1928.
Possibility? Stanley is on the 1939 register as an evacuee in Southwell Nottingham with the Stanfield family. But no Charlotte.
Maggie ???
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Don’t know if there’s a connection Posting due surnames carrington/tuckwood
Lottie Carrington TUCKWOOD Baptism 17 Sep 1889 Nottinghamshire Sneinton : St Alban
Birth date 10 Dec 1882
Baptism date 17 Sep 1889
Lottie Carrington
Father Charles
Mother Eliza
Father surname TUCKWOOD
Person abode Clarence St
Father occupation Smith
Haven’t checked census for this couple there is this marriage
Place Sneinton
Church name St Stephen
Marriage 24 Apr 1875
Groom Charles
Groom TUCKWOOD
Bride Eliza Ann
Bride BROOKSBY
Details of both records From Freereg
EDIT
Charlotte Carrington nee Tuckwood married to Edwin did she perhaps have a brother named Charles?
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Her birth was registered as plain Lotty Tuckwood - so was 'Carrington' added at baptism as gesture towards Edwin and Charlotte? Her parents had a number of children including an Edwin b.1890.
I can't seem to find Charles and Eliza Tuckwood on 1891 census to establish whether 'Lottie' was with them or not.
Well spotted, Ladyhawk - feel sure that Lottie is the Charlotte with Edwin and Charlotte.
Would have thought any marriage would be in her legal name of Tuckwood.
Annette
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1901 census which would match the marriage entry this Charles' occ Cycle fitter :-\
RG10; Piece: 3522; Folio: 48; Page: 4
Charles Tuckwood 46
Eliza Tuckwood 44
Katherine Tuckwood 16
Edith Tuckwood 15
Walter Tuckwood 12
Edwin Tuckwood 10
Charles Tuckwood 8
Claude Tuckwood 4
Rosa Tuckwood 2
Maria Brooksby 47
added
Church name St Stephen
Baptism date 12 Dec 1887
Edith
Father Charles
Mother Eliza Ann
Father TUCKWOOD
Person abode 8 Beaumont Pl
Father occupation Screwmaker
also daughter Kate was baptized on 12 Dec 1887 same details parents etc...
freereg
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Hello Ladyhawk.
Yes you are correct. That is the brother to my Grt,Grt G'father. In 1891, Charlotte (Lottie) is with Charlotte and Edwin aged 8yrs as in 1901 aged 18yrs. Was Lottie born illegitimately to one of Charles's children and Charlotte adopted her.?
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Now heres a thing!!
Lotty Tuckwood 1883 March q. Notts 7b/301
Charlotte Tuckwood 1882 March q. Notts 7b/371
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Hello Ladyhawk.
Yes you are correct. That is the brother to my Grt,Grt G'father. In 1891, Charlotte (Lottie) is with Charlotte and Edwin aged 8yrs as in 1901 aged 18yrs. Was Lottie born illegitimately to one of Charles's children and Charlotte adopted her.?
Charles only married in 1875; his children were not old enough to become parents themselves in 1883. It looks as though Lotty was a legitimate daughter of Charles and Eliza, but for one reason or another was brought up mostly by Edwin and Charlotte (were they her uncle and aunt?) whose only son had died.
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Now heres a thing!!
Lotty Tuckwood 1883 March q. Notts 7b/301
Charlotte Tuckwood 1882 March q. Notts 7b/371
As explained earlier, the Charlotte b.Mar.1882 died June 1882.
Annette
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Silly me for not checking!! Yes they were. Very strange.
Thanks everyone
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…..but why would she take the Carrington name?
Maggie
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St Mary Nottingham Jan 1873
CARRINGTON Edwin age 21 father William
TUCKWOOD Charlotte age 24 father George
NotesGroom signed X. Bride signed X
Was Charlotte Tuckwood dau of George & Rebecca?
1871 census shows a brother & sister Charlotte & Charles
RG10; Piece: 3522; Folio: 48; Page: 4
George Tuckwood 53 occ shoe maker
Rebecca Tuckwood 52
Charlotte Tuckwood 26 printer?
William Tuckwood 22
Charles Tuckwood 17
James Tuckwood 13
Kate Tuckwood 11
Christopher Tuckwood 8
John Tuckwood 2 grandson
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There is this marriage
Lottie Tuckwood
Jan-Feb-Mar 1919 Nottingham
Albert Eversley
but I think she is Lottie Rossell and married a Herbert Tuckwood in 1907
he died in the war 1917, husband of Lottie Tuckwood, of 37, Ashforth St., Nottingham,
Lottie Carrington TUCKWOOD
Baptism 17 Sep 1889 Nottinghamshire Sneinton : St Alban
Birth date 10 Dec 1882 Baptism date 17 Sep 1889
Lottie Carrington
Father Charles
Mother Eliza
Father surname TUCKWOOD
Person abode Clarence St
Father occupation Smith
This could be the above Lottie's death
Lottie Tuckwood
Burial or Cremation Date: 15 Nov 1910
Grave details and 2 other burials £1.50 to view
UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Record is available to view on deceased online but you need to pay
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mja/
Lottie Tuckwood age 27 (bn c1883)
Oct-Nov-Dec 1910 Nottingham 7B 166
There is this marriage but I think she is Lottie Rossell and married a Herbert Tuckwood 1907 who died in the war 1917 Son of Mrs. H. Tuckwood, of 48, Caroline St., Nottingham; husband of Lottie Tuckwood, of 37, Ashforth St., Nottingham
You can also order a pdf version of a birth or death certificate applications for PDF’s cost £6, must be made online and include a GRO index reference
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Her birth was registered as plain Lotty Tuckwood - so was 'Carrington' added at baptism as gesture towards Edwin and Charlotte? Her parents had a number of children including an Edwin b.1890.
I can't seem to find Charles and Eliza Tuckwood on 1891 census to establish whether 'Lottie' was with them or not.
I think I found them took some digging around trying to find Clarence St. as per 1889 baptism
address for Lottie Carrington Tuckwood there is NO Lottie with Charles & family
I used Rosella Tuckwood as she had same surname
RG12; Piece: 2705; Folio: 113; Page: 32
and from start of
Page 24 of 57 is the address Clarence Street
found Charles & family on page 31 of 57 living at 99 Clarence St
written in this order
Eliza A Tuckwood wife M 34 Snenton Nott’s
Ada E dau 15 Lace doubles
Kate 6
Edith 5
Walter 2
Edwin 6 months
Maria Booksby lodger s 37 Warwickshire Birmingham boot machinist
Charles Tuckwood Head M 36 Lack machine dropper maker his pob has been dittoed same as Maria
the names are a match to the 1901 census below
1901 census which would match the marriage entry this Charles' occ Cycle fitter :-\
RG10; Piece: 3522; Folio: 48; Page: 4
Charles Tuckwood 46
Eliza Tuckwood 44
Katherine Tuckwood 16
Edith Tuckwood 15
Walter Tuckwood 12
Edwin Tuckwood 10
Charles Tuckwood 8
Claude Tuckwood 4
Rosa Tuckwood 2
Maria Brooksby 47
and 1881 census RG11; Piece: 3346; Folio: 79; Page: 13
11 Hampden Pl
Maria Brooksby 27 Birmingham
Eliza A. Tuckwood sister married 24 pob dittoed
Ada E. Tuckwood neice 5 Snenton
Charles E. Tuckwood nephew 2
St Stephen
Baptism date 29 Nov 1875
Ada Ellen
Father Charles
Mother Eliza
Father TUCKWOOD
Person abode Beaumont St
Father occupation Dropper maker
St Stephen
Baptism date 25 Oct 1881
Charles Edgar
Father Charles
Mother Eliza Anne
Father TUCKWOOD
Person abode 11 Hampden Pl
Father occupation Cricketer
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Interestingly in 1881 (when Eliza and her children are with her sister) there is a 25 yr old Notts-born Charles Tuckwood lodging in Mile End, London, “unmarried”, and a scenic artist.
Could this be Eliza’s husband, having temporarily abandoned his usual life and off on a creative frolic?
RG11/482/59/50
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There’s quite a gap in births around 1881, in the otherwise fertile Tuckwood/Brooksby marriage:
Dec qtr 1875: Ada Ellen
Sep qtr 1878: Charles Edgar (died 1885)
Mar qtr 1883: Lotty
Sep qtr 1884: Kate
Mar qtr 1886: Edith
Sep qtr 1888: Walter
Dec qtr 1890: Edwin
Mar qtr 1893: Charles
Mar qtr 1895: Leonard (died 1897)
Sep qtr 1896: Claud
Jun qtr 1899: Rose
If there was a period of marital estrangement, that might have something to do with why Lotty was brought up by relatives. Perhaps, though this can only be speculation, she was conceived during Charles’ absence?
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As far as I was aware, Charles 1854(Eliza) p.o.b was Radford in Nottingham, son of George / Rebecca.
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As far as I was aware, Charles 1854(Eliza) p.o.b was Radford in Nottingham, son of George / Rebecca.
Yes, that’s the only Notts birth reg of a Charles Tuckwood at around the right time. The 1891 apparent anomaly is likely to be just a lazy ditto - he seems to have been added as an afterthought.
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You have all worked so hard for me and given me much food for thought. I will go over everything to try and understand.
Many thanks
Maggie
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CONCLUSION.
I think that you are right ,Annette, Lottie(Charlotte) was not Charles's child so Eliza gave her to Charlotte and Edwin to bring up as their own but still retaining the Tuckwood surname.
We will never know, but things happened then that defy explanation.
Many thanks for all your help.
Maggie
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CONCLUSION.
I think that you are right , Annette,
Lottie(Charlotte) was not Charles's child so Eliza gave her to
Charlotte and Edwin to bring up as their own but still retaining the Tuckwood surname.
We will never know, but things happened then that defy explanation.
birth registered as Lotty Tuckwood 1882 and Lottie Carrington Tuckwood was not baptized until 1889,
some 7 years later at St Alban's Nottingham -
perhaps this is when Charlotte (Lotty) went to live with her Aunt Charlotte Carrington nee Tuckwood - as you say we'll never know
Freereg doesn’t appear to have bapt of these Tuckwood children of Charles & Eliza Ann
Edwin 1890, Claud 1896 or Rosa 1899
Charles & Eliza's other children
Ada Ellen, Charles Edgar, Edith, Kate and Walter were all Bp. at St Stephen's Nottingham where Charles Tuckwood & Eliza Ann Brooksby married in 1875
Charles Tuckwood certainly had a variety of occupations on their baptism records
dropper maker, cricketer, screw maker & smith and
dropper maker (1891c)
cycle maker (1901c) &
Comb maker (1911)
1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSNF-8FS
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWSX-YN4
I wonder what details are given on the 1882 birth cert. for Lotty Tuckwood ie parents names,
and who was the informant on Lotty Tuckwood's death in 1910 (burial Nottingham 15 November 1910)
Unfortunately there's no record on find a grave to see if she's buried with any family member/s ie
Tuckwood or Carrington
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I'm going to send for the certs, Ladyhawk. I'm intrigued to find that info too. Watch this space.
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Do let us know!
Another possibility is that she was frail/ill in some way from childhood, and it was thought better for her to be brought up by family members without other children, rather than in the busy Tuckwood household. The cause of death (among other things) will be interesting.
For my part I think it likely she was with the Carringtons earlier than 1889, having not been included in earlier Tuckwood baptisms (e.g. with Kate in 1887). I wonder whether any Nottingham school records survive?
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Do let us know!
Another possibility is that she was frail/ill in some way from childhood, and it was thought better for her to be brought up by family members without other children, rather than in the busy Tuckwood household. The cause of death (among other things) will be interesting.
For my part I think it likely she was with the Carringtons earlier than 1889, having not been included in earlier Tuckwood baptisms (e.g. with Kate in 1887). I wonder whether any Nottingham school records survive?
Of course I will. You've done all the work lol!! Certs have been sent for. Should be here next week.
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removed Tuckwood birth entries mmn Brooksby as avm228 had already posted ::) ::)
I'm going to send for the certs. I'm intrigued to find that info too.
Watch this space.
We will :)
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I thought I had got all of those, Ladyhawk :)
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There’s quite a gap in births around 1881, in the otherwise fertile Tuckwood/Brooksby marriage:
Dec qtr 1875: Ada Ellen
Sep qtr 1878: Charles Edgar (died 1885)
Mar qtr 1883: Lotty
Sep qtr 1884: Kate
Mar qtr 1886: Edith
Sep qtr 1888: Walter
Dec qtr 1890: Edwin
Mar qtr 1893: Charles
Mar qtr 1895: Leonard (died 1897)
Sep qtr 1896: Claud
Jun qtr 1899: Rose
If there was a period of marital estrangement, that might have something to do with why Lotty was brought up by relatives. Perhaps, though this can only be speculation, she was conceived during Charles’ absence?
I thought I had got all of those, Ladyhawk :)
Apologies avm228 - you certainly did I should have looked more closely :)
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No worries - great minds & all that :D
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Afternoon ladies. Here is the info off the certs.
Lotty Tuckwood.
Birth - 10th December 1882 Born at 11, Hampden Place Beaumont St Nottingham. Father Charles, occupation Machine Smith. Mother Eliza Ann (Brooksby) Registered 18th January 1883.
Death - 11th November 1910. Daughter of Charles Tuckwood. Died at 23, Hollow Stone Nottingham from PHTTISIS aged 27 yrs. Informant and present at death, E Carrington 23 Hollow Stone, Nottingham.
Maggie
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Lottie Carrington TUCKWOOD Baptism 17 Sep 1889 Nottinghamshire Sneinton : St Alban
Birth date 10 Dec 1882
Baptism date 17 Sep 1889
Lottie Carrington
Father Charles
Mother Eliza
Father surname TUCKWOOD
Person abode Clarence St
Father occupation Smith
Place Sneinton
Church name St Stephen
Marriage 24 Apr 1875
Groom Charles
Groom TUCKWOOD
Bride Eliza Ann
Bride BROOKSBY
Details of both records From Freereg
Lotty Tuckwood.
Birth - 10th December 1882 Born at 11, Hampden Place Beaumont St Nottingham.
Father Charles, occupation Machine Smith.
Mother Eliza Ann (Brooksby)
Registered 18th January 1883.
Death - 11th November 1910. Daughter of Charles Tuckwood.
Died at 23, Hollow Stone Nottingham from PHTTISIS aged 27 yrs.
Informant and present at death, E Carrington 23 Hollow Stone, Nottingham.
Maggie thank you for providing the details :) :)
so the birth certificate confirms she was the Lotty Carrington Tuckwood baptized in 1889 and her death certificate confirms Carrington connection their address in 1911 and the informant was E(dwin), Charlotte Carrington nee Tuckwood's husband