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Title: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Monday 13 August 18 23:14 BST (UK)
Evening all.
Could someone help me find a marriage/death of this lady, please? Her parents were Charlotte Tuckwood and Edward/Edwin Carrington. On the 1911 census it says that Charlotte and Edwin have no living children. They had 2 children, John born 1873, he died 1876. and Charlotte born 1883. I've tried to find a death but no luck.

Many thanks
Maggie 
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 14 August 18 00:16 BST (UK)
I’m not seeing a Carrington birth reg with mmn Tuckwood in or around 1883 ???
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 14 August 18 00:22 BST (UK)
Edwin and Charlotte Carrington don’t (in the last census) claim to have had more than one child - so that would presumably be John Edwin, who as you say died young. 

It is certainly puzzling that in 1891 and 1901 they list a daughter Charlotte, who doesn’t appear to have a birth registration.  Perhaps she was (informally) adopted, and her BMD entries are under another name?  She’s a decade or so older than their niece Charlotte Tuckwood who turns up later, so not her.
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Tuesday 14 August 18 00:39 BST (UK)
Many thanks. I thought it was me!! I got the "1883" from the censuses. I guess I will have to take a chance and send for her birth cert with just the parents named.
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Comberton on Tuesday 14 August 18 02:18 BST (UK)
a possible answer

Birth
Charlotte Tuckwood
March 1882
Nottingham
mmn Ball

Parents marriage
John Tuckwood
Ruth Ball
September 1860
Nottingham

Death of mother
Ruth Tuckwood
December 1883
Nottingham
aged 41
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: larkspur on Tuesday 14 August 18 13:26 BST (UK)
Burial 14 Jun 1882 Charlotte Tuckwood aged 5m abode Independent Hill buried at Nottingham St Mary.
7 Nov 1883 Ruth Tuckwood aged 41 abode Independent Hill buried St Catherine.

John and Ruth also baptised in 1880 Eliza Jane and Annie, father was a cordwainer and abode 27 Independent Hill.

Seems this Charlotte died at only 5 months old. Sorry Comberton.
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Tuesday 14 August 18 13:34 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone.
Maggie
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Thursday 16 August 18 22:10 BST (UK)
Found a marriage to a Bernard Scothern March q.1927 in Nottingham.....which made her 44yrs. One son, Stanley 1928.

Possibility? Stanley is on the 1939 register as an evacuee in Southwell Nottingham with the Stanfield family. But no Charlotte.
Maggie ???
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 16 August 18 23:10 BST (UK)
Don’t know if there’s a connection Posting due surnames carrington/tuckwood


Lottie Carrington TUCKWOOD   Baptism   17 Sep 1889   Nottinghamshire   Sneinton : St Alban

Birth date   10 Dec 1882
Baptism date   17 Sep 1889
Lottie Carrington
Father Charles
Mother Eliza
Father surname   TUCKWOOD
Person abode   Clarence St
Father occupation   Smith

Haven’t checked census for this couple  there is this marriage

Place   Sneinton
Church name   St Stephen
Marriage 24 Apr 1875
Groom       Charles
Groom    TUCKWOOD
Bride    Eliza Ann
Bride    BROOKSBY

Details of both records From Freereg

EDIT

Charlotte Carrington nee Tuckwood married to Edwin did she perhaps have a brother named Charles?


Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 17 August 18 01:14 BST (UK)
Her birth was registered as plain Lotty Tuckwood - so was 'Carrington' added at baptism as gesture towards Edwin and Charlotte?   Her parents had a number of children including an Edwin b.1890.

I can't seem to find Charles and Eliza Tuckwood on 1891 census to establish whether 'Lottie' was with them or not.

Well spotted, Ladyhawk - feel sure that Lottie is the Charlotte with Edwin and Charlotte.

Would have thought any marriage would be in her legal name of Tuckwood.

Annette

Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 17 August 18 08:32 BST (UK)
1901 census which would match the marriage entry this Charles' occ Cycle fitter  :-\

RG10; Piece: 3522; Folio: 48; Page: 4
Charles Tuckwood   46
Eliza Tuckwood   44
Katherine Tuckwood   16
Edith Tuckwood   15
Walter Tuckwood   12
Edwin Tuckwood   10
Charles Tuckwood   8
Claude Tuckwood   4
Rosa Tuckwood   2
Maria Brooksby   47

added

Church name   St Stephen
Baptism date   12 Dec 1887
Edith
Father    Charles
Mother    Eliza Ann
Father    TUCKWOOD
Person abode   8 Beaumont Pl
Father occupation   Screwmaker

also daughter Kate was baptized on 12 Dec 1887 same details parents etc...
freereg
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Friday 17 August 18 08:52 BST (UK)
Hello Ladyhawk.
Yes you are correct. That is the brother to my Grt,Grt G'father. In 1891, Charlotte (Lottie) is with Charlotte and Edwin aged 8yrs as in 1901 aged 18yrs. Was Lottie born illegitimately to one of Charles's children and Charlotte adopted her.?
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Friday 17 August 18 08:57 BST (UK)
Now heres a thing!!
Lotty Tuckwood  1883  March q. Notts  7b/301
Charlotte  Tuckwood  1882   March q. Notts  7b/371
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: avm228 on Friday 17 August 18 09:04 BST (UK)
Hello Ladyhawk.
Yes you are correct. That is the brother to my Grt,Grt G'father. In 1891, Charlotte (Lottie) is with Charlotte and Edwin aged 8yrs as in 1901 aged 18yrs. Was Lottie born illegitimately to one of Charles's children and Charlotte adopted her.?

Charles only married in 1875; his children were not old enough to become parents themselves in 1883.  It looks as though Lotty was a legitimate daughter of Charles and Eliza, but for one reason or another was brought up mostly by Edwin and Charlotte (were they her uncle and aunt?) whose only son had died.
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 17 August 18 09:18 BST (UK)
Now heres a thing!!
Lotty Tuckwood  1883  March q. Notts  7b/301
Charlotte  Tuckwood  1882   March q. Notts  7b/371

As explained earlier, the Charlotte b.Mar.1882 died June 1882.

Annette
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Friday 17 August 18 09:21 BST (UK)
Silly me for not checking!!  Yes they were. Very strange.

Thanks everyone
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Friday 17 August 18 09:25 BST (UK)
…..but why would she take the Carrington name?
Maggie
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 17 August 18 09:41 BST (UK)
St Mary Nottingham Jan 1873
CARRINGTON Edwin age 21 father William
TUCKWOOD Charlotte  age 24 father George
 NotesGroom signed X. Bride signed X

Was Charlotte Tuckwood dau of George & Rebecca?

1871 census shows a brother & sister Charlotte & Charles

RG10; Piece: 3522; Folio: 48; Page: 4
George Tuckwood   53 occ shoe maker
Rebecca Tuckwood   52
Charlotte Tuckwood   26 printer?
William Tuckwood   22
Charles Tuckwood   17
James Tuckwood   13
Kate Tuckwood           11
Christopher Tuckwood   8
John Tuckwood   2 grandson

Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 17 August 18 10:22 BST (UK)
There is this marriage

Lottie Tuckwood
Jan-Feb-Mar 1919 Nottingham
Albert Eversley

but I think she is Lottie Rossell and married a Herbert Tuckwood in 1907
he died in the war 1917, husband of Lottie Tuckwood, of 37, Ashforth St., Nottingham,


Lottie Carrington TUCKWOOD   
Baptism   17 Sep 1889   Nottinghamshire   Sneinton : St Alban

Birth date   10 Dec 1882 Baptism date   17 Sep 1889
Lottie Carrington
Father Charles
Mother Eliza
Father surname   TUCKWOOD
Person abode   Clarence St
Father occupation   Smith

This could be the above Lottie's death

Lottie Tuckwood
Burial or Cremation Date:   15 Nov 1910
Grave details and 2 other burials £1.50 to view
UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Record is available to view on deceased online but you need to pay
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mja/

Lottie Tuckwood age 27 (bn c1883)
Oct-Nov-Dec 1910 Nottingham 7B 166
   
There is this marriage but I think she is Lottie Rossell and married a Herbert Tuckwood 1907 who died in the war 1917 Son of Mrs. H. Tuckwood, of 48, Caroline St., Nottingham; husband of Lottie Tuckwood, of 37, Ashforth St., Nottingham

You can also order a pdf version of a birth or death certificate applications for PDF’s cost £6, must be made online and include a GRO index reference






Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 17 August 18 11:26 BST (UK)
Her birth was registered as plain Lotty Tuckwood - so was 'Carrington' added at baptism as gesture towards Edwin and Charlotte?   Her parents had a number of children including an Edwin b.1890.

I can't seem to find Charles and Eliza Tuckwood on 1891 census to establish whether 'Lottie' was with them or not.


I think I found them took some digging around trying to find Clarence St. as per 1889 baptism
address for Lottie Carrington Tuckwood there is NO Lottie with Charles & family

I used Rosella Tuckwood as she had same surname
RG12; Piece: 2705; Folio: 113; Page: 32

and from start of
Page 24 of 57 is the address Clarence Street
found Charles & family on page 31 of 57 living at 99 Clarence St

written in this order

Eliza A Tuckwood wife M 34 Snenton Nott’s
Ada E dau 15 Lace doubles
Kate 6
Edith 5
Walter 2
Edwin 6 months
Maria Booksby lodger s 37 Warwickshire Birmingham  boot machinist
Charles Tuckwood Head M 36 Lack machine dropper maker his pob has been dittoed same as Maria

the names are a match to the 1901 census below

1901 census which would match the marriage entry this Charles' occ Cycle fitter  :-\

RG10; Piece: 3522; Folio: 48; Page: 4
Charles Tuckwood   46
Eliza Tuckwood   44
Katherine Tuckwood   16
Edith Tuckwood   15
Walter Tuckwood   12
Edwin Tuckwood   10
Charles Tuckwood   8
Claude Tuckwood   4
Rosa Tuckwood   2
Maria Brooksby   47


and 1881 census RG11; Piece: 3346; Folio: 79; Page: 13
11 Hampden Pl
Maria Brooksby   27 Birmingham
Eliza A. Tuckwood sister married   24 pob dittoed
Ada E. Tuckwood neice   5 Snenton
Charles E. Tuckwood   nephew 2

St Stephen
Baptism date   29 Nov 1875
Ada Ellen
Father   Charles
Mother   Eliza
Father      TUCKWOOD
Person abode   Beaumont St
Father occupation   Dropper maker

St Stephen
Baptism date   25 Oct 1881
Charles Edgar
Father    Charles
Mother    Eliza Anne
Father      TUCKWOOD
Person abode   11 Hampden Pl
Father occupation   Cricketer


Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: avm228 on Friday 17 August 18 11:33 BST (UK)
Interestingly in 1881 (when Eliza and her children are with her sister) there is a 25 yr old Notts-born Charles Tuckwood lodging in Mile End, London, “unmarried”, and a scenic artist.

Could this be Eliza’s husband, having temporarily abandoned his usual life and off on a creative frolic?

RG11/482/59/50
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: avm228 on Friday 17 August 18 11:45 BST (UK)
There’s quite a gap in births around 1881, in the otherwise fertile Tuckwood/Brooksby marriage:

Dec qtr 1875: Ada Ellen
Sep qtr 1878: Charles Edgar (died 1885)
Mar qtr 1883: Lotty
Sep qtr 1884: Kate
Mar qtr 1886: Edith
Sep qtr 1888: Walter
Dec qtr 1890: Edwin
Mar qtr 1893: Charles
Mar qtr 1895: Leonard (died 1897)
Sep qtr 1896: Claud
Jun qtr 1899: Rose

If there was a period of marital estrangement, that might have something to do with why Lotty was brought up by relatives.  Perhaps, though this can only be speculation, she was conceived during Charles’ absence?


Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Friday 17 August 18 11:57 BST (UK)
As far as I was aware, Charles 1854(Eliza) p.o.b was Radford in Nottingham, son of George / Rebecca.
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: avm228 on Friday 17 August 18 12:00 BST (UK)
As far as I was aware, Charles 1854(Eliza) p.o.b was Radford in Nottingham, son of George / Rebecca.

Yes, that’s the only Notts birth reg of a Charles Tuckwood at around the right time.  The 1891 apparent anomaly is likely to be just a lazy ditto - he seems to have been added as an afterthought.
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Friday 17 August 18 12:04 BST (UK)
You have all worked so hard for me and given me much food for thought. I will go over everything to try and understand.
Many thanks
Maggie
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Friday 17 August 18 18:26 BST (UK)
CONCLUSION.

I think that you are right ,Annette, Lottie(Charlotte) was not Charles's child so Eliza gave her to Charlotte and Edwin to bring up as their own but still retaining the Tuckwood surname.

We will never know, but things happened then that defy explanation.

Many thanks for all your help.

Maggie
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 18 August 18 12:51 BST (UK)
CONCLUSION.

I think that you are right , Annette,

Lottie(Charlotte) was not Charles's child so Eliza gave her to
Charlotte and Edwin to bring up as their own but still retaining the Tuckwood surname.

We will never know, but things happened then that defy explanation.


birth registered as Lotty Tuckwood 1882  and Lottie Carrington Tuckwood was not baptized until 1889,
some 7 years later at St Alban's Nottingham -
perhaps this is when Charlotte (Lotty) went to live with her Aunt Charlotte Carrington nee Tuckwood - as you say we'll never know

Freereg doesn’t appear to have bapt of these Tuckwood children of Charles & Eliza Ann
Edwin 1890, Claud 1896  or Rosa 1899

Charles & Eliza's other children
Ada Ellen, Charles Edgar, Edith, Kate and Walter were all Bp. at St Stephen's Nottingham where Charles Tuckwood & Eliza Ann Brooksby married in 1875

Charles Tuckwood certainly had a variety of occupations on their baptism records
dropper maker, cricketer, screw maker & smith and
dropper maker (1891c)
cycle maker     (1901c) &
Comb maker     (1911)
1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSNF-8FS
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWSX-YN4

I wonder what details are given on the 1882 birth cert. for Lotty Tuckwood ie parents names,
and who was the informant on Lotty Tuckwood's death in 1910 (burial Nottingham 15 November 1910)

Unfortunately there's no record on find a grave to see if she's buried with any family member/s ie
Tuckwood or Carrington
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Saturday 18 August 18 13:07 BST (UK)
I'm going to send for the certs, Ladyhawk. I'm intrigued to find that info too. Watch this space.
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 18 August 18 13:27 BST (UK)
Do let us know!

Another possibility is that she was frail/ill in some way from childhood, and it was thought better for her to be brought up by family members without other children, rather than in the busy Tuckwood household.  The cause of death (among other things) will be interesting.

For my part I think it likely she was with the Carringtons earlier than 1889, having not been included in earlier Tuckwood baptisms (e.g. with Kate in 1887).  I wonder whether any Nottingham school records survive?
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Saturday 18 August 18 13:41 BST (UK)
Do let us know!

Another possibility is that she was frail/ill in some way from childhood, and it was thought better for her to be brought up by family members without other children, rather than in the busy Tuckwood household.  The cause of death (among other things) will be interesting.

For my part I think it likely she was with the Carringtons earlier than 1889, having not been included in earlier Tuckwood baptisms (e.g. with Kate in 1887).  I wonder whether any Nottingham school records survive?
Of course I will. You've done all the work lol!! Certs have been sent for. Should be here next week.
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 18 August 18 14:32 BST (UK)
removed Tuckwood birth entries mmn Brooksby as avm228 had already posted  ::) ::)

I'm going to send for the certs. I'm intrigued to find that info too.
Watch this space.

We will  :)
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 18 August 18 14:35 BST (UK)
I thought I had got all of those, Ladyhawk :)
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 18 August 18 15:08 BST (UK)
There’s quite a gap in births around 1881, in the otherwise fertile Tuckwood/Brooksby marriage:

Dec qtr 1875: Ada Ellen
Sep qtr 1878: Charles Edgar (died 1885)
Mar qtr 1883: Lotty
Sep qtr 1884: Kate
Mar qtr 1886: Edith
Sep qtr 1888: Walter
Dec qtr 1890: Edwin
Mar qtr 1893: Charles
Mar qtr 1895: Leonard (died 1897)
Sep qtr 1896: Claud
Jun qtr 1899: Rose

If there was a period of marital estrangement, that might have something to do with why Lotty was brought up by relatives.  Perhaps, though this can only be speculation, she was conceived during Charles’ absence?
I thought I had got all of those, Ladyhawk :)

Apologies avm228 - you certainly did I should have looked more closely  :)
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 18 August 18 15:22 BST (UK)
No worries - great minds & all that :D
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: maggie.mae on Saturday 25 August 18 15:15 BST (UK)
Afternoon ladies. Here is the info off the certs.
Lotty Tuckwood.
Birth - 10th December 1882 Born at 11, Hampden Place Beaumont St Nottingham. Father Charles, occupation Machine Smith. Mother Eliza Ann (Brooksby)  Registered 18th January 1883.

Death - 11th November 1910. Daughter of Charles Tuckwood. Died at 23, Hollow Stone Nottingham from PHTTISIS aged 27 yrs. Informant and present at death, E Carrington 23 Hollow Stone, Nottingham.

Maggie
Title: Re: Charlotte Carrington 1883
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 25 August 18 18:00 BST (UK)

Lottie Carrington TUCKWOOD   Baptism   17 Sep 1889   Nottinghamshire   Sneinton : St Alban

Birth date   10 Dec 1882
Baptism date   17 Sep 1889
Lottie Carrington
Father Charles
Mother Eliza
Father surname   TUCKWOOD
Person abode   Clarence St
Father occupation   Smith

Place   Sneinton
Church name   St Stephen
Marriage 24 Apr 1875
Groom       Charles
Groom    TUCKWOOD
Bride    Eliza Ann
Bride    BROOKSBY

Details of both records From Freereg


Lotty Tuckwood.
Birth - 10th December 1882 Born at 11, Hampden Place Beaumont St Nottingham.
Father Charles, occupation Machine Smith.
Mother Eliza Ann (Brooksby)
Registered 18th January 1883.

Death - 11th November 1910. Daughter of Charles Tuckwood.
Died at 23, Hollow Stone Nottingham from PHTTISIS aged 27 yrs.
Informant and present at death, E Carrington 23 Hollow Stone, Nottingham.


Maggie thank you for providing the details  :) :)

so the birth certificate confirms she was the Lotty Carrington Tuckwood baptized in 1889 and her death certificate confirms Carrington connection their address in 1911 and the informant was E(dwin), Charlotte Carrington nee Tuckwood's husband