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Title: George Thomas PARKER
Post by: robang66 on Tuesday 14 August 18 19:14 BST (UK)
I am looking for direction to find any data on George Thomas Parker, dob c.1855. who married KATE BAKER on 22 June 1890 at All Souls Church, Parish of St. Marylebone, county of London.  On the marriage record, he is listed as a tobacconist, and his father is George Parker (gentleman's servant).  Kate's father is James Robert Baker, my great-grandfather.  All I have is the marriage record from 1890. 

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 14 August 18 19:23 BST (UK)
Is kate alone in 1891, 1901, 1911?

What kids do they have? (Names, when & where)
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: robang66 on Tuesday 14 August 18 19:26 BST (UK)
I have George in the 1881 census listed as a tobacconist, but I have been unable to find anything past their marriage record.  I looked for death records - nothing that jumped out - thinking that maybe George or Kate had died, but it went nowhere. 
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: tazzie on Tuesday 14 August 18 19:29 BST (UK)
Do you have him before 1881 or is it only after marriage you need info?

Tazzie
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: robang66 on Tuesday 14 August 18 19:32 BST (UK)
Because Kate Baker is in MY line, I'm interested in finding out more about her.  I was getting nowhere there, so I redirected my efforts to George Thomas Parker, thinking that I could perhaps get census records or even a death certificate. 
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 14 August 18 19:38 BST (UK)
This may be of interest

George Thomas Parker
Q3 1891
Age at Death:    37
Marylebone  Vol 1a, p360
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: robang66 on Tuesday 14 August 18 19:43 BST (UK)
Thanks so much.  I did get onto the Free BDM site looking for her death record, but without finding Kate in a census after they were married, I didn't know where she would've been residing, so I didn't know which district she may have been listed for her date of death.  If they married in 1890 and he died in 1891, that would explain why I haven't been able to find him in the 1901 or 1911 censuses. 
At least now I know that she may have even re-married.  Thanks.
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: robang66 on Tuesday 14 August 18 20:06 BST (UK)
I cannot find her in subsequent census records as either Kate Parker or Kate Baker.  After George died in 1891, I thought perhaps she returned to her family, but my great-grand father was in the Dartmouth Union Workhouse in 1901, so she's not in that census.  At that time (he died there in 1905), he was married to his second wife, so it's doubtful Kate would move in with her.
I have looked for a second marriage under Parker/Baker, but nothing.  I even checked to see if she migrated to Australia where others in the family moved, but again, nothing. 
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 14 August 18 20:21 BST (UK)
Is she the Kate b West Ham c 1865, in Rainham in 1881?
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: robang66 on Tuesday 14 August 18 20:23 BST (UK)
Yes.  Parents are James Robert Baker and Eliza Frances Parsons. 
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 14 August 18 20:44 BST (UK)
A possible?

Kate Parker
Q4 1900
Age at Death:    37
Pancras  Volume 1b, p98

There's a Kate Parker around the right age admitted to the workhouse/infirmary a couple of times in 1898 & 1899 . Very few details though
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: robang66 on Tuesday 14 August 18 20:55 BST (UK)
That would be interesting, and sad, that she and her father both died in a workhouse.  Thanks for that lead...I'll work on it.  That certainly would explain why she is not appearing in subsequent census records after George Thomas Parker died. 
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: robang66 on Wednesday 15 August 18 13:11 BST (UK)
May I ask from where you got the data about the workhouse?  I'm going to research that a bit more.  Was it from a census record?
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 15 August 18 22:00 BST (UK)
Ancestry has some workhouse/poor law guardian records for London. Not sure what level of membership gains you access to these, and not all are indexed.

I don;t know that she died in a workhouse, just that someone of the right name and approximate age (give or take a few years) in the right area was admitted and discharged, and not much later there's a death registered of someone of the right name and approximate age.
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: robang66 on Wednesday 15 August 18 22:14 BST (UK)
Well you have certainly given me a few leads that I'll try and follow.  I appreciate your direction.  Someone once told me that "genealogy is mythology if it's without documentation".  Thanks so much!
Title: Re: GEORGE THOMAS PARKER
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 16 August 18 17:42 BST (UK)
without finding Kate in a census after they were married

Possible in Marylebone in 1891
piece 90 folio 39 page 19
24 Mortimer Street
George Parker, 35, who is a Manager
Kate Parker 26 born Essex Purfleet
Mary A Parker born Suffolk Debenham (as per 1881 with son George the tobacconist).