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I have a problem i hope you could help me with. I traced my roots well up to ancestor James Berisford abt 1781. His baptism was on 28th Dec 1783 (Alton Stafford) and parents John and Hannah.
The only John and Hannah i find for that area was a john Berisford 1753 and his wife Hannah (Ratclif/Ritcliff)..
Now here is the puzzle... Hannah and john was deported to Australia on the prince of wales ship in 1787 they had many children (some sources says 6 some says 8) and but only 5 children with them (one source said the 5 children was born in Australia the first after deportation was Joseph born 1798)) so i believe... but no James on record anywhere.
Is this the right John and Hannah? or am i barking at the wrong tree even forest? thanks for any tips or help in advance:-) BR Charles
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Are you getting this information from online trees :-\
Checking parish registers for St Peters, Alton there are a John & Hannah Berisford still baptising children there in the 1790's after this couple supposedly left England
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Hello Rosie99, From searching in google leading to pages : wiki tree and wc rootsweb. I have find my past however the results don't come up with anything for john and Hannah apart from the Ritcliff one :-/
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FindMyPast has parish registers for the parish of St Peter's Alton for the period you are interested in.
'Your' James
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mii/
Some other children baptised in the same parish with parents John & Hannah, images are available for them all
John 1778
Hannah 1780
Sarah 1782
Elizabeth 1786
Joseph 1788
William 1790
Sarah 1791
Edward 1792
Mary 1795
Perhaps the John & Hannah that were deported are not this couple. Can you please give link to where you found details of them being deported
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Hello and again thank you for your help, here are the links: https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wermore&id=I11494 is the official looking link and the wiki link is: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beresford-380
3of the names you gave seem to almost fit with the list of births you gave Joseph,Sarah and Mary.
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I think that this is more likely to be the John who married Hannah Ratcliffe
John Berisford
Age 65 (born c1748)
Burial 04 Feb 1813
Alton, St Peter
and this Hannah
Hannah Beresford
Age 74 (Born c1758)
Burial 07 Sep 1832
Alton, St Peter
Online trees should always be treated as 'fiction' until you can prove otherwise.
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I have just re- read the link you posted which states
The records show that John Beresford made a major contribution to the stores of Norfolk Island. The stores records show he was illiterate, signing with an X.
The John Berrisford that married Hannah Ratcliff in 1776 signed the marriage register ;D
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Who did your James marry. Where do you have him on census
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Its gets very confusing when trying to be conclusive pinning down Ancestors that far back!
Christenings for a JOHN Berrisford and variations;
8 April 1749 Alton, Staffordshire to WILLIAM/MARY
28 June 1752 Ellestone, Staffordshire to GEORGE/ELIZABETH, buried 10 Sept 1754
16 December 1753 Ticknall, Derbyshire to JOHN/ANN
10 Nov 1754 Ellestone, Staffordshire to ?/JOAN
All above on Familysearch.Org + this;
JOHN Birresford
Great Britain, War Office Registers, 1772-1935
birth:1754, Uttoxeter, Stafford
military service: 1772 England, United Kingdom
Extra details;
Name John Birresford
Event Type Military Service
Event Date 1772
Event Place England, United Kingdom
Age 18
Military Regiment Major Fitzroys Troop
Enlistment Place Coventry***
Birth Year (Estimated) 1754
Birthplace Uttoxeter, Stafford
Trish :)
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JOHN Birresford
Great Britain, War Office Registers, 1772-1935
birth:1754, Uttoxeter, Stafford
military service: 1772 England, United Kingdom
Extra details;
Name John Birresford
Event Type Military Service
Event Date 1772
Event Place England, United Kingdom
Age 18
Military Regiment Major Fitzroys Troop
Enlistment Place Coventry***
Birth Year (Estimated) 1754
Birthplace Uttoxeter, Stafford
Trish :)
I wonder if that was the one that went top Australia :-\
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I agree with Rosie it appears to be 2 different Families;
According to that info JB was a Marine.
Info on "The Prince of Wales"
The ship also carried a contingent of 31 marines of the New South Wales Marine Corps, comprising lieutenants Thomas Davey and Thomas Timins, five non-commissioned officers, and 24 privates. Sixteen of the marines embarked with their wives, and there were six children. Discipline was poor. In June 1787 two marines were court-martialed for disobeying orders; one received 300 lashes. Later in the voyage, two sergeants refused to share a mess after one insulted the other's wife.[37] Drunkenness was also common. In June one drunken marine sergeant fell through an open hatchway and injured the pregnant wife of another marine, for which offence he was placed in legcuffs for two weeks and then transferred to Alexander. Then in late October, First Lieutenant James Maxwell, who had recently transferred aboard from Charlotte, was found incoherently drunk on duty and promptly returned to Charlotte.[38]
Two more children were born to the wives of marines during the voyage.[Note 3] In October 1787 the wife of marine drummer Benjamin Cook died from an unspecified illness and was buried at sea after a brief ceremony.[38]
James Scott, a Sergeant of Marines, wrote an account of the voyage in his journals, now held at the State Library of New South Wales.
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Yes I would think so Rosie :)
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If that Family arrived 1787 some of the children must have been born on Norfolk Island by my calculations?
Quote from site;
3 September 1808, John Beresford's family and Robert Kingston were among the 255 people who boarded the City of Edinborough. This was the 5th embarkation at Norfolk Island for the Derwent. The passenger list included:
#61 John Beresford and #62 Hannah Beresford. Children #63 Dorothy (Dolly) Beresford, #64 Sarah Beresford
#65 Joseph Beresford and #66 Mary Ann Leviston (wife). Joseph was now around 19 years.******
#67 Mary Beresford. Around 18 years*******
#191 Robert Kingston and # 192 wife Esther Beresford. Ester was around 14 years********
So given ages Joseph/Mary/Esther likely born Norfolk.
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I should have read down further re childrens birth places :-[
It is a very confusing disjointed manuscript in one place it has him born Dublin.
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If you havent found it Rosie a Tree has James on it born 1783 Alton, married Maria Tomlinson 1805 and died 1836 Yoxall.
I have his Baptism (FreeREG) and Marriage (Pallots) but havent as yet confirmed his death.
Yes I have FreeREG age 54
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1841 Maria is a Widow living with her is Son James 1818, a Butcher and Family.
His Baptism is on FreeREG 1818 Yoxall, Parents James/Hannah.
Fathers Occp Farmer
Abode Longcrofts
Siblings;
Twins Bapt there also WILLIAM/THOMAS 01 Apr 1821
William buried 5th April (died 2nd April 1821), Thomas buried 28th April (died 24 April)
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If you havent found it Rosie a Tree has James on it born 1783 Alton, married Maria Tomlinson 1805 and died 1836 Yoxall.
I have his Baptism (FreeREG) and Marriage (Pallots) but havent as yet confirmed his death.
Yes I have FreeREG age 54
Thank you Trish :)
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I have the following info on James: James berisford baptised 28th Dec 1783, archive ref D1343/1/3 parents John & Hannah. His wife was a Mary Edge b.1789 married 18 Feb 1802 in Alstonefield. They were both illiterate (x mark for both) ref: D922/8. I have him on the 1841 census living in Mill Dale Alstonefield aged 60 with his wife Mary and his sons Isaac 1821 and Charles 1831. ref 1003 Book number 1 Folio number 13 Page number 19. In the 1851 census it is as follows: He is 73 living still at Mill Dale with Mary 67, sons Henry 27 1824 (my 4th gt grandfather) and Charles 20. District Ashbourne, Archive reference HO107, Piece number 2146 Folio 500 Page 28. Thanks again for helping me :-)
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1851 for James & Mary gives
James age 73 born Newtown, Staffordshire (born c 1788)
Mary age 67 born Longnor, Staffordshire
How did you establish that he was the 1783 baptism in Alton, Staffordshire. Newtown & Alton are approx 30 miles apart
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As you say Familysearch has that Marriage 18 February 1802 Alstonfield, Stafford
Baptisms;
St Peter, Alstonefield
To JAMES/MARY B
WILLIAM 18 Jun 1815
MARY 5 April 1818
HENRY 30 Mar 1823
CHARLES 25 Jan 1831
(FreeREG)
FAMILYSEACH.ORG has same place;
GEORGE 10 Feb 1805
JAMES 28 December 1806
WILLIAM 22 October 1809, likely buried 22 May 1811, Parents James/Mary
ELIZABETH 17 January 1812, buried 22 Jan 1812
RUTH 8 December 1812
(strange 2 children 1812 unless there are 2 James/Marys around)
Cant find anything for ISAAC to a James/Mary unless he was not their child, There are possibles.
One illeg born to a Mary Berrisford
This one seems to have married 23 Nov 1846 and names his Father as Soloman MELLOR.
Interestingly a Anne Edge* is a witness.
(FreeREG)
I am doubtful your James was the one born 1783 Alton.