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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: truebritmega on Thursday 16 August 18 10:14 BST (UK)
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Hello... I'm looking for where my great aunt Ellen is in 1911...
She's born 1893 in Wolverhampton , daughter of William Monaghan and Mary Clarke
I have her in all censuses apart from 1911
She marries a John woller in 1913 in Northumberland.(where she calls herself Helen.(Woller) But I can't find her in 1911
Also, am I able to see her marriage details online? As in to check where it says she was born?
As I've found a possible granddaughter of hers via a ashington colliery forum and she believes she was from gallway Ireland... (Whereas I have her birth certificate and she was actually born in Wolverhampton union workhouse)
I've asked this other person about the hallway thing so I was just backtracking myself while I wait to hear from her
Hope my questions make sense lol
Andy
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Marriage details do not give place of birth
Also, am I able to see her marriage details online? As in to check where it says she was born?
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Think spell check has tured 'Galway' into 'hallway' ;D
The only Galway birth I can find (just to rule Ireland out)-
Helen Monaghan 1894-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02235/1842244.pdf
We aren't allowed to do lookups for 1911 census but if you subscribe to Ancestry or Find My Past you can check there. If not, try Framily Search (free).
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She marries a John woller in 1913 in Northumberland.(where she calls herself Helen.(Woller) But I can't find her in 1911
Could you please give a reference etc for this marriage so we know where in Northumberland and when
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June 1913 Morpeth 10b 818
Monaghan, Hellen - spouse Wollers
Wollers, John - spouse Monaghan
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Thank you. :)
Freebmd was not giving me Wollers when I had Woller in the variable search, I must try harder ::) ;D
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It took a while to find it!
Could this be the right John Wollers in Hirst, Northumberland, in the free index to 1911?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMY-9LN
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It is a Catholic marriage
Try Joannem Wollers on FamilySearch, sorry I can't do links
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Yup that's them, but I can't see Ellen... In 1911, i have her up till 1901 in Wolverhampton, then the 1913 marriage, then in 1939 reg as Helen wollers 85 Dalton ave lynemoyth.
(And yes, gallway as hallway up there was my phone's spell checker altering it lol)
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She is Helen in 1939 register and Helen E on her death. I wonder if the ‘E’ is Ellen as an alternative.
Is there a different address for her on her marriage? (Not the same as her husband’s).
Who were the witnesses to the marriage? Any Monaghans?
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Hmmm maybe, a few other points ...I've just checked the Wolverhampton workhouse birth cert I have. Date of birth is 31 may 1893... Exactly the same as 1939 reg.
She has to be somewhere in 1911!! Lol
Throws this in too, tho this is a very wide shot ...
Her youngest sister (my nab)... Told my mom 'you have an aunty in America' .... I've never found that aunt.... Maybe...?
But I doubt Ellen would have gone to America as the family knew of her life in Northumberland..(so only possibility of this fabled aunt in America must be the wife of the eldest brother, William, as he's the only other 'missing' sibling)
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A published tree has William killed in 1916
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1545258/monaghan,-william/
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Ellen and Helen are interchangeable so not surprised to find her under both names ;)
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Ellen and Helen are interchangeable so not surprised to find her under both names ;)
Yes but we can’t, as yet, find her under either name - have tried *len too.
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Me, too ;)
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Hmmm do we know this is the same william monaghan? Ellens brother william, was born 1886 (wolverhampton)
A published tree has William killed in 1916
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1545258/monaghan,-william/
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Heywood? I think that william monaghan is the one born in wednesbury, mines born wolverhampton)
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I wasn’t sure. He enlisted in Wolverhampton so that must have caught my eye ::)
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(hes another annoyance lol) searched for years for him and nopes, nothing after 1911 :(
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Ive found another lil titbit from a relative of ellens up in ashington, she says that she lived ... at the time of her marriage, in Juliet Street...
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Juliet Street ... where?
Found it now - it wasn’t showing at first.
Do you have a number?
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she said 2 or 12