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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: babygirl101 on Friday 17 August 18 21:02 BST (UK)
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Please could someone look up a baptism for me?
The baptism is for a Pauline Emma Paul and according to FamilySearch, she was baptised on 27th July 1830. It names her parents as Joseph & Eliza, it's dad's occupation I'm especially interested in if it's given.
Many thanks
BG :)
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You might find it interesting to know, if you don't already, that FamilySearch also has Bishop Transcript images. I'm no good at finding them via the site- I have to google "FamilySearch Bishop Transcripts Northumberland" in order to find them (Durham also works).
That said, I just looked at the BTs for Earsdon for that date and can't see that entry there.
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Are you aware that FS shows exactly the same entry for Gt Yarmouth Norfolk?
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She married William Appleton in 1853 Liverpool and in 1861 is in Suffolk - birthplace shown as Yarmouth. Wife of an army officer
Marriage cert shows father as Joseph Paul occ artist
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Are you aware that FS shows exactly the same entry for Gt Yarmouth Norfolk?
I noticed that. FindMyPast also has two entries. It looks like Ancestry only has Norfolk?
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Thank you so very much for checking. I had seen the one in Norfolk and that makes much more sense, but I needed to double check the one in Northumberland too just to be sure it was a mistake.
BG :)
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I've just checked through Earsden and 2 adjacent parishes in the BTs :'(
(and why did the predictive text insert passages rather than parishes ;D )
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1841 for North Rd Gt Yarmouth - all born in county but no Pauline
Joseph Paul 35 painter
Mary 20
Eliza 14
Napoleon 10
Caroline 7
Charles Joseph 4
Lewis 2
Eliza Bentham 15 servant
HO107 Piece 793/1 Folio 8 Page 8
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Thanks Carole for 1841 census, that's fab :)
BG
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There is a 10yr old Emma Paul living with a 75yr old Elizabeth Mack?? in Norfolk in 1841. Elizabeth shown as not born in County but Emma was
I have just found a baptism in London on FS of a Joseph Meeke Paul - parents Joseph & Eliza and a London marriage in 1825 for Joseph Paul & Eliza Vining
Still looking so will see what I can find
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Pauline and William Appleton are in Middlesex in 1871 with 7 children born in 4 different counties. Pauline still shown as b Norfolk
Elizabeth Meek died Dec qtr 1844 St Faiths Norfolk aged 83. 1841 ages were rounded down to the nearest 5yrs so she could have been up to 79yrs old in 1841 so need to find a Vining/Meek connection to see if the 1825 marriage is the right one
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The film number for the Earsdon baptism is 1526328, but when you search the catalog with that number it brings back 'Parish registers for St. Nicholas' Church, Yarmouth, 1558-1901'
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1526328
The other film reference - 1545220 - is the Bishops Transcripts for Yarmouth 1773-1841
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1545220
It looks like they've simply made an error in indexing of the transcripts, and wrongly listed the parish as Earsdon. I've reported the error.
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Napoleon Paul was baptised 17.12.1831 Yarmouth = parents Joseph & Eliza - Joseph was an artist
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The newspaper archive has a number of articles in the Norfolk papers in 1844 regarding the case of an attempted poisoning by a Joseph Paul, an artist aged 40 of Catton, Norfolk of his elderly mother,a Mrs Meek. He was found not guilty. I have not read the articles in full but there appears to be a lot of detail.
Articles name his late wife as Mary- if the correct Joseph this would suggest that she was a second wife.
There is a further marriage of a Joseph Paul aged 40, a widower and artist 30th Nov 1845 Sprowston and Beeston St Andrew,Norfolk to a Sarah Ann Nicholls.The image is not totally clear but it looks to my eyes that one witness was Pauline Emma Paul. No father is named for Joseph on this marriage cert.
William
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Googling Joseph Paul shows him as an artist b 1804 Norfolk died 1887. 1861 for Warwickshire has a Joseph Paul animal painter aged 57 b Hampshire - wife Sarah Ann 34 b Norfolk plus son John Louis 14 b Norfolk
GRO search against sons birth reg shows Sarah's maiden name as Nickall
1845 marriage on freebmd in St Faiths RD between Joseph Paul and Sarah Ann Nickalls
1881 Joseph & Sarah are in London which ties in with this little snippet
https://www.nga.gov/collection/artist-info.6684.html
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You might also find it useful to read the will of Elizabeth Meek-probate date 26 March 1845. Again there is a lot of detail. Joseph Paul seems to be referred to as her godson - Pauline Emma Paul is clearly named in her will. The script is not easy to follow but it may be that an early sentence states "... Joseph Meek Paul who for many years resided with me (the son of my godson Joseph Paul Portrait Painter)."
(The will was proved at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury and so can be seen on Ancestry).
William
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Just to add that Elizabeth Meek died about a month after the conclusion of the poisoning case in September 1844. Reading an article in the Norfolk Chronicle 10 August 1844 it would appear that it was not fully established during the court case that Joseph was her son, the judge in summing up stating that if he was her son then he was her natural son.
The above article concludes by stating; " The Jury consulted for a short time and returned a verdict of "Not Guilty," apparently much to the surprise of almost everybody in the Court". In summing up the Judge had opined that there was no probability of Joseph obtaining any profit by taking away her life. Her will might suggest otherwise.
William
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Thank you so much, everyone, for your help with this. I was aware of the poisoning case and the connection to Elizabeth Meek. Joseph was quite a one I reckon! :)