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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: KGarrad on Saturday 18 August 18 11:24 BST (UK)
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At my local FHS meeting last night, I was asked if I could help trace this gentleman, or possibly descendants?
He was interned in 'F' Camp, Ramsey, Isle of Man during WW2.
And he may have sailed on the SS Wallonia?
The attached drawing and letter belonged to him. Does anyone read Finnish?
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Hi KGarrad
I put this out on a Finnish Forum and a kind Finnish member managed to get through it........
Partly deciphered original Finnish text.
"Laivamme kiitää ja pärskyt ne
laivan kylkeen lyö, ei sure
meripoika hetkiä noita, oli se
päivä taik[k]a musta yö.
(....) tyttöni itke vaan,
(vaikka?) laivamme lähti kauaksi
(p....), se meripoika, reissul-
laan (....) uskollinen olla."
Freely translated beginning:
"Our ship goes fast, waves hit ship's sides, seaman doesn't grieve of those moments, whether day or dark night.
Then he probably asks the girl not to cry, though the ship went faraway. And he promises to be true to her."
He said it was some kind of poem that possibly was copied among seamen.
Ian
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Many thanks, Ian ;D
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Cheers.
Finding this guy won't be easy. There is too little to go on.
I took a look in Finland anyway but I suppose the privacy laws prevent him from being found for the time being.
Ian
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Thanks for trying, though ;D
Does Finland have the usual 100 year rule?
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I can't remember but it is either 100 or 70 years.
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You can search parish records but there's very little after 1900.
http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en
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That's where I looked to search his surname.
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It doesn't give any results for Nyronen but there are a few for Nyrönen, late 19th century.
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I've been sent another document! ;D
Mention at the end of Anni Taipale of the village of Parantala?
Accents are always a problem when searching using an English keyboard :D :-\
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The circled part at the end says:
Anni Taipale
Aänekoski (underlined)
Parantola / Hospital
Niemelän talo / Niemelä House
Niemelä House is near Rovaniemi in Lapland. According to Wiki is was a 19th century farmhouse that was used in WWII (during the Continuation War, 1941-44, when Germany and Finland were fighting the USSR) as a German military hospital. it was later a school and is now a guesthouse/B&B.
Anni Taipale is a woman's name. I don't know if Aänekoski is a place name (in central Finland) or possibly her married name. But probably Anni Taipale, of Aänekoski.
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rovaniemi
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Many thanks, Vance.
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Hi
From Finland:
Seems to be song lyrics, at least Orvon kyynel (Orphan's teardrop). Maybe your earlier query was, too.
Performed by Georg Malmstén and Dallapé orchestra in 1936:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fedcm5-y-8U
Address at the bottom:
"Anni Taipale, Äänekoski, Parantala, Niemelän talo (Niemelä's farm)"
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Some more information has come to light - from the National Archives of Finland! ;D
In the record of the Finnish Red Cross there are register cards for the Finnish seamen who were as internees during the WWII. Unfortunately, I did not found a card for Reino Nyrönen. However, I did found a military record card for him. Reino Julius Nyrönen was born 12.4.1915 in Äänekoski. In the military record card it says that he was at sea 1935-1945. He is also mentioned in the list of seamen at the Kotka shipping office 1936-1937.
I also checked the card indexes of personal cards in the record of the Security police. There is a personal card for Reino Julius Nyrönen. According to this card Reino was an internee in England and was returned to Finland on the 19th of December 1944.
I don't suppose it's possible to get any more details from the Security Police?
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I don't think you'll have much luck with the Security Police. They're involved with intelligence, anti-terrorism, things like that.
Also, jamcat was correct, that was an address: Parantala in the parish of Äänekoski. Unfortunately there aren't any online records at the site I mentioned for that parish.
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After months of inactivity, my lady friend from the FHS has received 2 emails from Finnish Archives in a week! ;D
The first I posted before; the archivist added the following information:
He returned to Turku harbor. The internees were transported from England to Stockholm and from there by sea to Turku. The name of the ship was Heimdall.
Reino’s sisters name was Mirjam Nyrönen (in 1944) and his wife’s name was Laila Nyrönen. According to his military record card he belonged to the parish of Helsingin pitäjä, which is nowadays Vantaa parish.
So, now some names to go on?
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UPDATE!
2 cousins of Reino have been traced through a Finnish website ;D
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Great news. Being persistent has paid off.