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I have a good marriage - 1822 to Mary Rice, Whitechapel
1841 census (Class: HO107; Piece: 691; Folio: 11; Page: 14;) - Bethnal Green, living with Mary, 8 children
(it says that George, Mary the wife and Mary the daughter are from Ireland)
1851 census (Class: HO107; Piece: 691; Book: 7; Folio: 11; Page: 14) - Bethnal Green, widower, 4 of the younger children still with him.
I have a death (from the GRO index)
RAYDEN, GEORGE 69
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 359
calc: 1863-69=1794
which looks like him.
But I can't find his 1861 census entry. I've tried via Ancestry, FindMyPast, familysearch to no avail.
BugBear
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widower, 4 of the younger children still with him.
Have you found his children in 1861? How old would the youngest have been?
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There's a poor law order of removal entry for
George Rayden age 70 in 1862
Poor law union Bethnal Green
What occupation did yours have? This one is "fellowship porter"
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there's a George Rayden burial record at tower Hamlets cemetery on 12 Apr 1863 address Dalgliesh street
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Just about to post that Millipede - address then was 10 Holybush place, so he was probably there in 1861 if that address can be found.
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widower, 4 of the younger children still with him.
Have you found his children in 1861? How old would the youngest have been?
I've found some of them, and I'm about to start working through their marriages - which (if I can get the full PR) include details of the father.
Mary Ann (the oldest) married Edward Peploe in 1845.
BugBear
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There's a poor law order of removal entry for
George Rayden age 70 in 1862
Poor law union Bethnal Green
What occupation did yours have? This one is "fellowship porter"
That's a match for George's occupation in the 1862 marriage of Charles Rayden. :)
BugBear
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Just about to post that Millipede - address then was 10 Holybush place, so he was probably there in 1861 if that address can be found.
That's the address for his 1851 census, and the 1841 address is (just) Holly Bush Place with no house number.
This is all good data.
BugBear
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All fits with the 1851 - here are the full details of that to save us keep asking for childrens ages/occupation/etc
Hollybush Lane
Bethnal green
George Raydon 60 wid corn porter bn Beth G
JAmes 17
George 12
Charles 11
Sarah 13
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Marriage for James in 1852 has father George fellowship porter.
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There's a poor law order of removal entry for
George Rayden age 70 in 1862
Poor law union Bethnal Green
What occupation did yours have? This one is "fellowship porter"
And it names his parents... ;D
BugBear
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The George Rayden who was buried on April 12th 1863 aged 71 has an address of Dalgleish Street, Limehouse. The orders of removal say his sister was living in Limehouse.
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The 1861 census has the highest incidence of lost records and it looks like the area that George was living in 1851 is probably amongst the missing in 1861.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=1861+missing+bethnal+green
Debra :)
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dalgleish street doesn't come up on address search nor does Lowell street next to it, so very likely a lost record
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he was baptised 30 sep 1792 in Whitechapel born July 18th s/o James and Elizabeth of Tongue,s Yard
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older sister Mary bapt 22 Feb 1789 Witechapel, abode White's Yard
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Mary Rayden married first John Barnett in Bethnal green on 18 May 1807, then Benjamin Newport on 14 Feb 1841 in Whitechapel. In the intervening years she had learned to sign her name.
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dalgleish street doesn't come up on address search nor does Lowell street next to it, so very likely a lost record
OK - so there may very well be no 1861 census to find, and in the meantime George has "found" siblings and parents.
RESULT! :)
(and my thanks to all)
BugBear
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In case anyone was wondering:
http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/f.html gives:
Fellowship Porter
A kind of uniformed bonded messenger, vetted for honesty etc before admission to the Guild of Fellowship Porters, to whom they were accountable. You could trust your valuables to them for transport from your London office to another warehouse, shop or office
BugBear
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There's a poor law order of removal entry for
George Rayden age 70 in 1862
Poor law union Bethnal Green
What occupation did yours have? This one is "fellowship porter"
From that document, his father was James, his Elder sister Mary.
On George's wedding to Mary Rice (1822) the witness are James Rayden and Mary Rayden. :)
BugBear