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Hello all! I am at my wit's end trying to determine the parents of this particular George Errington; I have posted my query on this board because various snippets on line indicate THIS George Errington was born at "Hurst Castle, Mitford on Sea, Northumberland." Some sites further give an approximate birth date of 1555; his death date is certain as he was executed on orders of Queen Elizabeth I on 29 November 1596 at York. He was executed with three other men who were also Catholic. Some other information I have gleaned is that Wiki sites also aver that he was of "a minor gentry family of Bingfield, St. John Lee parish, Northumberland." Since his birth place is apparently at Hurst Castle, I am thinking that he might be connected somehow to the armiger Erringtons of both West Denton and/or Ponteland, Northumberland. Does any one have any ideas as to the parents of this George Errington may be? ANY ideas will be most welcomed. Thanks in advance! patrexjax
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The Hurst Castle referred to is at Milford on Sea in Hampshire, not Nothumberland, and is a coastal defence fort of the time of Henry VIII.
The Wikipedia entry for George Errington (q.v.) does say that he was "from the minor gentry branch of Bingfield, St John Lee, Northumberland" but I can find no information on the connection.
Maec
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https://www.british-history.ac.uk/search?query="george%20errington"
#3 - "Queen Elizabeth - 181: August 1585" - unfortunately requires subscription to view
#10 - "Cecil Papers: June 1600, 21-30" - can be viewed
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Hello MaecW and hanes teulu. The additional information on a second Hurst Castle is shocking; I understand there was/is a different structure in Northumberland called Hurst Castle, altho all accounts seem to indicate that it was hardly what one would call a castle; rather some sort of modified tower or such. A any rate, this new location might mean his family were in the military. Maecw, thank you for the link to the British papers; in the reference cited, I could not find any information about George's parents, altho I appreciate all leads at this point. Thank you both! Sincerely, patrexjax
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Hello all. Firstly, my apologies. I seem to have found another so-called "Hirst Castle" (note spelling variation from the first one cited earlier in this posting!) THIS particular Hirst Castle is/was apparently located in the Ashington area. One detailed description is from the website called "Gatehouse gazeteer " which I can't seem to post a link to..... :'( Yes, I am computer challenged. The Gatehouse website does indicate this was a Pele Tower which no longer exists and was built by the Third Lord Ogle, Ralph, and a manor house adjacent to it was thought to have been built by a Thomas Errington......This is the first detailed description I have found for this "Castle" and the variant spelling may be significant. ANY and ALL thoughts are welcomed!!! Sincerely, patrexjax
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It just says the executed George Errington was born Herst in Northumberland.
p.181
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=HQNeAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=death+warrant+%22George+Errington%22&source=bl&ots=LsJETL6YGI&sig=Dcrwev4dSfV2F-DyEvDpn3kOwOg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiyjJn-sYbdAhVIjqQKHVrnBn0Q6AEwEHoECAQQAQ
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Extract Foley (Records, vol. V, p.740) quotes a communication received from Lord Arundell, in which he attempts to present a pedigree of the Erringtons, but fails to show the connections of Ven. George Errington, merely stating that he “may fairly be treated as presumably a younger branch of the Erringtons of Errington.” The pedigree, as given, is not quite correct, and concerns mainly the Erringtons of Walwick Grange, with whom George Errington could only have been remotely connected.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-catholic-history/article/the-venerable-george-errington/1814EDAA0060B93FEBA8D622EC4DF941
"There was no apparent relationship between the Erringtons of Denton and the Erringtons of Hirst, but doubtless they claimed “cousinship.” "
Mark
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Hello BushInn1746 and thanks so very much for the additional information AND the links! patrexjax
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I presume you have seen the submitted entry on F/S.Org for George?
Brother GILBERT born c 1550 Errington and Beaufront, Northumberland
He died 1585 St Clement Eastcheap, London
Their Parents as JOHN Errington and unnamed BRANDLING
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Hello trish1120! Actually, I had NOT seen that entry!!!!!! ;D THANK You so very much. Sincerely, patrexjax
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Hello Christine and all who are following this thread.....This latest information that these Erringtons were from Beaufront has broken down this brick wall for me. Christine, you are a STAR!!! THANKS! Doing the happy dance! patrexjax
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Whos Christine?
Trish :)
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"Christine" threw me as well. Thought there might have been a PM somewhere?
Trish,
I note the F/S entry was "submitted".
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Me too, I thought a PM may have been the case.
Yes hanes teulu I did say it was submitted but hopefully It may be a guide to actual records :)
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I'd had a look at the entries under "submitted"*. The only reference to "Beaufront" and "Errington" I have spotted to date is page 107 of volume 10 of this series of publications -
https://www.electricscotland.com/northumberland/
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Hello all. Apologies for the delay in responding as well as muddying the water with "Christine." :'( Please call that a senior moment as I have no idea where that came from! Hearkening back once more, if I may, to that "submitted IGI" .... Assuming that the find of John Errington who married Elizabeth Brandling is correct.....From other undocumented sources, it appears that this John Errington was the son of Gilbert Errington and Joan/Jane Ridley. This brings us back to yet another Carnaby connection wherein an Anne Carnaby married a Nicholas Errington and were his parents. (Sorry, but these sketchy references do not give approximate dates or even parishes......) The history of Beaufront "Castle" does allude to not only an Ogle connection but also a Carnaby connection. How much of this is mere speculation or wishful thinking I don't know. At any rate, it certainly has sent me delving into some lines that do seem to have somewhat valid pedigrees on line. May I take this opportunity to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread? I REALLY appreciate everyone's comments and links. It will take some digging to try to piece this together......Most sincerely, patrexjax
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Hello
Regarding the places near to Beaufront Castle, The National Archives (TNA), Kew and those Archives who have made returns (lists) of documents they hold, to PRO, now TNA (note you may find other documents too at Archives in paper indexes and on their online search catalogue, not submitted in returns lists and at other Archives) ...
Unless stated search dates 1500 to 1900
Search of ... Errington Sandhoe ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=Errington%20Sandhoe&_dss=range&_sd=1500&_ed=1900&_ro=any&_st=adv
Search of ... Errington Hexham ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=Errington%20Hexham&_dss=range&_sd=1500&_ed=1900&_ro=any&_st=adv
Search of ... Errington Anick ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=Errington%20anick&_dss=range&_sd=1500&_ed=1900&_ro=any&_st=adv
Search of ... Errington Carnaby ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=Errington%20Carnaby&_dss=range&_sd=1500&_ed=1900&_ro=any&_st=adv
Search of ... Errington Ogle
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=Errington%20Ogle&_dss=range&_sd=1500&_ed=1900&_ro=any&_st=adv
Search of ... "George Errington" 1500 to 1700 ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ep=george%20Errington&_dss=range&_sd=1500&_ed=1700&_ro=any&_st=adv
If visiting to see original documents in an Archive, you will need to formally prove who you are with some official document which has your photograph e.g. Passport AND prove your current permanent address you live at.
Some places require a 'letter of Introduction' sent beforehand, fortunately I knew the Chairman of my Local History Society and he wrote to the University Special Collections.
Always best to enquire well in advance and also advise which documents are of interest, as some are stored offsite and also due to cuts in funding, many Archives require from 3 working days to one Month's notice to retrieve documents and some Archives now have very limited opening days/times.
It looks like some of the Erringtons kept the Solicitors, Counsel and Judges very busy!
Chancery Case Example
Several years ago, I had a Case, Nicholson v. Nicholson (from 1830 to 1838) photographed in digital colour at TNA, Kew (after paying the standard fee to get an Estimate), which consisted of five large sheets about a Gratrix. The Heir at Law was a child not old enough to inherit and the Trustees did not want to continue to administer the properties until the child came of age (Leaves were probably about 3 & 4 feet wide) and the 5 images were £40 (+ Estimate Fee).
The Judges ordered the properties be sold, which my 4 X Gt Grandfather acquired in 1838 according to Yorkshire Deed Registrations :D . The Case Leaves were most interesting about the previous owner's family and transcribing a Will too, but my ancestor was obviously unrelated to them and not mentioned ???
Mark
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Hello Bushinn1746, Thank you so much for the very compete listing of materials in the archives concerning Beaufront Castle and surrounding areas. Since I live in the US, personally going to Kew presents a problem for me. Perhaps with more digging on my part, I can narrow tings down more and perhaps will have to hire a paid researcher. In any case, I appreciate your comments AND the valuable information. Most sincerely, patrexjax
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Just a further thought, if George Errington was held as a recusant Catholic and then executed at York. York Castle was a Prison.
The Borthwick Institute at York (a Diocesan Archive too), as well as other Yorkshire Archives might have information? There was plenty of references attached to that summary in the link.
https://borthcat.york.ac.uk
In these cases there is sometimes seizure or sequestration of property too, or his property being granted to someone else after the ordering of an execution?
Mark
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Hello again Bushinn1746! I had a similar thought regarding York - his place of execution. Also, in addition to any of his lands being seized, perhaps there will be a record of the person who claimed his body???? Thanks so much for your continuing input.... Sincerely, patrexjax
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Hello
Narrowing down the documents, you think might be most useful (but no guarantee though).
To me ordering digital copies was cheaper than using a Researcher. If the Researcher had to read all five leaves, note down relationships, names and generally what the case was about, the £50 images cost wouldn't pay for 1 hour now at some Archives, some charge £30 per half hour.
Some Cemeteries have been cleared of headstones anyway and my 4 X Gt Grandfather and family graves are under a Car Park!
Errington's body may have been left hanging to rot away to frighten others, England was pretty awful back then if you were on the wrong side and singled out for persecution or execution.
Mark
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Hello again. Thanks for the research fees! I am in "over my head" but I did find a list on line of "proprietors in 1663 in Tindale Ward - Hexham which apparently includes Bingfield which was mentioned as a residence of this George Errington at some point. In 1663, there are three Erringtons in that Ward" William Errington ESQ, Mr. Richard Errington AND a Mr. Thomas Errington of Bingfield. That implies that the Errington family was able to keep ownership of Bingfield OR, at the very least, they were able to regain ownership within some 60 odd years of George's execution.....Your thoughts on this snippet of information???? (I know I am "grasping at straws" so to speak..). patrexjax
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Hello
If George Errington, Roman Catholic martyr, is a direct ancestor, he is the obvious place to start.
If he has been made a martyr more recently (even as late as the last Century), it is likely someone like a Catholic Archives or the Catholic Record Society (C.R.S.) will have researched him, put a history together (perhaps a file and printed history) and it is usual that document references will be given. You could try the C.R.S.?
This link I gave the other day seems to be a 1956 article which mentions George Errington (apparently with some document references, or original document references).
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-catholic-history/article/the-venerable-george-errington/1814EDAA0060B93FEBA8D622EC4DF941
If he were my relative, I would want to see anything published about him, what the C.R.S. has published or know, even a mention of a person in a publication can reveal documents and/or where held.
It might be, that someone has done some of the 'donkeywork' already publishing article/s, citing document references for their article/s. Looking at those original sources cited might reveal if an author quoted in full, or only a small part of the document.
Sometimes what an author felt insignificant and omitted, might be of interest or helpful to the Local or Family Historian.
Mark
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Hello again Bushinn1746! So far, my direct line is to the Erringtons of West Denton and Ponteland. Some of the surnames mentioned in connection with Hirst/Hurst Castle as well as Bingfield do have surnames that are also related to those Erringtons. It had seemed like it was going to be an easy link! :'( I have some errands to run, but I will take a look at the 1956 article which you have so kindly linked for me. Again, I want to thank you profusely for your advice and help! Sincerely, patrexjax
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Hello again Bushinn1746! So far, my direct line is to the Erringtons of West Denton and Ponteland.
Hello
Errington of West Denton (searched 1400 to 1700), all seem to be 17th Cent.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=errington%20west%20denton&_ep=West%20Denton&_dss=range&_sd=1400&_ed=1700&_ro=any&_st=adv
There is a 1655 Prerogative Court of Canterbury Will amongst the returns.
Errington of Ponteland [Cousin relation Delaval claimed to be mentioned? 1609]
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=errington%20ponteland&_ep=Ponteland&_dss=range&_sd=1400&_ed=1700&_ro=any&_st=adv
Mark
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Hello again! I happen to have fiche copies of the Ponteland/Pont de Island parish registers going back to the beginning in 1602. Surprisingly, for me, the very first entry which survived on a tattered page, is the following entry:" March 27, 1602: Isabella Errington, filias of Marci Errington ARMIGER of Pont Island." (My emphasis added.... That was the first clue I ever found about this particular family being possible gentry.....Also, I could be wrong, but I believe that this Ponteland branch/West Denton branch may have also been in the Walsington area of Northumberland. Also, whil spewing out trivia....some of the records say earlier Erringtons were from "Denton" as opposed to, say, West Denton??? Also,, a comment about footnote #29 on the Cambridge link.... Lancelot Errington who claims to have known George Errington only slightly....I am sure he would have said this as he probably knew the investigators were looking for additional persons to prosecute..... Anyway, sorry for throwing "more grist for the mill" into the mix......And, a question: do you think the person who made the parish entry indicating that Mark Errington was an armiger required some sort of "proof"??? Please forgive my ignorance on these matters and thanks! Sincrerely, patrexjax
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Hi patrexjax
Having seen your emails and replies re the Erringtons and that your family names include Widdrington I thought I'd join in discussion and see if there is a link to my Errington & Wddringtons. The period of interest to me is 1400-1700; to date I have the surnames joining twice once late 1500s & the other approx 100yrs later (may/may not be same branch).
The earliest Errington is Gilbert c1420 & Widdrington is William marrying Catherine Errington late 1600s - I do have names of earlier Wiidringtons but have not checked them all yet.
By the by I note that you have Ponteland parish registers - are there any Errington or Wiiddringtons apart from Mark & Isabella from 1600-1700?
Regards
Judith
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Hello iudith54 and thank you for your email expressing interest in my/our Errington and Widdrington families. I haven't looked at these lines in quite some time, but i have several "twigs" that I have not been able to link with certainty to some others in my tree One of the first is an elusive John Widdrington ESQ b abt 1510? in Hauxley, NBL who died abt 1575. He married Lucy Errington ho was born in Little Whittington, NBL. I have no information on their marriage and only know they had at least one child, Elizabeth Widdrington born abt 1573 who married Lancelot Horsely (1568 Brinkheugh died 1609. I have the Horsely line descendants but do not know anything of John and Lucy's parents. Insofaras my direct line, I do have an Errington/Widdrington marriage: John Errington (c.16561698) s of Major Gilbert Errington and Jane Reed, married abt 1678 to Dorothy Widdrington (c. 1659-1724) d of Edward Widdrington and Dorothy Horsley. This particular Errington family resided in Ponteland and I have exact christening dates for their eight children and many others from these families when they were in Ponteland.It would appear that this branch of the Widdringtons were living in Widdrington as early as about 1100 and I suspect John Widdrington may have married into the Bartram family as he named a son Bartram Widdrington! I hope I have answered some of your questions and, yes, be assured, there are additional Errington and Widdrington children born in Ponteland in your specified time frame. If you wish, I can try to send you some key family groupings to help you. Also, if there is a specific person with an approximate date in Ponteland you would like researched, please do not hesitate to ask. Sincerely, patrexjax.
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Morning Patrexjax, I happened to read a previous post and you had a Jane Ridley married to Gillbert Errington with a son John. Here is a link https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/768897 to a tree on geni.com of the above. I assume the information about the Ridley's has been sourec ed predominately form "History of the ancient Ryedales, and their descendants in Normandy, Great Britain, Ireland, and America, from 860 to 1884". My interest is in the Ridley's in NBL - there remained a connection between the Errington and Ridley families down the line, I have Ridley ancestors working at Errington Hall in St John Lee parish.
Regards
Catherine
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Hello Catherine! Yes, quite a bit of the sourcing was from your citation. In addition, my Nephew also looked at some pedigrees of the Errington family of the Denton area. Thank you so much for the Geni link; I do not have some of the people listed, so I am most appreciative of that. Sincrely, patrexjax
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Hi Patrexjax, if it was of any help, then you are most welcome.
Regards
Catherine
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Hi patrexjax & Catherine
I'll try to reply to you both - Catherine first as shorter!
Catherine
I have a Ridley connection to the Errington's i.e. marriage of Gilbert Errington to Jane Ridley (daughter of Nicholas) c1520 with 4 children but no exact dates for marriage or birth/baptisms - see https://archive.org/details/historyofnorthum04nort/page/188
patrexjax
i) John Widdrington - although I have 2 in my tree neither seem to be the the one mentioned.
ii) John Errington married to Dorothy Widdrington I do have. I knew Dorothy was daughter of Edward but not name of mother. John is the son of Gilbert and his first wife Dorothy Carnaby. My line descends through Gilbert and his 2nd wife Grace Rutherford. Children of Gilbert & Dorothy I have 5 children John, Thomas, Nicholas, Mary & Jane - but no dates of baptisms etc. Children of Gilbert & Grace - I have 6, all boys, Richard, Michael, Lancelot, Ralph, Gawen & William but again no dates of baptisms etc although believe they were all between 1597-1605.
If there are exact dates for any of Gilbert's 11 children for Gilbert himself or either of his wives would be brilliant - if not too much to ask - would be brilliant
I am away from early tomorrow (Thursday) to late Monday evening so if you are able to reply to me then I may not get the chance to respond
Family history can be very frustrating but finding new connections certainly makes up for it!
Best wishes to you Both
Judith - England
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Hello judith54!I am still digging into the various Erringtons I have. I was able to find a few snippets for you on your Gilbert Errington who married Dorothy Carnaby. It looks as tho your Gilbert (1534-1585) who had children by Dorothy Carnaby had a Nicholas b abt. 1559. Dates for the others are still a mystery. Insofar as your direct line which has Gilbert and his second wife has some approximate birth years which,on the surface, look helpful...Michael c. 1593; Richard c. 1595; Lancelot c. 1596; Ralph c. 1600; Gawen c 1603 and William c 1605. Sadly, I could not pinpoint location. In finding an Errington and Widdrington marriage, I seem to have also found two more instances of that happening: There is a Gilbert Errington, Knight, who married 6 Oct 1612 in Ryton, Durham Margaret Tempest. They had a son, Nicholas ch 25 Feb 1616 in Ponteland who married a Margaret Widdrington d of Roger Widdrington and Mary Radclyffe. Also, I think Gilbert and Margaret's daughter, Isabella who was chr 6 Jul 1618 in Ponteland married a Henry Widdrington. whose parentage has, thus far, escaped me.....here is a website on old rootsweb called "Fletcher of Cockermouth Hall, Cumberland, England" which details many people we are searching.....Have you seenit? Sorry I don't have more details for you, but I am still trying to find a link....... I THINK everyone seems to agree that "our" James Errington married a Dorothy Widdrington and James' Father was a Gilbert Errington, BUT which one? As we have learned, there are many Gilbert Erringtons in this time frame in the NBL area. Please let me hear back from you when you are able. Thanks! patrexjax
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Hirst Castle
Hodgson-Hinde does not mention any further evidence of the ownership of the estate until 1628 when William Errington of Hirst is listed as a freeholder of the county and again in 1663. Whether the transfer of ownership is by inheritance in the female line, or by sale is not stated. By 1854 the Duke of Portland was the landholder. He was a descendant of the Ogles.
The Errington family must have come into possession of Hirst castle at some before 1596. On the 29th of November of this year George Errington of Hirst was executed at York. He was convicted of treason and died by being hanged, drawn and quartered. He was considered to be part of the Uprising of the North taking place at the time. But specifically for having tried to convert a protestant priest to Catholicism. He was later honoured as a martyr by the Roman Catholic church. George Errington was originally from the minor gentry branch of Erringtons of Bingfield, St John Lee in Northumberland.
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patrexjax
ii) John Errington married to Dorothy Widdrington I do have. I knew Dorothy was daughter of Edward but not name of mother.
Judith - England
The Peerage of England vol 2, author Arthur Collins, published 1714
Page 93
"Edward Widdrington, brother and heir to Sir Henry Widdrington, married Ursula, daughter of Sir Reginald Carnaby, Knight, who had issue Sir Henry Widdrington, Ralph second son, and Roger, third son, of Cartington. in the County of Cumberland, father of Edward Widdrington, created a Baronet of Scotland, and after England, 16 CarI Anno 1642, which is now extinct; the daughters of Edward Widdrington, of Widdrington were first Agnes; second Dorothy married to Sir John Everingham(sic); and Catherine to Cuthbert Mallory, Esq."
Googling Edward Widdrington and Ursula Carnaby returned a number of "hits"
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As we have learned, there are many Gilbert Erringtons in this time frame in the NBL area.
The peerage of Ireland, John Lodge, published 1789 (page 230) mentions the marriage of a Gilbert Errington to a Dorothy.
A searchable version of this publication is available on line at google books
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Hello barryd and hanes teulu! Thanks so much for your input on this query. Thanks for the hints, tips and facts! Much appreciated. sincerely, patrexjax
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Hi patrexjax
Re your reply I agree the number of Gilbert Errington's is very confusing! Have you seen the link
https://archive.org/details/historyofnorthum04nort/page/188
I've been looking at other records but have decided to send this now rather than wait until I've looked at them all to show haven't forgotten you. Will try and reply fully within next few days - subject to tennis (French open), weather (gardening) and hospital visiting (close friend had stroke yesterday).
Judith
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Sorry patrexjax - not concentrating, realised already sent that link!
History of parliament has a bit more re Edward & Ursula https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/widdrington-sir-henry-1567-1623
Judith
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Hello judith54! Thank you forthe additional tid-bits....I appreciate your interest! Thank you! Sincerely, patrexjax