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Edward Couchman HUNTER. b.1853 in St Pancras, m.1875 to Ellen Blanche HOUGHTON. Both in 1881 census. Possibly sailed together to Sydney 1883.
Thereafter, he has vanished. No trace of death in Ancestry anywhere (unless he is one of seven Edward HUNTERs in BMD, who died in various (unexpected) parts of the UK.
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Possible birth registrations for children of the couple
HUNTER, MAY LOUISE mmn HOUGHTON
1878 Sept Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 647
HUNTER, JOHN LESLIE mmn HOUGHTON
1880 March Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 302
HENDERSON, RALPH mmn HOUGHTON
1882 December Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 945
HUNTER, EMILY DORIS mmn HOUGHTON
1883 March Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 286
HUNTER, WILFRID MORING mmn HOUGHTON
1884 Dec Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 264
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Ellen and children are in Islington in 1891
RG12 /143 f136 p36
1901 Ellen and children in Hackney - Ellen is a Manager of Millinery Establishment - Married
RG13 /216 f141 p9
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Are you certain they went to Sydney in 1883
Two of their children were baptised 1898
John Leslie Hunter born 24 jan 1880
Emily Doris Hunter b 9 Jan 1883
both baptised 1898
and daughter Emily Doris Hunter married 5 Apr 1904 Hackney to George Alexander Sawyer -she names Edward Couchman Hunter occ Iron Merchant as her father no mention of deceased and one of the witnesses was Ellen Blanche Hunter
???
Suz
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Thank you. Emily Doris was my grandmother. Her father Edward Couchman HUNTER is proving a brickwall. Was with his wife in 1881 census but may then have emigrated. I can't think of any other tools beyond Ancestry - and Rootschat that I have just joined!
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Ellen and daughter in Hove in 1911 - Ellen of private means - Married
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X719-HLD
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Hi
Ellen dies in Hove 1935 probate to daughter.
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On the ship Dharwar which arrived in Sydney 1st October 1883, both Edward and Ellen are listed as passengers. Their ages are a couple years 'out', but it may be a valid result in my search...
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Do you think he cleared off :-\
Edward Couchman Hunter
Marriage 13 Aug 1898
Event Place Addington, Durban, Natal, South Africa
Spouse's Name Eliza Jane White O'Connor
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DZ73-785?i=593&cc=2063749
He states he is a Widower
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Thanks, Rosie99. That's a revelation. I will investigate.
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Is it likely to be his son Edward, I have not tried tracking him.
Ignore that I see his middle name is Cyril
HUNTER, EDWARD CYRIL mmn HOUGHTON
1876 Sept Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 621
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Thanks again, Rosie99. I have now printed off the marriage cert in Durban. How did you manage to find the record in Family Search? I just tried various inputs, but no luck...
I don't suppose you have located his death - that would be the icing on the cake?
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From this page I just put in Edward Couchman Hunter
https://www.familysearch.org/search/hr/search
The top entries were his English birth and marriage followed by the SA marriage. I have not looked for a death yet
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To write off the Dharwar entry....
It reads Edward Hunter and Ellen A Hunter both 27 and from Lancashire.
Possibly Edward Hunter and Ellen Alice Isherwood who married in Preston Lancs in 1880.
His occupation was brickmaker.
Tazzie
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To write off the Dharwar entry....
It reads Edward Hunter and Ellen A Hunter both 27 and from Lancashire.
Possibly Edward Hunter and Ellen Alice Isherwood who married in Preston Lancs in 1880.
His occupation was brickmaker.
Tazzie
Thank you. I hadn't spotted the Lancashire bit
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From this page I just put in Edward Couchman Hunter
https://www.familysearch.org/search/hr/search
The top entries were his English birth and marriage followed by the SA marriage. I have not looked for a death yet"
// I have that now (it seems my IGI link was loading a different start-up screen). I see an Edward Hunter returned to Southampton on the 25th November 1908 on the Walmer Castle. There are 7 possible death locations for him on BMD. I have work to do, but today has been a Eureka day - thank you to all contributors.
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I have my Family search link take me straight to that page :)
Let us know if you locate his death
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It might be worth posting on the South Africa boards in case they can find deaths or other information for Edward & Eliza after their marriage.
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To write off the Dharwar entry....
It reads Edward Hunter and Ellen A Hunter both 27 and from Lancashire.
Possibly Edward Hunter and Ellen Alice Isherwood who married in Preston Lancs in 1880.
His occupation was brickmaker.
Tazzie
Thank you. I hadn't spotted the Lancashire bit
This WAS Ellen Alice Isherwood who married Edward Hunter. He died soon afterwards and she married my GtGt uncle so not your man.
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Edward Couchman HUNTER, b. 1853 in London ran off to Addington, Durban, Natal, and re-married bigamously in 1898. His new wife died in 1901. He spent a week in the Camden workhouse in 1909. Thereafter, he may have to-and-fro'd to Natal (various Passenger Lists may feature the same ECH), but there is no further trace any country. He was known as Edward Couchman and was an upholsterer from a wealthy family.
Where could he have ended up (a consultant in S Africa could find no further records)? Maybe someone has a clue?
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Did he have children with his first wife?
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Thank you for responding. Yes, he had five children, one of whom (Wilfrid) put him in the workhouse, but ECH was not in any 1911 census, even with the son Wilfrid.
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For info only
Just in case it help with Foreign records he was born 28.9.1853 parents Richard & Emily
Married Ellen Blanche Houghton on 28.9.1875 - his 22nd birthday
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Thank you for the response and information. Frustratingly, I have chapter-and-verse on him but cannot trace his death either in South Africa (which seemed to be a favourite location) or back home. He was a silly boy; at the time of his re-marriage, his father died (1898), leaving £4m to his grandchildren and others - but nothing to his wayward son. Interestingly, I have letters written (in 1973) by my parents saying "he ran off with a barmaid to Seychelles or Mauritius"; perhaps they did not know he ended up in Natal.
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I see there is another thread here - saves duplication of info. Will ask moderator to merge this post
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799200.0
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Ah, thank you. Yes, I had posted similar request a couple of years ago but felt a re-visit might help. Btw, If you can navigate your way in Ancestry to our public tree "HamiltonSawyer", you will see quite a volume of data.
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I think I have found your Edward Couchman Hunter. He changed his name to Charles Edward Couchman b 1852 in England and died 28/6/1935 aged 83 in Durban South Africa. He had a son with the same name. Here is his death notice https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS75-T9PZ-M?cc=2573604&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPCX-3TLZ
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Your discovery is absolutely fascinating. Thank you for the efforts in locating this death certificate. Clearly, I need to plug into Ancestry to see if there is evidence to support the possibility that he changed his name etc. Meanwhile, this has been quite a revelation!
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You welcome. I just typed Couchman as his surname in the South African National Archives and looked to see what came up. Strange the person you hired could not find it.
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Yes. I myself hadn't appreciated that ancestors did change their names - for all sorts of reasons. It looks like I have some way to go to find the death details for Edward Couchman HUNTER, who may now be called Charles Edward COUCHMAN. Grrr.
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Help sought from experienced Family Search users, please:
A long-standing brickwall was demolished, when a fellow researcher found the death information for my great-grandfather Edward Couchman HUNTER. He died in Durban in 1928, see link below:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91P-DQ8F-Z?cc=2721608&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A8LH1-SQN2
The problem is that I just cannot replicate this search on my own computer. I put in the (successful) data: Edward Couchman HUNTER, born in London 1853, death in Durban - and the result is always Zero. Is there a special technique with FS that I am missing?
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I have just tried it putting in Couchman as the first name and Hunter as the surname. For location I just put South Africa and up it popped.
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Strange. No result using this input field (which I often use):
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/igi
But, using this field, up it pops indeed !:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/
Thank you for shining a light. Any further guidance will be appreciated.
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I always start by using the basic search field. Pleased you could find it.
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If you are still looking for info, please contact me.
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hello, I appreciate this is quite an old thread, but thought I'd throw my hat into the ring, as Edward Couchman Hunter is my gg grandfather. My grandmother told me my actual surname was hyphenated, Couchman-hunter, but not much detail on why, as my grandfather, her first husband, Major Leonard Hunter was killed in WW2 and she had later remarried. Consequently I didn't know much about my Hunter ancestry. Edward is a bit of a mystery, and I haven't yet come across anyone who knows more of what was his history. My mother told me he was a black sheep, and possibly a gambler. He shows up at 449 Oxford St in the 1871 census, was it one of his father's premises? Oxford St numbering was altered in 1882 and I can't find out what the equivalent building would have been afterwards.