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Hi just wondering if any on can help please, Mary Lawton born Yorkshire. Baptised Silkstone with Stain borough. May also be Burgess. May also be Strutt. I know I'm asking a lot😩. Born sept 1901. Thank you inadvance
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I can't see a birth registration in North Riding in 1901 for a Mary Lawton. Who were her parents
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May also be Burgess. May also be Strutt.
Why the other 2 names? More information please
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It would also help to tell us exactly what you are looking for and what you already have so we don’t waste time duplicating info
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A little more information might help in the search. Lawton/Burgess/Strutt - BUT you state September 1901. Cryptic requests are NOT easy to fulfill. :-\
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So sorry didn't want to overload info, however all I have is:-
Mary Lawton ( her mothers maiden name) but was christened Burgess after mother wed Fred Burgess.and story has it she was born out of wedlock possibly Strutt. Hence all the names.
Mary's mother was Alice Lawton and Alice Lawton's mother was Elizabeth Ann Lawton but don't know who she married. This is all I have except Elizabeth Ann's mother was Phoebe Lawton.
Truly grateful for any help. Thanks
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Looking on Freebmd I can't see a Mary Lawton, Strutt or Burgess birth registered in NRY in 1901.
There could be a number of reasons why:
Somehow her birth was not registered
Freebmd has not covered this area yet
She was not born in 1901
There were spelling variations of the surname
She was not born in NRY .... :-\
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Was Mary’s birth registered as Lawton or Burgess?
Any father named on her birth cert or marriage cert?
When did her mother marry Burgess?
When was she christened and was Fred shown as her father at that time?
Where does Strutt come from? If you are trying to determine if he was her biological father you will struggle unless he is named on either her birth or marriage cert
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Have you looked at the 1911 entry? How can you say her birth was registered in NRY given her birthplace? Her birth was registered as Lawton in the Dec qtr 1901 in Hunslet which is WRY
I have asked the moderator to move this post to the WRY board
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Silkstone is near Barnsley, which is West Yorkshire, not North.
Try looking in Barnsley for details.
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So sorry didn't want to overload info, however all I have is:-
Mary Lawton ( her mothers maiden name) but was christened Burgess after mother wed Fred Burgess.and story has it she was born out of wedlock possibly Strutt. Hence all the names.
Mary's mother was Alice Lawton and Alice Lawton's mother was Elizabeth Ann Lawton but don't know who she married. This is all I have except Elizabeth Ann's mother was Phoebe Lawton.
Truly grateful for any help. Thanks
Is this the christening?
Mary Burgess
Birth Date - 25 Feb 1901
Baptism Date - 2 Feb 1902
Baptism Place - Silkstone with Stainborough, All Saints, Yorkshire, England
Father Fred Burgess - Trade or Profession- Traveller
Mother Alice Burgess -
Abode - Silkstone Common
In 1911 Alice is a widow as born 'Silkstone' and Mary is as born 'Leeds'.
Note - Silkstone was in the West Riding, near Barnsley
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Marriage
Fred Burgess
Alice Lawton
1901
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Hunslet [Leeds]
Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 482
Births
Dec 1901
LAWTON Mary
Hunslet 9b 236
Couldn't find birth registration for a Mary 'Burgess' in the area
So it looks possible that Mary was born illegitimate in Feb 1901, Hunslet, Leeds. Fred and Alice then married in Oct-Nov-Dec 1901, Hunslet and around the same time as the marriage they registered, quite late, Mary's birth in Hunslet.
Mary was then christened in Silkstone in 2 Feb 1902
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Thank you for great info. sallyyorks. I am trying to help a relative(by marriage) who lives in Canada it is her relatives/grandparents etc and unfortunately no one alive to ask those all important questions.
I may be able to move on with your info, thanks once again.
Thank you also CaroleW. the name Strutt came from a story told down the line that he may possibly be the father but this sadly cant be confirmed.
sorry about the "Cryptic request" but im a bit of a novice.
mrsruz I am aware Silkstone is near Barnsley which as you say is West Yorkshire I put it in North Yorkshire request because I 'could'nt see Barnsley, but thank you once again.
Thank you also Ruskie for your info (not sure what NRY stand for tho ) :)
Thanks all for your time and trouble much appreciated.
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... I am trying to help a relative(by marriage) who lives in Canada it is her relatives/grandparents etc and unfortunately no one alive to ask those all important questions.
Do you have the marriage info for Fred and Alice?, at St Silas, Hunslet on the 12th of November 1901
Interestingly one of the witnesses is a 'Tom Strutt'
No father is named at the marriage for Alice. Is it possible that the family story about there being a 'Strutt father/relative' was about Alice, and not Mary?
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Sallyyorks the name Strutt comes from Phoebe Lawton who married Thomas Strutt date ???and by what I can gather. She had a daughter the said Elizabeth Ann Lawton. B 1868 out of wedlock and I think I found E. Ann on ancestry last (late) night living with her grandparents Edward & Mary Lawton aged 3. Elizabeth Ann Lawton/Strutt is the living relatives who im trying to help 2x great grandmother if I and all info is correct!!.
I do seem to be stuck in finding who Elizabeth Ann Lawton/Strutt b 1868 married :( onwards and upwards . Thanks again .
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Sallyyorks the name Strutt comes from Phoebe Lawton who married Thomas Strutt date ???and by what I can gather. She had a daughter the said Elizabeth Ann Lawton. B 1868 out of wedlock and I think I found E. Ann on ancestry last (late) night living with her grandparents Edward & Mary Lawton aged 3. Elizabeth Ann Lawton/Strutt is the living relatives who im trying to help 2x great grandmother if I and all info is correct!!.
I do seem to be stuck in finding who Elizabeth Ann Lawton/Strutt b 1868 married :( onwards and upwards . Thanks again .
There is an Alice Strutt on the 1891 census, age 7, born 1884 Silkstone.
'Grandaughter' of Tom (coal miner) and Phoebe Strutt, but yes, it seems she is known as Alice Lawton in other records.
1901 she is with Tom and Phoebe as well
Grandparents giving a young Grandchild their surname, on the census, is something I have come across before though.
Alice Lockwood Lawton
Age: 5
Baptism
Birth Date 4 Feb 1884
Baptism Date 4 Apr 1889
Baptism Place Silkstone with Stainborough, All Saints, Yorkshire, England
Mother Elizabeth Ann Lawton
I wonder where the 'Lockwood' middle name comes from?. It was quite common in Yorkshire to use family surnames as forenames. Lockwood here does seem to be the middle name
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'Lockwoods' !
1881 Census
Armitage Bridge
Huddersfield
William Eastwood Lockwood age 62 - Butcher
Emma Lockwood 52
Edward Wm. Lockwood 24 - Architect
Frederick Lockwood 19 - Architect
Susannah Lockwood 59
Edward Lockwood 53 - Butcher [brother of William]
Elizabeth Ann Lawton age 13 born 1868 Dodworth [near Silkstone] - Servant
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Sallyyorks please don't ask me how I know as the story was told to me many years ago (possibly by one of my hubbys elderly Aunts) but the Lockwood story was.... that Elizabeth Ann Lawton worked for the Lockwood Butchers that you have found and one of the sons bit later in E.Anns life (as I think she is only 13 on the census you mention which I looked at last night) got her pregnant and kicked her out hence the birth out of wedlock of Alice Lawton !!!!! not 100% on this but........ (or it could have even been the head of the household :-[ but it did happen. (hope I'm alright to put this on here if not please delete it.
I am still trying to figure out who Elizabeth Ann Lawton married or did she ??? I think I have found Alice Lawton who married Fred Burgess having children by a Albert Hustler (all names I have mentioned are deceased) a Frank, Madge and a Joan and then there was Mary b1901 possible father Strutt who went on to have out of wedlock another Elizabeth Ann b 1920 then she had others (still alive) with Ernest Heartwell. my head is splitting :D
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Sallyyorks please don't ask me how I know as the story was told to me many years ago (possibly by one of my hubbys elderly Aunts) but the Lockwood story was.... that Elizabeth Ann Lawton worked for the Lockwood Butchers that you have found and one of the sons bit later in E.Anns life (as I think she is only 13 on the census you mention which I looked at last night) got her pregnant and kicked her out hence the birth out of wedlock of Alice Lawton !!!!! not 100% on this but........ (or it could have even been the head of the household :-[ but it did happen. (hope I'm alright to put this on here if not please delete it.
I am still trying to figure out who Elizabeth Ann Lawton married or did she ??? I think I have found Alice Lawton who married Fred Burgess having children by a Albert Hustler (all names I have mentioned are deceased) a Frank, Madge and a Joan and then there was Mary b1901 possible father Strutt who went on to have out of wedlock another Elizabeth Ann b 1920 then she had others (still alive) with Ernest Heartwell. my head is splitting :D
It looks like the story might be true, probably one of the sons? Sad if they kicked her out, and what with those sons sitting pretty as 'Architects' as well >:(
I haven't found a marriage for Elizabeth either. Maybe she didn't marry after all
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...my head is splitting :D
Well, yes :) I am not surprised!
Mary Lawton born illegitimate 1901 to Alice Lawton
Alice 'Lockwood' Lawton born illegitimate 1884 to Elizabeth Ann Lawton
Elizabeth Ann 'Helliwell' Lawton baptised illegitimate to Phebe Lawton
Elizabeth Anne Helliwell Lawton
Baptism Date: 11 Sep 1867
Baptism Place: Dodworth, St John the Baptist, Yorkshire, England
Mother Phebe Lawton a single woman
But luckily! at least they left some clues in the middle names ;)
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I do seem to be stuck in finding who Elizabeth Ann Lawton/Strutt b 1868 married :( onwards and upwards.
This looks like her.
Nov 12th,1888, Holy Trinity Church, Huddersfield
William Ashworth, 24, police constable, father John Ashworth a farmer
Elizabeth Ann Lawton, 21, father George Lawton a butcher.
1891, Berry Brow, Almondbury. RG12; Piece: 3563; Folio: 99; Page: 28
William Ashworth 26, policeman, Pontefract
Elizabeth A Ashworth 23, Dodworth
Edith Ashworth 1, Huddersfield
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Elizabeth Ann 'Helliwell' Lawton baptised illegitimate to Phebe Lawton
Nov 12th,1888, Holy Trinity Church, Huddersfield
William Ashworth, 24, police constable, father John Ashworth a farmer
Elizabeth Ann Lawton, 21, father George Lawton a butcher.
There is a George Helliwell, butcher born Silkstone, but whether he's Elizabeth Ann Lawton's father - we may never know.
1871, Higham, Barugh, Barnsley
George Helliwell 45, Silkstone, Butcher
Ellen Helliwell 23, wife, Dodworth
Anne Helliwell 1, Dau, Dodworth
Joseph Helliwell 81, Boarder, Dodworth, Formerly Butcher
Sarah Helliwell 61, Boarder Dodworth
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Thank you libby9 for your valuable info will look into it.
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sallyyorks I think you have hit the nail on the head :D. Please tell me where you got this info was it FBMD ? . no wonder my hubbys elderly Aunt once said "don't ask questions there best left alone" Its a shame that that era found it so shaming lets face it its still going on I was born out of wedlock (I'm 69) but it doesen't bother me its just handy for " inherited Illnesses" in my eyes :D :D.
Thank you once again.
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Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
Lawton Mary Ashton 8d 480 Scan available - click to view
Lawton Mary Ann Halifax 9a 462 Scan available - click to view
Lawton Mary Hannah Wolstanton 6b 88 Scan available - click to view
Lawton Mary Hannah Barnsley 9c 250
??? ??? ??? ???
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sallyyorks I think you have hit the nail on the head :D. Please tell me where you got this info was it FBMD ? . no wonder my hubbys elderly Aunt once said "don't ask questions there best left alone" Its a shame that that era found it so shaming lets face it its still going on I was born out of wedlock (I'm 69) but it doesen't bother me its just handy for " inherited Illnesses" in my eyes :D :D.
Thank you once again.
I used a mixture of freebmd and the familysearch site and ancestry.co.uk. (free weekend)
I have a lot of illegitimacy in my tree. Two of my Gt Grandmothers were illegitimate.
I don't think illegitimacy was that uncommon and especially in Yorkshire for some reason :o
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Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
Lawton Mary Ashton 8d 480 Scan available - click to view
Lawton Mary Ann Halifax 9a 462 Scan available - click to view
Lawton Mary Hannah Wolstanton 6b 88 Scan available - click to view
Lawton Mary Hannah Barnsley 9c 250
??? ??? ??? ???
Mary was born - 25 Feb 1901.
She is with Alice in 1911, as born 'Hunslet' (Leeds)
(reply #9 and #10)
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Sorry, bad eyes.