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Title: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: SFWLiff on Sunday 26 August 18 15:36 BST (UK)

Florence Willmore (or FW as I know her, 'cos I'm fed up writing out the whole name 100s of times) was my grandmother, who had a son Lawrence (or Laurence as he came to be known in late life, acc. to his marriage licence), born 27/12/1920 in Stockton-on-Tees in the Workhouse. His birth cert. states that no father was acknowledged and that FW was a domestic servant at Woodhouse Close, a farm complex west of Bishop Auckland. FW lived in Bishop Auckland in the 50s and 60s (I was there  on holiday several times between 1960 and 1967) and I remember my dad (Laurence) going to her funeral some time after that. Unfortunately I can't find her death anywhere, as I don't know which FW is my gran, and I can't get back any earlier than Dec.1920. My mother's side of the family is traceable back to 1800 and I'd like to even up the picture if possible. Can anyone please help me with this brick wall ?
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 26 August 18 15:55 BST (UK)
Hello

Do you know when FW was born?  Her birth registration may show a mothers maiden name if her own parents were married.

Did she ever marry that you know of? 
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 26 August 18 15:58 BST (UK)
Welcome to rootschat

Is there any chance that she married after Lawrence was born  :-\  Was he brought up by her.

Marriage Dec qtr 1921   
Savage    Richard H    (spouse Willmore)   
Willmore    Florence    (spouse Savage)   
Stockton    10a   172
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 26 August 18 16:00 BST (UK)
Has Laurence passed away?

With his date of birth it's possible to check the 1939 register to see if he appears with his mother to get her exact date of birth to move forward (or backwards!)
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 26 August 18 16:01 BST (UK)
Welcome to rootschat

Is there any chance that she married after Lawrence was born  :-\  Was he brought up by her.

Marriage Dec qtr 1921   
Savage    Richard H    (spouse Willmore)   
Willmore    Florence    (spouse Savage)   
Stockton    10a   172

FreeBMD shows 5 Savage births with mother’s maiden name Willmore or Wilmore in Stockton registration direct, 1922-1934.

One of them, Leonard Savage b 1922, looks likely to have died in Stockton district in 1933.
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 26 August 18 16:05 BST (UK)
Welcome to rootschat

Is there any chance that she married after Lawrence was born  :-\  Was he brought up by her.

Marriage Dec qtr 1921   
Savage    Richard H    (spouse Willmore)   
Willmore    Florence    (spouse Savage)   
Stockton    10a   172

Likely birthdate for this Florence is 12 January 1900.
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 26 August 18 16:08 BST (UK)
Florence Charlotte Savage
Death Age   83
Birth Date   12 Jan 1900
Death Reg Date   Sep 1983
Registration district Cleveland
3 / 2532
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 26 August 18 16:09 BST (UK)
Yes that ties in with a birth in Mar 1900 Middlesboro'

Willmore Florence Charlotte

Mothers maiden name Chillmaid
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 26 August 18 16:38 BST (UK)
One of them, Leonard Savage b 1922, looks likely to have died in Stockton district in 1933.

That is interesting,  I had wondered if he was still with family before WW2 so he can be discounted  :)
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 26 August 18 16:41 BST (UK)
One of them, Leonard Savage b 1922, looks likely to have died in Stockton district in 1933.

That is interesting,  I had wondered if he was still with family before WW2 so he can be discounted  :)

Yes, I wonder whether Lawrence might have been with them then.
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 26 August 18 16:46 BST (UK)
Another early death: Maurice Savage mmn Willmore, birth reg Mar qtr 1929 Stockton, died aged 7 in 1936.
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 26 August 18 16:52 BST (UK)
Of the surviving Savage children:

Harold Savage born 13 Mar 1925 died in Stockton in 2004
Dora Savage born 20 Sep 1927 married John H Edwards in 1949 and died in Cleveland in 1978
George William Savage born 15 Jun 1934 died in Cleveland in 1989
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 26 August 18 16:59 BST (UK)
Of the surviving Savage children:

Harold Savage born 13 Mar 1925 died in Stockton in 2004
Dora Savage born 20 Sep 1927 married John H Edwards in 1949 and died in Cleveland in 1978
George William Savage born 15 Jun 1934 died in Cleveland in 1989

Glad to see the Cleveland reg district connection  :)
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 26 August 18 17:00 BST (UK)
Dundee Courier, Fri 7 Jan 1949
Marriages
Willmore-Stuart - At Dundee, on 6 Jan 1949, Lawrence Willmore, Bishop Auckland, Durham, to Elizabeth Margaret Stuart, youngest daughter of the late Mr George Stuart and Mrs Stuart, 5 Garland Place, Dundee.

The 1939 register includes 1 closed entry. Finding Lawrence's death might lead to this record being opened?
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 26 August 18 17:34 BST (UK)
Death Registration
Elizabeth Margaret Willmore, born 5 Nov 1919, died 12 Sep 2011, registration district Southampton,
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 26 August 18 17:42 BST (UK)
I expect OP has the information on their parents, they are after 'grandma'
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 26 August 18 17:44 BST (UK)
There is a will recorded for Elizabeth Margaret Willmore -
htttps://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Scotlands People has a birth registration, 1919, Muthill for an Elizabeth Margaret Stuart
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 26 August 18 17:46 BST (UK)
I expect OP has the information on their parents, they are after 'grandma'
I'm just trying to establish a link to the 1939 closed entry.
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 28 August 18 07:36 BST (UK)
Hi SFWLiff

I see you have been on here since the last comment was posted on Sunday.  Are you able to give any comments on the questions we have asked in order that we can help you find Florence. 

Do you think it is possible she may have married.

Where was Lawrence living in 1939, what was his date of birth
Title: Re: The mysterious Florence Willmore
Post by: dave-the-rave on Tuesday 04 September 18 21:16 BST (UK)
Hi SFWLiff

I see you have been on here since the last comment was posted on Sunday.  Are you able to give any comments on the questions we have asked in order that we can help you find Florence. 

Do you think it is possible she may have married.

Where was Lawrence living in 1939, what was his date of birth
hi i have just joined back on to roots chat i started first time about 2011 but forgot one of my log on details but in my family search i have florence in my family tree so will look through my papers soon and post some detaily thanks dave