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Title: James and William Brittle
Post by: dawnyj on Sunday 26 August 18 19:01 BST (UK)
Hope someone can help. I am trying to find the mothers name of James Brittle born Sedgley in 1855 and am hitting a bit of a wall.
His fathers name was William and his spouse Was Jane Marsh father Daniel. I cant find anything pertaining to Mother. I believe that Sedgley could be Staffordshire or possibly Worcestershire and am having a look myself but struggling.

Any help or advice greatly appreciated
Dawn
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: heywood on Sunday 26 August 18 19:07 BST (UK)
Hello,
GRO shows no mother’s maiden name so perhaps he was illegitimate.
Have you found him in censuses?

Heywood
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: chempat on Sunday 26 August 18 23:30 BST (UK)
If his Mother married after his birth, then he may show on censuses (until his marriage) under his new 'father's' surname, and/or William may be an invented name.

Get his birth certificate for Mother's name?
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: cath151 on Monday 27 August 18 06:51 BST (UK)
Looking for Brittles in Sedgely in 1851 and whittling down names by age there is a Betsey Brittle born 1839 ( family name sometimes Brettle) living in Sedgley with parents Richard and Sarah. Richard is a Canal labourer ,
In 1861 Richard and Sarah are still living in Sedgely and they have a visitor Sarah Marsh aged 6.
RG09/2041  60/18
Probably a coincidence
Cathy
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 August 18 08:01 BST (UK)
There is a marriage 1860
William Flavell and Betsy Brettell St Thomas, Dudley

This is possibly them in 1861 2047/26/14

William Flavel 24 yrs
Elizabeth Flavel 22 yrs
Both born Sedgley
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: dawnyj on Wednesday 29 August 18 14:20 BST (UK)
The mention of Flavell with Brittle is intriguing as my Gr Grandmother Sarah Ellen Brittle married John Flavell. So there is a family Brittle/Flavell thing going on

Thanks to you all for the help with the research

Dawn
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 29 August 18 16:24 BST (UK)
He is difficult to trace before 1881  :-\

Did you send for the birth certificate?
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 29 August 18 16:31 BST (UK)
There is a 6yr old male inmate,  ‘J B’ b Dudley in Dudley Workhouse, Sedgley.

1861 2047/76/3
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: dawnyj on Sunday 02 September 18 16:41 BST (UK)
I have now got more questions than answers
Birth cert names Mother only as Ann Brittle

There is a marriage record where he cites William Brittle as father... I am now very confused as wht or where to go next.
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: heywood on Sunday 02 September 18 16:58 BST (UK)
More than likely he will have invented his father.
Sometimes people use a grandfather/stepfather's name and occupation which can help.
Is there an address?

Heywood
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: dawnyj on Sunday 02 September 18 17:18 BST (UK)
More than likely he will have invented his father.
Sometimes people use a grandfather/stepfather's name and occupation which can help.
Is there an address?

Heywood

Nothing other than Gospel End Sedgley
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: heywood on Sunday 02 September 18 17:25 BST (UK)
1851 2030/13/18

Gospelend Street Sedgley

John Bittle   66 yrs Sawyer b Sedgley
Mary Brittle 64 yrs b
Ann Brittle   daur 19 yrs Dressmaker b Sedgley

I can’t read mum’s birthplace - transcribed as Euvil.
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: heywood on Sunday 02 September 18 17:28 BST (UK)
The family are at the same address in 1841 with more children.
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: osprey on Sunday 02 September 18 17:55 BST (UK)
It's possible that Ann married William Parks

1861 Gospelend St RG9/2046 folio 14 pg 21
William Parks head mar 30 labourer at iron works
Ann wife 29
Richard son 6
John G? son 4
Mary dau 1
John Brittle father-in-law widower 76 sawyer
all born Sedgely

Not that I've found a marriage or birth regs so far...
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: osprey on Sunday 02 September 18 18:09 BST (UK)
ok, found the marriage

Ann Brettle june qtr 1854 Dudley vol 6c pg 88 with William Parkes on the same page

birth
Richard Parkes march qtr 1855 Dudley vol 6c pg 85 mmn Brittle, so before the birth of James Brittle to an unmarried Ann.

Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: osprey on Sunday 02 September 18 18:43 BST (UK)
possible for Ann in 1871
9 Gospelend Rd RG10/3005 folio 16 pg 4
William Bullock head mar 38 labourer
Ann wife 35
William B son 15

marriage reg
William Bullock dec qtr 1865 Dudley vol 6c pg 14 with Ann Brittle on the same page

1881 46 Gospelend Rd RG11/2869 folio 35 pg 14
Ann Bullock head widow 44 laundress
Hannah Pool widow 68
Mary Ann Marsh 15 laundress
Joseph Brettle grandson 6
all born Sedgely
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: osprey on Sunday 02 September 18 18:49 BST (UK)
birth reg for grandson Joseph

Joseph Brettle june qtr 1874 Dudley vol 6c pg 92 mmn Marsh

marriage reg James Brettle june qtr 1873 Dudley vol 6c pg 65 with Jane Marsh on the same page.

 ;)
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: heywood on Sunday 02 September 18 19:22 BST (UK)
The family are at the same address in 1841 with more children.

Sorry, I was looking at a different Brittle  family  but have them now.

1841 998/ 23/ 14

Gospelend Street
John Brittle 55 yrs Sawyer
Mary 50 yrs
Ann 9 yrs
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: osprey on Sunday 02 September 18 19:43 BST (UK)
isn't that the Ann who marries William Parkes? Think we're after the one who married William Bullock in 1865 and has grandson Joseph with her in 1881. Joseph is with his parents James & Jane in 1891 in Darlaston RG12/2245 folio 18 pg 29.
Title: Re: James and William Brittle
Post by: heywood on Sunday 02 September 18 19:55 BST (UK)
Oh I see. I was carried away with the Carpenter and the Sawyer.

I had seen your 1861 Ann Parkes and then 1871  Ann Bullock and thought you meant she had just changed husbands  ::) sorry.

I can follow the later censuses.