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Title: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: bscott75 on Monday 27 August 18 14:06 BST (UK)
I am trying to find information on the following illegitimate children, born in Rothesay to my ancestor:
Margaret Pritchard, born on 28 May 1870.
And twins Jessie and Jeanie Pritchard born on 20 August 1872.
Their mother was Janet Pritchard, who was from Coatbridge (born 1836). No father can be found in the Kirk session minutes.
Margaret Pritchard was in the Rothesay Industrial School in 1881. She died in Rothesay in 1894.
Jessie Pritchard (by then known as Janet) was in a poorhouse in Glasgow 1891, for two months, but was fetched by her mother and taken back to Rothesay.
The twins later married. Jeanie married William Faulds, and Jessie/Janet married Thomas Hamilton
Family anecdotal information is that the father was an aristocrat, so perhaps that is why it is close to impossible to find any information. Or perhaps the old family story is not true.
Can anyone please advise me where else I can look for the name of the father of the three girls? I would really like to complete that circle for them on their behalf.
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 August 18 22:28 BST (UK)
If no father is named on their birth, marriage or death certs - then there is no way you will find out.

Have you considered you may be looking for 2 different fathers?

Where are Janet & Margaret in 1871?  1861 has Janet in Renfrewshire - born Old Monkland 
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: bscott75 on Monday 27 August 18 22:37 BST (UK)
The mother Janet is working as a servant in Rothesay, and the baby Margaret is boarding with a woman in Rothesay.
I agree, there may be two fathers involved.
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 August 18 22:43 BST (UK)
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The twins later married. Jeanie married William Faulds, and Jessie/Janet married Thomas Hamilton

Any father shown on either marriage cert?
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 August 18 22:50 BST (UK)
From FS - no fathers name shown

Name    Margaret Pritchard
Birth Date    28 May 1870
Birthplace    ROTHESAY,BUTE,SCOTLAND
Mother's Name    Janet Pritchard

Name    Jessie Pritchard
Birth Date    20 Aug 1872
Birthplace    ROTHESAY,BUTE,SCOTLAND
Mother's Name    Janet Pritchard

Name    Jeanie Pritchard
Birth Date    20 Aug 1872
Birthplace    ROTHESAY,BUTE,SCOTLAND
Mother's Name    Janet Pritchard
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: bscott75 on Monday 27 August 18 23:37 BST (UK)
Yes, thanks Carole. I have that information.
And I have their marriage records and death notices. No father/s mentioned.
I am hoping (probably against all hope!!) that there is some information to be found somewhere else.
 
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 August 18 23:52 BST (UK)
No fathers named on any document so their mother took that secret to her grave
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: whiteout7 on Tuesday 28 August 18 07:35 BST (UK)
If you really want to know this pay site covers them

https://www.oldscottish.com/rothesay.html

Do the certificates on Scotlands people have RCE numbers on them, because then the father(s) might be mentioned on the back of the certificates.

So until we see what this site has who knows? If no names then you don't pay :)
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: Wendy2305 on Tuesday 28 August 18 08:39 BST (UK)
If there is a RCE it will be attached to the birth entry on Scotlands People and is free to download with the birth entry
I checked Old Scotlands list and the 3 Pritchard girls are on it so s father must be recorded somewhere
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: bscott75 on Tuesday 28 August 18 12:40 BST (UK)
Thanks for responses.
Will the RCE be noted on the birth entry? Or on a separate document?
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: Wendy2305 on Tuesday 28 August 18 13:04 BST (UK)
It is a separate document but the button to download it is at the top of the same page as the birth certificate
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: bscott75 on Tuesday 28 August 18 14:50 BST (UK)
Thank you Wendy.
I thought a RCE would also be noted in the birth register? And there is nothing in the registers. Is it possible that the birth certificates will have more information?
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: Wendy2305 on Tuesday 28 August 18 16:32 BST (UK)
As far as I am aware there is no more information on the certificate than what's in the register books the only difference is the RCE number to the left hand side of the child's name which is on the books but not the certificate  You could try asking Old Scotland where they get there information as I notice they only offer a transcript
Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: Rosinish on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:32 BST (UK)
"Original entries in the Statutory Registers of Births, Deaths and Marriages cannot be altered but sometimes an error is noted or additional information comes to light. These amendments are recorded in a separate register - the Register of Corrected Entries (RCE)"

2 examples here: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mm4/

I have included 2 which are different from the examples on the link.

(1) 1856 no RCE but an annotation on the Birth cert.
(2) 1867 an annotation of the RCE without the stamp on the 2nd example on the link.


Annie

Title: Re: Illegitimate births in Rothesay 1870 & 1872
Post by: bscott75 on Wednesday 29 August 18 11:16 BST (UK)
Thank you Wendy for your help.
I think my last hope of getting any information is to try Old Scotland.