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Title: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 16:36 BST (UK)
Hi all

I'm trying to find a birth for Elsie may forester c1905 Whitchurch shropshire ? She later went on to marry a Thomas Hodgkiss in farnworth Lancashire. She died in 1984?

Any help please
Thank you
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 August 18 16:43 BST (UK)
Hello,

Do you have a record for her as born Whitchurch?

Heywood
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: JJen on Monday 27 August 18 16:46 BST (UK)
Have you considered this birth record -

Elsie May Forrester
q1 1905, Market Drayton, Shropshire
Vol 6a Page 7214
No mother's maiden name  ???

JJ
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 16:46 BST (UK)
I was told my a family member she was Born in Whitchurch. And then moved to farnworth Bolton Lancashire and married a Thomas Hodgkiss and they lived at Kent st in farnworth Lancashire. I found her on the census.
I'm just hitting brick walks trying to find her birth so I could get the parents names to work back from. Sorry I'm a amateur  at this .
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 August 18 16:48 BST (UK)
Was just going to post that one  :)

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 27 August 18 16:49 BST (UK)
Death
Elsie May Hodgkiss
Birth   17/02/1905
Death   11/1984 Bolton Lancashire
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 16:49 BST (UK)
Have you considered this birth record -

Elsie May Forrester
q1 1905, Market Drayton, Shropshire
Vol 6a Page 7214
No mother's maiden name  ???

JJ

Yes this could be her? Does it state the father for her ? Mothers?
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: sgf28 on Monday 27 August 18 16:50 BST (UK)
This baptism:

25th April 1905 Market Drayton

Elsie May Forrester. Mother: Lily Forrester
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: JJen on Monday 27 August 18 16:50 BST (UK)
Baptism -

Elsie May Forrester
Gender   Female
Baptism - 25 Apr 1905, Market Drayton, Shropshire
Mother - Lily Forrester
No father recorded.

JJ
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 16:54 BST (UK)
Yes this is her! Because my Aunty is lily (her daughter) is she illegitimate ? If no father is shown ?
And also couofcyoh help in finding her mums parents - Lilly forester ?

Thank you 😁
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: JJen on Monday 27 August 18 16:57 BST (UK)
Yes this is her! Because my Aunty is lily (her daughter) is she illegitimate ? If no father is shown ?
And also couofcyoh help in finding her mums parents - Lilly forester ?

Thank you 😁

It would appear that she was illegitimate.

There is a marriage of a Lily Forrester q4 1905, Mt Drayton, Vol 6a Page 1499. She married Frederick Clews.

JJ
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 17:03 BST (UK)
Death
Elsie May Hodgkiss
Birth   17/02/1905
Death   11/1984 Bolton Lancashire

Hi I'm thinking is this her cause somebody had given me April 1905 for her birth
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 17:04 BST (UK)
Baptism -

Elsie May Forrester
Gender   Female
Baptism - 25 Apr 1905, Market Drayton, Shropshire
Mother - Lily Forrester
No father recorded.

JJ
Hi

I had been given feb 1905 for her date of birth ? Is this the same one because this Elsie is April 1905 birth I'm confused 😐
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: JJen on Monday 27 August 18 17:04 BST (UK)
1911 -

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X72F-XF4

Kenneth born 1910, his birth record shows his mother's surname as Forrester.

JJ
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: JJen on Monday 27 August 18 17:06 BST (UK)
Baptism -

Elsie May Forrester
Gender   Female
Baptism - 25 Apr 1905, Market Drayton, Shropshire
Mother - Lily Forrester
No father recorded.

JJ
Hi

I had been given feb 1905 for her date of birth ? Is this the same one because this Elsie is April 1905 birth I'm confused 😐

The date of the baptism of 25 Apr 1905 is not the same as her birth date. No birth date recorded on the baptism.

Have you found Elsie on the 1939 register which will confirm her date of birth?

JJ
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 17:07 BST (UK)
Yes this is her! Because my Aunty is lily (her daughter) is she illegitimate ? If no father is shown ?
And also couofcyoh help in finding her mums parents - Lilly forester ?

Thank you 😁

It would appear that she was illegitimate.

There is a marriage of a Lily Forrester q4 1905, Mt Drayton, Vol 6a Page 1499. She married Frederick Clews.

JJ

This would mean Elsie was born before her mother Lilly got married to this Frederick clews? Could he also be the father? Hmmm is there any info of Lilly and Frederick parents in their marriage details ? Also how did my Elsie end up moving from Shropshire to Lancashire ?

Thank you 😊
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 August 18 17:09 BST (UK)
I think this is the right one.

I was going to post this earlier ::)

Here is 1911 index from Family Search

Elsie May Owens 6 yrs b Walkden, Lancs

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWT1-KMB

On another index, she is Elsie May Forrester

There is a likely birth though in Lancashire but Martha, mother is born Whitchurch. :-\
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 August 18 17:11 BST (UK)
Baptism: 22 March  1905 St Paul, Walkden
Elsie May Forrester
Child of Martha Hannah Forrester
Born: 17th February  1905
Abode: 321 Linnyshaw
   
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: JJen on Monday 27 August 18 17:13 BST (UK)
That looks much better Heywood and would explain why Elsie married in Lancashire  :)

JJ
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 August 18 17:18 BST (UK)
Martha Hannah Forrester and Thomas Owens marriage

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3PX-RS4
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: JJen on Monday 27 August 18 17:22 BST (UK)
1891 -

Isaac Forrester   34 b. Madeley, Staffordshire
Sarah Ann Forrester   30 b. Whitchurch, Shropshire
Martha Hannah Forrester   4 b. Whitchurch, Shropshire

RG12 Piece 2150 Folio 130 Page 13

JJ
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 17:23 BST (UK)
Thank you

So my Elsie could be born to Martha and Thomas Owens ??maybe she was born before they got married ??
Is there a marriage for Martha and Thomas Owens ?
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: JJen on Monday 27 August 18 17:26 BST (UK)
Martha Hannah Forrester and Thomas Owens marriage

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3PX-RS4

Try the above link  :)
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 17:32 BST (UK)
I think this is the right one.

I was going to post this earlier ::)

Here is 1911 index from Family Search

Elsie May Owens 6 yrs b Walkden, Lancs

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWT1-KMB

On another index, she is Elsie May Forrester

There is a likely birth though in Lancashire but Martha, mother is born Whitchurch. :-\
This one seems to be the one. Ive Beeb informed it was Elsie's mum who was born in Shropshire and Elsie herself in Walkden

Cheers
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 27 August 18 17:34 BST (UK)
Marriage Elsie M. Forrest & Thomas Hodgkis 1925 Bolton Registry Office or Registrar attended. Elsie's surname is Forrest on Lancashire BMD index. They married either at registry office or at a Non-Conformist or R.C. chapel, not in C. of E.
11 Hodgkis births registered in Farnworth 1926-1945 with mother's maiden name Forester.

Marriage isn't on LANOPC (Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website). There are 2 baptisms at Methodist church in Farnworth which may be of 2 of the children. I'm not naming them in case they are alive. Perhaps marriage was in a Methodist chapel.
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 17:35 BST (UK)
1891 -

Isaac Forrester   34 b. Madeley, Staffordshire
Sarah Ann Forrester   30 b. Whitchurch, Shropshire
Martha Hannah Forrester   4 b. Whitchurch, Shropshire

RG12 Piece 2150 Folio 130 Page 13

JJ

Hi thank you - is there a surname for Sarah Ann forester ?
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 August 18 17:36 BST (UK)
There is no motherís maiden name for Elsie May and the baptism I gave only gives her mother.
Martha and Thomas Owens did not marry until 1907.
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 August 18 17:38 BST (UK)
This is a good site for motherís name

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp

It shows Marthaís motherís surname as Bryan
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 17:44 BST (UK)
This is a good site for motherís name

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp

It shows Marthaís motherís surname as Bryan

Yes thank you I've got it.,I'll work back now from Isaacs and Sarah Ann Bryan
These are definitely them 😁
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 17:46 BST (UK)
Marriage Elsie M. Forrest & Thomas Hodgkis 1925 Bolton Registry Office or Registrar attended. Elsie's surname is Forrest on Lancashire BMD index. They married either at registry office or at a Non-Conformist or R.C. chapel, not in C. of E.
11 Hodgkis births registered in Farnworth 1926-1945 with mother's maiden name Forester.

Marriage isn't on LANOPC (Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website). There are 2 baptisms at Methodist church in Farnworth which may be of 2 of the children. I'm not naming them in case they are alive. Perhaps marriage was in a Methodist chapel.
Yes these are them! Their child is my late father John born 1932?died 2004. The others must be his older siblings
Thank you 😊
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 27 August 18 19:35 BST (UK)
Marriage Elsie M. Forrest & Thomas Hodgkis 1925 Bolton Registry Office or Registrar attended. Elsie's surname is Forrest on Lancashire BMD index. They married either at registry office or at a Non-Conformist or R.C. chapel, not in C. of E.
11 Hodgkis births registered in Farnworth 1926-1945 with mother's maiden name Forester.

Marriage isn't on LANOPC (Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website). There are 2 baptisms at Methodist church in Farnworth which may be of 2 of the children. I'm not naming them in case they are alive. Perhaps marriage was in a Methodist chapel.
Yes these are them! Their child is my late father John born 1932?died 2004. The others must be his older siblings
Thank you 😊

John Hodgkiss birth registered Farnworth sub district 1932 . It's on Lancashire BMD www.lancashirebmd.org.uk which is where I found registrations of 10 other Hodgkiss births with mother's maiden name Forester. Possibly death of one as an infant in 1943.
Names + dates of birth  of John Hodgkiss and some of his siblings should be on 1939 Register but may be redacted (blacked out) as they may have been alive when the Register was released for public viewing a decade ago.

The 2 baptisms at a Methodist chapel from Lancashire Online Parish Clerks don't match the birth registrations of any of John's possible siblings. Parents of those 2 were Thomas and Nelly and they lived in Kearsley.
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Monday 27 August 18 21:11 BST (UK)
Ahhh ok. Thank you for all your help. I'm trying now find Sarah Bryan birth and her parents but finding it hard. :/
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 28 August 18 12:15 BST (UK)
Ahhh ok. Thank you for all your help. I'm trying now find Sarah Bryan birth and her parents but finding it hard. :/

To start with you need to know who her father is, he should be named on her marriage

Marriage Dec qtr 1883 
BRYAN    Sarah Jane       
FORRESTER    Isaac       
Whitchurch, S.    6a   1487   

FindMyPast have the marriage image, it names her father as John Bryan

This is possibly her in 1871 with her father John & mother Martha
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTC-DXH
Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: Delders77 on Tuesday 28 August 18 14:31 BST (UK)
Ahhh ok. Thank you for all your help. I'm trying now find Sarah Bryan birth and her parents but finding it hard. :/

To start with you need to know who her father is, he should be named on her marriage

Marriage Dec qtr 1883 
BRYAN    Sarah Jane       
FORRESTER    Isaac       
Whitchurch, S.    6a   1487   

FindMyPast have the marriage image, it names her father as John Bryan

This is possibly her in 1871 with her father John & mother Martha
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTC-DXH

Hi yes thank you. I'm now trying to find the maiden name for Marta Bryan (the mother of Martha)

Title: Re: Seeking birth for Elsie may forrester Lancashire
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 28 August 18 16:25 BST (UK)
To progress backwards from Sarah Jane who married Isaac ...
Parents as per 1871 - John & Martha.

1871 has the following children for John & Martha all born Whitchurch
Sarah J Bryan c1862
Mary c1864
Martha c 1866
John E c1870
You need to use the GRO index   https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp to locate their birth registrations.  It will show mothers maiden name against the entry - that is Martha's surname.  It is good to practice  ;D

Then use freebmd to search for a marriage for a Martha .... to a John