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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: BronwenS on Tuesday 28 August 18 03:45 BST (UK)
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Kia ora
I have been trying to ind Edward & Mary Risbridger on the 1851 & 1961 census to no avail. I have tried a variety o spellings. If anyone has the time to look I would be extremely grateful.
Nga mihi
Bronwen Summers, Christchurch, NZ
Edward Risbridger husband of Mary Howick
b.1792?
m.1811 Nov 6 Mary Howick, Horley, Surrey, Eng.
d.1873 Oct>Dec, aged 81 Guildford, Surrey, Eng. (reg)
Census
1841 Census Ag Labourer, living at Mead Row, Farncombe, Godalming, Surrey, Eng
1851
1861
Children 6
1812 Nov 8 Mary Risbridger
1814 Aug 7 Martha Risbridger
1816 April 21 Hannah Risbridger
1820 Apr 9 Jane Risbridger
1822 June 9 Phillis Risbridger
1827 July 1 Edward Risbridger, m.1856 Oct>Dec Mary Ann Gravat, Guildford, Eng.
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Could his first wife have died?? :-\ 1851Living at Norfolk Arms Inn, Horsham, Sussex??
Edward Risbridger 62 Inn Keeper Ag Labourer Newdigate, Surrey
Ann Risbridger 54 Ockley, Surrey
Mary Edwards Daughter 23 Horsham, Sussex,
William Edwards Son In Law 29 Ag Lab Horsham, Sussex
Emma Edwards Grand Daughter 3 Scholar Horsham, Sussex
Eliza Edwards Grand Daughter 2 Horsham, Sussex,
Emily Edwards Grand Daughter 0 Horsham, Sussex,
Alexander Barfoot Lodger Widower Male 67 Formerly Farmer Horley, Surrey,
Sorry - obviously the wrong family as they are together in 1841 :-\
Added - The 1856 marriage of Edward Risbridger to Mary Ann Gravat at Farncombe is online on Anc and Edward is widower age 64 from Meadrow - Father John Risbridger
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Thanks I had looked at that other family.
Are you saying that at the time of Edward and Mary Ann Gravat's marriage (1856) that Edward who was married to Mary is 64 and a widow?
I have Mary dying age 66 in Farncombe St John the Evangelist in 1860.
Regards Bronwen
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Yes the Edward who married is 1856 was a widower (sorry re widow) age 64
I wonder if this was your Edward in 1861? Living at London Road, Godalming, Guildford
Elizabeth Cheston Head Married 35 1826 Godalming, Surrey
Edward Rushbridge Lodger Widower 68 Labourer Wonersh, Surrey
William Cox Lodger 34 1827 Labourer Godalming, Surrey
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Hi Bronwen,
1851 Mead RowGodalming (HO107/1594/F?)
Edward Risbridge, 65, Un, Head, Woodman, b. Godalming
Margaret Gr?ess, 44, lodger, un, b. Silbourne.
Jo :)
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I should have added that on the 1856 marriage at Farncombe Mary Ann Gravat is listed as a widow age 63 with father Samuel Turville. It does look like the couple Jo found in 1851 and possibly Mary Ann is the death you found at Farncombe in 1860
Kay
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My response to both of you in brackets after each section. I put them in in colour but it removes the colour. Of course the whole thing could be up the pole, it wouldn't be the first time. Regards Bronwen
I wonder if this was your Edward in 1861? Living at London Road, Godalming, Guildford
Elizabeth Cheston Head Married 35 1826 Godalming, Surrey
Edward Rushbridge Lodger Widower 68 Labourer Wonersh, Surrey
William Cox Lodger 34 1827 Labourer Godalming, Surrey
(Could be – right age - his wife died the year before)
1851 Mead RowGodalming (HO107/1594/F?)
Edward Risbridge, 65, Un, Head, Woodman, b. Godalming
Margaret Gr?ess, 44, lodger, un, b. Silbourne.
(His wife was still alive for the 1851 census.)
I should have added that on the 1856 marriage at Farncombe Mary Ann Gravat is listed as a widow age 63 with father Samuel Turville.
It does look like the couple Jo found in 1851 and possibly Mary Ann is the death you found at Farncombe in 1860
(A 29 year old man, marries a 63 year old widow? Is that very likely?
1827 July 1 Edward Risbridger, m.1856 Oct>Dec Mary Ann Gravat, a widow aged 63 Farncombe, Guildford, Eng.)
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Bronwen, the 1851 census address of Mead Row Godalming is the same address you gave for Edward and Mary in 1841.
Are you sure that his wife Mary died after 1851?
Are you sure the Edward and Mary in the 1841 are the right Edward and Mary?
Jo :)
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Bronwen - Sorry that I was unclear about the 1856 marriage at Farncombe. I attach a small extract of the marriage cert (we can't post the whole document) with Edward Risbridger listed a widower of 64 and Mary Ann Gravat listed as a widow of 63 and both were living at Meadrow.
As Jo said the 1841 census for Edward and his original wife Mary shows them as Meadrow - the same address as the 1851 and1861 census we posted. I think that the original wife Mary quite possibly died pre 1851 and in 1856 Edward (Snr) marrried Mary Ann (his lodger in 1851) who died in 1860 in Francombe. Doesn't help that both wives were named Mary or that he had a son Edward :)
Kay
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This is possibly the marriage of Edward Junior....
Edward Risbridger, age 30, father Edward Risbridger, married Elizabeth Scott, age 39, father John Scott, 21 Jan 1857 at Burstow Surrey.
Jo :)
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That marriage looks good Jo.
I think this is the couple in 1861 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MP-MCT5 with Edward born Horley Surrey which ties in with this baptism https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRH9-TMW
Kay
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This is confusing.....
I can only see two ER born abt 1792....
Your ER bap 1792 in Bramley to John and Martha, married to Mary Howick in 1811
And ER bap 1791 in Newdigate to Edward, beer keeper, found easily on census records, married to Ann Pratt in 1814....
So who is the ER who married Jane Gardener in Godalming in 1817? She is likely the Jane who was buried in Godalming in 1835, age 42.
Jo :)
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The third ER may well have moved there from another area or be older :-\
Kay
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Great thanks to you both I think I now have it sorted and need to re-look at who his father was - I had an Edward but I need to find a John. I also need to find Edward's birth.
Can you tell me what 'Un' means?
Many thanks Bronwen
Edward Risbridger husband of Mary Howick
b.1792 Wonersh, Surrey Godalming
m.1811 Nov 6 Mary Howick, Horley, Surrey, Eng.
m.1856 Oct-Dec Mary Ann Gravat, a widow aged 63 Farncombe, Guildford, Eng. (reg)
d.1873 Oct>Dec, aged 81 Guildford, Surrey, Eng. (reg)
Census
1841 Edward Ag Labourer, living at Mead Row, Farncombe, Godalming, Surrey, Eng
1851 Edward Risbridge, 65, Un, Head, Woodman, b. Godalming Margaret Gr?ess, 44, lodger, un, b. Silbourne Row, Farncombe, Godalming, Surrey, Eng (reg.)
1861 Edward Rushbridge 68 widower a lodger at London Road, Godalming, Guildford others living there are Elizabeth Cheston Head Married 35 born 1826 in Godalming, Surrey and William Cox 34 labourer born 1827 Godalming a Lodger
1871 age 79 a widow ag lab. Inmate at Guildford Union Workhouse, Stoke, Guildford, Surrey, Eng.
I will sort this out also
father Samuel Turville.
possibly Mary Ann is the death you found at Farncombe in 1860
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Moving along - where can I find these?
Your ER bap 1792 in Bramley to John and Martha, married to Mary Howick in 1811
And ER bap 1791 in Newdigate to Edward, beer keeper, found easily on census records, married to Ann Pratt in 1814....
I can see a Charlotte, Mary, Jesse and a John on Family search whose parents are John and Martha but not Edward?
Mary Risbridger who died pre 1851, two possibilities on Genes United which is the site I have use of at the moment and I also use 'family search'.
Apr>Jun 1844, Reigate, Surrey
Oct>Dec 1848, Guildford, Surrey
Many thanks
Bronwen on a dreary almost spring day!
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Hi Bronwen
Un on the census means Unmarried but could just mean that the person was unmarried at the time of the census as both Edward and Margaret (the image looks like Mary Ann) in 1861 were listed as Un and both had lost a previous spouse I think is the first marriage of Mary Ann to John Grevatt https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N28W-4D7 and a John Grevatt age 40 died in Guildford in 1849
Re possible deaths for Edward R's first wife Mary try using the GRO Death Index https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp You have to register but it is free and free to search and the age of the person is listed. You might also find their birth index useful as the child's mother's maiden name is listed.
Both possible bapt for Edward R are on Family Search https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKTF-J4H and https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPYT-9KM but given his father is named as John on his 1856 marriage the first looks the most likely Possible marriage of his parents at Wonersh not far from Farncombe https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV3X-FJR And Family Search has a possible burial for Martha Risbridger age 71 29 July 1832 at Godalming, Surrey
Kay
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Great thanks I will have a look at all that and come back when I have figured it out...
I thought afterwards it meant unmarried, silly me.
I knew about the GRO index but I haven't really used it and din't realise it was free.
Regards Bronwen
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Okay I have now gone through all that but haven't proceeded to the GRO index yet.
In the 1851 census it says Edward Risbridger (born 1792) was born in Guildford and somewhere else it said he was born in Wornesh.
I assume - I know one should never assume anything when studying ones family tree...
that the three children (parents John & Martha) at the end are siblings to Edward, Martha and Elizabeth and that the family moved to Wornesh - I did have a look at the map and this seemed likely.
Many thanks for helping me with all this
Bronwen
1770 RISBRIDGER
John Risbridger
b.1770?
m.1792 Apr 10 Martha ? Wornesh, Surrey, Eng.
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Martha ? wife of John Risbridger and mother of Edward Risbridger
b.1770?
m.1792 Apr 10 John Risbridger, Wornesh, Surrey, Eng.
d.
Children 1
1792 Aug 19 Edward Risbridger, Bramley, Surrey, Eng
1793 Oct 13 Martha Risbridger, Bramley, Surrey, Eng.
1793 Oct 13 Elizabeth Risbridger, Bramley, Surrey, Eng
3 children born in Wornesh
1796 Charlotte
1798 Mary
1800 Jesse
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Looks good. :) In 1861 Edward R lists his birthplace at Wonersh - next door to Bramley :)
Sadly at the moment I can't see births/deaths that might relate to John R
Kay
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Thanks Kay
I had this as his death
d.1873 Oct>Dec, aged 81 Guildford, Surrey, Eng. (reg)
I have noted I have the reg but I can't find it despite my marvellous filing system on my laptop - need to check that.
He is on the
1871 census as Ag Lab. age 79 a widow. Inmate at Guildford Union Workhouse, Stoke, Guildford, Surrey, Eng.
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That looks good for Edward. I was thinking of his father John - unless he was born much earlier than his wife Martha born about 1760 :-\
Kay
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Okay thanks - better make some dinner - this is all so addictive.
Regards Bronwen
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There are 5 John Risbdriger's deaths between 1839 and 1865
2 of them in Dorking, 1839 & 1843
1 in Hambledon
1 in Godstone and
1 in Kingstone.
But on Genes Reunited you just get to see the register in the book which tells you nothing more than their name and the date they died and the place.
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I think it is more likely that he died in the Guildford Reg District probably pre 1837. Having just said this I did a search on the GRO Death Index using the option of simliar sounding variations and came up with JOHN ROSBRIDGER age 81 GRO Ref: 1838 March Qrtr GUILDFORD UNION Vol 04 Page 183 Will check the ones you found
Kay
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I did find this one too
John Risebridger
Surrey
Year Of Death
1811
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On the GRO Index ages of the two deaths in Dorking for a John R where 1839 age 57 and 1843 age 0. I can't see the other three you mention
If the 1838 death age 81 was correct John R would have been born approx 1757 which fits amazingly well with this birth in Wonersh in 1857 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ND4M-W7X ;D
Kay
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Great Kay and I see it has the names of his parents whoopee
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Have to go out now, You might find the Wonersh Church site interesting https://www.wonershchurch.org.uk/Groups/227010/Records_and_Registers.aspx
Kay
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Great thanks I will have a look at that.
cheers Bronwen