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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: Cas (stallc) on Tuesday 28 August 18 12:19 BST (UK)
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Hello,
It have all info on my g grandfather Thomas Baggot b 1850 from his marriage in 1873 address Shanbally, Williamstown, to death 1927 in Loughrea County Home. Also all info on his children. Have an extracted 1851 census address Shanbally, that names Thomas parents as Pat Bagot (Patrick?) & Biddy (Bridget) Kevany. Father deseased by 1873.
There are a few trees on Ancestry with a large number of siblings for him, no proof of connection as difficult pre 1864. Did find a sister Bridget b 1844 who was present at the death of their mother in 1889 at Shanbally. She married as a spinster in 1890 from Shanbally, father Patt Bagot.
Also think there maybe a brother Patrick of Shanbally, but no idea of age, think older.
Are there any church records available I can access, to try link family and connect to possible siblings via parents.
Thanks if you can help, any info appreciated.
Cas
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Which Church?
RC?
C of I?
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Sorry RC
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0551 'Castlerea (Diocese of Elphin)', which is a variant name for Kilkeevin.
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Thanks! Started to check out, images are on ancestry, found a Patt Baggot of Shanbally looks like wife is Peggy Cunningham..chasing their children to see what links up....
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... Have an extracted 1851 census address Shanbally, that names Thomas parents as Pat Bagot (Patrick?) & Biddy (Bridget) Kevany ...
Presumably this?
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246689/007246689_00213.pdf
Just to note that another source corroborates the same parentage for Thomas, the RootsIreland website has a transcription of the 1873 church marriage record for Thomas Baggot and Mary Hurly which cites the groom's mother as 'Brigid Keaveny'.
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Thanks Gaffy, info you found is correct. Mother Brigid also goes by Bridget and Biddy in other records, seems they are variants of the name Bridget.
I have found a marriage 27 Feb 1862 of Pat Baggot to Margaret Cunningham, Peggy on some their children's bapts. Would there be any other additional info elsewhere such as witnesses or name of father? Info found below.
Civil Parish of Boyounagh, in the Barony of Ballymoe, in the County of Galway
Boyounagh | Microfilm 04211 / 01 NLI Catholic Parish registers. Archdiocese of Tuam | County of Galway.
I do think this Pat/Patrick bc 1837 is brother to my line (Thomas bc 1850, but could be c1847 as mentions 4yrs written in pencil? on 1851 extracted census).
Hoping witness or fathers name may help nail it. There was a Patrick Bagot who maybe one and the same as a witness at Thomas marriage in 1873. Also Shanbally seems to connect to this Patrick.
Think most of the Bagot and name varient are related around this area, but difficult finding the dots to connect to siblings named in some online trees.
There are a few marriages for possible siblings on FindMyPast under Catholic parish registers for Boyounagh, only have access to Ancestry and cannot find same there.
Any thoughts or info appreciated, think will have to shelve through lack of info/unable to find.
Cas
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I have found a marriage 27? Feb 1862 of Pat Baggot to Margaret Cunningham, Peggy on some their children's bapts. Would there be any other additional info elsewhere such as witnesses or name of father?
Bottom of left page, I read the witnesses as Micl (Michael) Kelly and Nora Cunif / Cunnif*
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632018#page/136/mode/1up
*There are other Cunifs / Cunnifs further up the same page for comparison.
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I see it now you pointed it out. Thought it was another marriage. Not great at reading old registers and eyesight not as good anymore.
Thanks, no links to help there then, would this be the only written entry?
Think I am gonna have to give up on extending Thomas family, pre 1864 Irish records are so difficult to link...
Thanks again :)
Cas
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Have you checked early Deaths??
Death results for Baggot of Glenamaddy DISTRICT http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mmf/
Death results for Bagot of Glenamaddy http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mmg/
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Found Patrick (Baggott) death 14 Dec 1911 age 75 Shanbally, dau Margaret (b1874) present at death, Shanbally. Registered Williamstown/ Glenamaddy.
He has been the main one I have been researching due to the Shanbally connection. Have him in 1901 & 1911 Kilcroan district were Thomas was in 1911.
Not sure about Francis, John, James & Martin which are in online trees but no sources.
Cas
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ok...Thought
Party 1 Name THOMAS BAGOT
Party 2 Name MARY HURLEY
Date of Event 04 May 1873
Group Registration ID 2809553
SR District/Reg Area Glenamaddy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11274/8135116.pdf
might have been of interest.
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Is that your Thomas BAGGOT??
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Any idea what burial grounds or records would be within the area.
Visited Ireland once, County Meath, but have no great knowledge.
Cas
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ok...Thought
Party 1 Name THOMAS BAGOT
Party 2 Name MARY HURLEY
Date of Event 04 May 1873
Group Registration ID 2809553
SR District/Reg Area Glenamaddy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11274/8135116.pdf
might have been of interest.
Yes that is my Great great grandparents, have the church and civil doc of marriage. The name has a number of spelling variants, when recorded.
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Not sure about Francis, John, James & Martin which are in online trees but no sources.
Cas
What do the tree "say" about them??
Follow any clues there to see if True or Not.
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That's just it, there are no clues just a list of names. They have father Patt, no mother listed, there are about 3 or 4 identical seems they have copied from each other. They have Thomas death as 1937 in Limerick. He died 1927 Loughrea county home/hospital, alone. States he was from Ballymoe.
Mailed a few of the tree owner asking for confirmation, there is none!
Cas
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Have not added to my tree, but think Patrick bc 1835 is a brother with all the clues I have come across.
What do you think?
Cas
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Have put the others into a separate tree, and sorted them into families, marriage children etc.
No nearer finding if they are related to Thomas. Was hoping to find Church marriages which would give names of parents like Thomas has on his Church marriage, the parents are not included on the civil record.
Thanks for the help and Imput, but looks like a lost cause.
Cas
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Well I would just start a new PRIVATE Tree on Ancestry and attach what the others have....
then, believe it or not, Ancestry can throw up clues for them!! These can then be investigated at leisure without messing up your tree!
I've done it with success although I know it throws up crazy clues at times.... I just look at first 5 or 6, if crazy Ignore. Then wait for new clues... eventually I got a clue for the one I was looking for!
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Have put the others into a separate tree, and sorted them into families, marriage children etc.
No nearer finding if they are related to Thomas. Was hoping to find Church marriages which would give names of parents like Thomas has on his Church marriage, the parents are not included on the civil record.
Thanks for the help and Imput, but looks like a lost cause.
Cas
;D I hope you made it PRIVATE
then no one can copy it!
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The problem with Francis, John, James & Martin is that they could have married in other Parishes as Brides usually marry in their Parish.
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I have my own tree which is public, well sourced and documented, took years of time, money & research.
The separate tree I made private because did not want any to copy without me finding sources.
Thanks again for your help, have had help from you both and others in the past. Some things we never get to know, have all on Thomas & Children, bonus to know his parents.
Will just keep chipping away :P
Regards Cas
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It gets confusing when someone takes your stuff..... and then just pins anything "that looks right" onto it for their "tree"! ;D
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http://gccapps.galwaycoco.ie/Graveyards/Search/results.aspx?cid=0&s=Bagot&p=Plot%20No.&y=0
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Thank you!
James was the son of Patrick b 1871 Shanbally :)
Have decided to make both trees private...
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Thank you!
James was the son of Patrick b 1871 Shanbally :)
Have decided to make both trees private...
Erected by his wife & family