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Title: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Tuesday 28 August 18 20:16 BST (UK)
Can anyone help with my family?  James McAteer lived in  Dungannon County of Tyrone. Unconfirmed birth 1820 in Newry. Unconfirmed marriage in 1847 Dungannon Co Tyrone . His daughter Margaret marries William James Lemon 22 Nov 1878 Parish Drumglass Dungannon Co Tyrone.  I'd really like to find some concrete evidence on  James McAteer.  any Direction is appreciated. 
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 28 August 18 20:38 BST (UK)
from her marriage it states her father James was a carpenter
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:02 BST (UK)
There is a death registered in Dungannon
James McAteer aged 47
year 1865
might be worth looking at this one
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:12 BST (UK)
Radcliff,
thanks for the prompt reply.
I will investigate.

Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:26 BST (UK)
Going forward to 1887
14th July 1887
Presbyterian church Dungannon, married by licence
William Jas Lawson,full age not sure of profesion,of Armargh
father William Lawson,labourer
Matilda McAteer,spinster full age of Dungannon
father James McAteer,carpenter,
witness to the marriage is William Jas Lemon and Margaret
this possibly then Margarets sister
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:42 BST (UK)
Amazing! With the right tools and knowledge look what can be found.
many thanks
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:45 BST (UK)
Was James wife Dorothea,
Dorothea McAteer registers the birth of Margaret and William Lemons child
Dorothea McAteer dies in,Milltown Dungannon aged 65 years a flax dressers widow
cause of death bronchitus,
date of death 7th June 1910
death registered by Matilda Lawson,her daughter who was present at the death
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:49 BST (UK)
I am fishing around,
Matilda(McAteer) Lawson and James who is a grocer, name their daughter
Dorothea born Milltown 22nd November 1907
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:53 BST (UK)
William Lawson a Baker
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10790/5935153.pdf

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Dungannon/Breezes_Row/1739677/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Dungannon/Miltown__South_Side_/868481/
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 28 August 18 21:54 BST (UK)
Dorothea Fulton ?
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 28 August 18 22:00 BST (UK)
I suspect she is the widow Dora McAteer in the Irish 1901  census
reeler in the mill
aged 69
Presbyterian,
able to read
abode Miltown Dungannon
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 28 August 18 22:38 BST (UK)
I can not access any further details
Dorothea Fulton,father Hugh
James McAteer,father William
married 19th April 1852
Tullyneskin County Tyrone
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Tuesday 28 August 18 22:43 BST (UK)
Radcliff
many thanks. I will begin with all this info and anticipate success.
I will keep you posted
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 28 August 18 22:57 BST (UK)
One more for the jigsaw
Newmills
Presbyterian church
October 28th 1873
William Fulton,widower full age,store keeper
father Hugh Fulton,farmer
Eliza Newell,full age spinster
father James a farmer
witnessed by Margaret McAteer and Joseph Anderson
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Wednesday 29 August 18 15:07 BST (UK)
Radcliff, sincere thanks
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Wednesday 29 August 18 17:44 BST (UK)
re:James McAteer is it possible that he could have married x2? i have located children with James listed as Father .i do realize that there is a big  possiblility of more than one James McAteer. If i  use the Dorothea Fulton/James McAteer marriage date 1852 these children listing a James a father would be too young to marry even by 1800 standards. An earlier marriage of James McAteer and Anne Miller 1847 makes more sense   ie.Samuel Mcateer(father James) m. MaryAnn Lucas 11 July 1865.

i think my big question is how do you isolate your specific relation. thank you in advance
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 29 August 18 17:57 BST (UK)
we do not know how old he was when he married so possibly he could have been married twice and then died long before his second wife
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 29 August 18 18:02 BST (UK)
James McAteer who died Dungannon
4/8/1864 a married man was aged 77 years
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Wednesday 29 August 18 18:24 BST (UK)
How did I know you would have an answer.
 Without concrete data, is it incorrect at this stage to use his age at death and probability of 2 marriages to move forward? As a beginner, I experience getting stuck on certain individuals because unable to verify all details.

again thanks

Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 29 August 18 19:14 BST (UK)
Just a little snippet probably no connection,
Freemans Journal,Friday July 24th 1846
Summer Assizes,Tyrone
Wm Gibson,James McAteer and David Kelly,the three orangemen commited by Judge Torrens at the last assizes,where then placed in the dock and indicted for assembling and commiting a riot on the 18th of August last in Loughgilly Wood

they were found not guilty as the main witness,to the charges had gone to America
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 29 August 18 19:56 BST (UK)
Fulton marriages
father  Hugh Fulton,
6th Jan 1852
Tullyneskin
William Fulton to Mary Jane McAteer,her father William
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Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Wednesday 29 August 18 20:19 BST (UK)
Love Snippets don't we!

no family is complete without these events

cheers
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 29 August 18 21:01 BST (UK)
it all helps to build a bigger picture,so do you think Mary Jane could be your James sister
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Wednesday 29 August 18 21:22 BST (UK)
Simply Yes. Mary Jane is a common name in my tree.  James children(yet to confirm) Matilda, Margaret
Samuel and William were the very names Daughter Margaret(married William James Lemon) gave to her children. Dorothea Matilda, Mary Jane, Samuel and William James.  Jackpot!
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Wednesday 29 August 18 21:34 BST (UK)
Looking over this information -I have a question about James McAteer. Using birth 1787, marriage 1847 and death 1864. James to be married first time at age 60?  Perhaps a piece is missing?
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 29 August 18 21:58 BST (UK)
Samuel McAteer,father James a farmer ,married Mary Gilkinson
children
Matilda,14/10/1880
James,20/11/1884
Samuel 10/08/1887
Jane 10/01/1890
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 29 August 18 21:59 BST (UK)
yes I think so as well that is possibly not him so we have to continue to look for his death before 1901
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Wednesday 29 August 18 22:18 BST (UK)
if I return to marriage of Margaret McAteer to William James Lemon-Margaret's father listed as carpenter.
is it your opinion that if I choose to look for James' father William that I might develop a better timeline?
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 29 August 18 22:23 BST (UK)
10/09/1891
Mary McAteer, aged 90 years,widow of farmer,death  registered by her son William James McAteer

12/2/1883,
aged 70 ,William McAteer, farmer  married death registered by son William James McAteer
no further information on this William James McAteer
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 29 August 18 22:33 BST (UK)
Yes we need to find James father and of course his possible baptism
there are quite a few McAteers in Dungannon,they may or may not be related,
Griffith land tax records do record a William in the area in the 1850's
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Wednesday 29 August 18 22:40 BST (UK)
Wonderful Radcliff. I have had some luck not much with Baptisms. I have sought LDS online with some success. My experience with co Tyrone records is sketchy. Perhaps contacting the churches is a better option.
do you know if individuals nowadays use this as a source?
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 29 August 18 22:46 BST (UK)
Proni is possibly your best route for th church records
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 29 August 18 22:47 BST (UK)
I have to say I have never researched in Tyrone before but I have enjoyed helping you on your way
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Wednesday 29 August 18 22:54 BST (UK)
To think that strangers would assist to the degree you and your partners have I am grateful.Initially I was unsure of asking people for their time and expertise  in my personal research.   I shall continue on course more prepared than I  ever thought.

Thanks for the guidance Radcliff
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 30 August 18 08:00 BST (UK)
whilst looking around I spotted this book,and thought you might like to get a copy if you can on loan from a library as the only one coming up for sale on Amazon is £109.00

Guide to sources for researching McAteer families in Ireland ,by Shane McAteer and Brian Trainor
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 30 August 18 10:12 BST (UK)
Going back through all the snippets I have concerns about the age of Dorothea in the census and at her death,as surely she could not have been seven years old when she married James McAteer
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Thursday 30 August 18 14:56 BST (UK)
I shall look into the book.
re: Dorothea  I am certain of a connection.    if I may...
My grandmother is a Dorothea, her mother a Mary Jane(her sister a Matilda Dorothea , her brother a William James)
 Dorothea's grandmother Margaret McAteer Lemon. You have found missing pieces. I am sure they all fit just how
cheers
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 30 August 18 15:20 BST (UK)
have you access to A****try
I noted there are a few tree's with Dorothea in as a half sister to Nancy William Mary children of Hugh Fulton birth date circa 1832
Title: Re: Mcateers' of Co Tyrone
Post by: virsonlia on Thursday 30 August 18 21:19 BST (UK)
thanks-you are a gem