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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: meggles on Thursday 30 August 18 22:30 BST (UK)
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Hi All
I have a Arthur James Drummond that married a Clara Jane Donnelly in Adelaide in 1898.
Their children all born in Adelaide are:
Leslie 1898-1970
Arthur Albert - 1899-1960
Alice Pretoria - 1900-1986
Violet Linda - 1903-1972
Frances Gladys - 1906-1986
Arnold Lawrence - 1907-1982.
Clara died in 1944 and is buried in west terrace cemetery in the same plot as her mother Julia.
Clara was a nurse.
From Arthur James Drummond and Clara Donnelly's marriage certificate I can conclude that Arthur was born abt 1872 (he was 26 when he married in Dec 1898) and his father was James.
But that is all I can find on Arthur James Drummond. I can't find his birth, or his death. I can't find any mention of him in any papers, electrical rolls etc.
Any ideas??
there are trees on Ancestry connecting him to a James Drummond from Scotland and died in Victoria, but this James is not correct, I have followed that James right through and have his death certificate as well, he is Not Arthur James Drummonds father.
hoping someone can help.
cheers
Megan
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In this announcement for the marirage of son Arthur, A, J, DRUMMOND is described as "the late"
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/165864333
1925
And this (perhaps Frances Gladys) the youngest daughter.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/54874567
1926
Sue
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Thanks Sue - I did a Trove search, but didn't get these come up. I should make my searchers broader maybe :)
So now we know that he died before 1925.
cheers
Megan
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Do you know what his occupation was?
M
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No, I don't know anything about him. One Family story is that he was Polynesian.
I figured if I could find his death I could work my way back from there.
cheers
Megan
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SA BDM birth
1898 DONNELLY Leslie Drummond parents Arthur DRUMMOND / Clara DONNELLY
Port Adelaide 617/365
The Advertiser 8 Jan 1944
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/48780672?
death notice for Clara Jane DRUMMOND......mother of Alice, Violet, Gladys, Bert, Arnold and Leslie..
What church did they marry in?
Who are the witnesses?
What occupation for Albert James DRUMMOND?
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:)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0
headings on S.A. marriages 1868-1907
Date and Place of Marriage; Bride and Bridegrooms Names, Ages and Rank; Condition; Trade; Residence; Father's names
JM
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they married: Res Of Rev J J Drawin North Adelaide
unsure of his occupation and don't know the witness as yet
cheers
Megan
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they married: Res Of Rev J J Drawin North Adelaide
unsure of his occupation and don't know the witness as yet
cheers
Megan
If you scan your copy of the document, and upload snips of the sections that are hard to read, I am sure there's RChatters who will help you decipher the hard to read sections.
JM
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Hi JM
I have not got the whole certificate yet, the information I have is off find my past.
it gives their ages, their condition, their fathers name and where and who married them.
cheers
Megan
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I have just found a Arthur James Drumm buried in West Terrace, DOD 22.4.1914 aged 41. This fits except for spelling of last name.
he is buried with a Frances Drumm DOD 28.8.1904 aged 50 (born 1854) and this could be his mother - I will follow this through.
cheers
Megan
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Good find Megan :)
The funeral notice for Arthur J DRUMM in 1914 says the funeral will leave his residence Cross Roads, Clarence Park http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article58501523
Clara Jane DRUMMOND's death notice (posted by wivenhoe) says she was of 350 Cross Roads Clarence Park.
Ros
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1914 383/250 DRUMM Arthur James undefined Norwood
1904 304/224 DRUMM Frances James DRUMM (DH) Adelaide
A sister? 1879 93/381 DRUMM Emily James DRUMM (F) Adelaide
Births:
1879 215/245 DRUMM Emily James DRUMM Frances CHAPEL Adelaide
1881 269/465 DRUMM Frances Alice James DRUMM Frances Mary CHAPPELL Adelaide
Marriage:
1911 247/492 GRAY John Edward DRUMM Frances Alice Adelaide
Death:
1939 617/4267 GRAY Frances Alice John Edward GRAY [DH] Adelaide
Buried together:
Gray Ronald Arthur 27/10/1951
Gray Frances Alice 18/09/1939 aged 55 Years
Gray John Edward 18/01/1933
Drumm Arthur James 22/04/1914
Drumm Frances 28/08/1904
Jamjar
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I found an in memoriam, think 1917, on Trove for Arthur Drumm, but can’t find it again.
It was from son ‘Bert’. Could be Arthur Albert - 1899-1960.
Jamjar
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I found an in memoriam, think 1917, on Trove for Arthur Drumm, but can’t find it again.
It was from son ‘Bert’. Could be Arthur Albert - 1899-1960.
Jamjar
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5580034 21 April 1917 Advertiser, two notices (these IMs are not in alphabetical order by surname :-X ).
:)
JM
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https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/209655007 22 April 1918
three notices... daughter Alice, son Bert, wife & children
JM
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Thanks, JM.
It is looking like it’s the correct chap.
I can’t find a death for father, James.
Jamjar
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Megan, if the name was in fact DRUMM, I’d suggest looking at Irish records.
Jamjar
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Biographical Index SA has the following....
DRUMM James born 5 Feb 1851 Greenock Rfw SCT died after 1881
Arrived by 1879
Occupation given as Policeman, Labourer
Wife was Frances M. nee CHAPPLE born c 1855 – mother ?Mary REESE
Only child mentioned was Frances Alice.
Rhonda
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The only mention I find of James is in 1881, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article94761542
There are ‘Drumm’ in Tassie.
Also, an unassisted passenger James Drumm arriving to VIC on the HARRIET 1858 aged 18, IRISH
Finding a marriage would be most useful.
Jamjar
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Biographical Index SA has the following....
DRUMM James born 5 Feb 1851 Greenock Rfw SCT died after 1881
Arrived by 1879
Occupation given as Policeman, Labourer
Wife was Frances M. nee CHAPPLE born c 1855 – mother ?Mary REESE
Only child mentioned was Frances Alice.
Rhonda
I have deleted BISA info duplicated. ;D
The daughter Frances Alice was born 1887
Sue
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Biographical Index SA has the following....
DRUMM James born 5 Feb 1851 Greenock Rfw SCT died after 1881
Arrived by 1879
Occupation given as Policeman, Labourer
Wife was Frances M. nee CHAPPLE born c 1855 – mother ?Mary REESE
Only child mentioned was Frances Alice.
Rhonda
I have deleted BISA info duplicated. ;D
The daughter Frances Alice was born 1887.
Sue
Think she was born 1881, as I posted earlier, reply #12.
Jamjar
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BISA has 1887 for the birth of Frances.
There are often errors on this wonderful database.
Sue
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South Australian Electoral Roll 1909
DRUMM Arthur James Musgrave Street, Goodwood Tobacco Twister
DRUMM Clara Emily Musgrave Street, Goodwood Home Duties
Death
DRUMM Arthur James 41 years Status Married Relative not recorded
20 Apr 1914
Residence Clarence Park Death Eastwood Nor S 383/250
I would suggest he died at Parkside Mental Hospital. See my attachment below where he was admitted in 1912.
Symbol S indicates there may be more information on the certificate.
S. Supplementary Information. Additional unusual information included such as:
· Previous Residence Listed.
· Length of Residence in Colony Stated.
· Deceased Child's Father is Deceased.
· Deceased Maiden Name is Listed.
· Junior/Senior of Deceased is listed.
· Younger Son
· Prison
· State Child.
· Guardian Named.
· Adelaide Destitute or Lunatic Asylum listed ad Residence or Death Place.
· Unusual Death or amount of information on circumstances of Death.
· Sister of Church if known as - religious name stated.
· Fuller details available re deaths at sea - longitude and latitude.
· Final names reduced to initials due to space problems
From my resource Mental Patients' Estates.
Clara Jane DRUMMOND, nurse of Clarence Park, was admitted to the Enfield Receiving Home 27 Nov 1935 and on 7 Jan 1936 was admitted to Parkside Mental Hospital where she died in 1944.
Death
DRUMMOND Clara Jane 62 years Status Widow Relative James DRUMMOND [Deceased husband]
16 Jan 1944
Residence Parkside Death Place Parkside Nor H 672/287
Appears to me that family were not accurate with Clara's place of residence in her death notice. She had been in care since 1935.
Cando
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The Register 22 Apr 1922
DRUMM The Friends of the late Mr. ARTHUR J. DRUMM (tobacco twister) are respectfully informed that his FUNERAL will Leave his late Residence, Cross-roads, Clarence Park on WEDNESDAY. at 3.30 p.m. for. the West Terrace
Cemetery.
FRANK SIEBERT, Undertaker,
Phone 413. 47 and 49 Wakefleld street
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Arthur James DRUMM's parents were married in London.
I have not yet found where the surname CHAPPLE comes to be attached to Frances.
Jun 1/4 1872
DRUMM James
REES Frances
Marylebone
1a/1111
And Arthur was registered later that year.
Dec 1/4
DRUMM, Arthur James
Marylebone
1a/513
Another child
1874 Jun 1/4
DRUMM, Emily Maud ( mother maiden surname REES )
MARYLEBONE
1a /526
This girl died
Sep 1/4 1874
DRUMM Emily Maud
Aged 0
Marylebone
1a/363
I think you can assume that James Arthur arrived with his parents sometime after late 1874.
Evidence so far casts doubt on the Polynesian theory.
Sue
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Hi All
thank you so much for you help. I have been off line this weekend and was great to come back to some extra information that will help me go back another generation.
cheers
Megan
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Hello, I am new on here and interested in looking into family info. Thanks for the extra info on previous generations.
I am putting together that I am in line from James Drumm, then Arthur James and Clara, Arthur Albert, then Shirley my Grandma, Dad Rodney and Julie my aunt who sent me information today about the Drumm surname (previously only known Drummond name).
Thanks Narelle