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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: leecon on Saturday 01 September 18 05:31 BST (UK)
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Michael was a stonemason. Married Mary Ann Hurren at Hobart Town November 1855
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Welcome to Rootschat.
Do you have reason to believe he was born in Australia?
He died where?
Do you have marriage and death certificates for him?
Jamjar
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I see that Mary Ann Hurran was a convict, was Michael, also?
Jamjar
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Link to his death...arrived on the RODNEY.
https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/all/search/results?qu=michael&qu=connors
Cando
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Ok, so he was born in UK in 1823 and had been in the colony for 26 years.
He should have arrived in 1851.
Jamjar
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Looks like he was a convict:
Name: Connor, Michael
Record Type: Convicts
Departure date: 24 Sep 1851
Departure port: Queenstown
Ship: Rodney (2)
Voyage number: 343
Index number: 14228
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1382656
The record says he was aged 24 and was a waiter.
Jamjar
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Here is a link to his indent (2 pages). Father Michael, mother Margaret, brother Edward, sister Julia, all living at his native place which was Tooley Street (Southwark).
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-44,292,24,L,80
Debra :)
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Here is a link to his indent (2 pages). Father Michael, mother Margaret, brother Edward, sister Julia, all living at his native place which was Tooley Street (Southwark).
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-44,292,24,L,80
Debra :)
Where have you found his family information, Debra?
Jamjar
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Is this them on the 1841 census?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQK9-DYS
Jamjar
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Julia’s birth with mother’s maiden name:
CONNOR, JULIA mmn HALEY
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in ST OLAVE'S UNION SOUTHWARK Volume 04 Page 412
Jamjar
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Michael was 29 when he married Mary Ann Hurren on 19 November 1855 at Hobart;
His rank was given as stonemason and he was a 'free' man;
he died at Hobart General hospital on 7 August 1877 and buried in the pauper section of the Cornelian Bay cemetery.; Mary Ann died 14 October 1878 and also buried at the same cemetery;
son Michael was DoB 5 July 1858, died 24 March 1927.
The dates for the sailings of the Rodney, Rodney 2 and London 2 and the sentences of the similarly named persons on those vessels conflict with the notation 'free' when the approval for Mary Ann to marry was issued.
I am also trying find a stonemasons guild or similar of which he may have been a member .
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Well, Leecon
The dates you give for his death line up with the link to document provided by Cando. So, it’s him, or you have the incorrect man/death.
I’m sure there will be those familiar with convict matters that will be able to assist.
Jamjar
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The Michael CONNOR on the Rodney (2) was granted a conditional pardon in July 1854 and he is the one who died in 1877. He was a free man in 1855.
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-105,306,54,F,60
https://stors.tas.gov.au/HSD145-1-1 (Aug 1877)
Debra :)
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Where have you found his family information, Debra?
Jamjar
Page 2
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-44,292,25,L,80
Debra :)
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The notion of Michael being a convict, and arriving in 1851, is confusing.
The 1843 Census {Cen/1/1/59}at pages 153 & 154 has him listed as a free man, in the age group 21 - 45 years , occupation recorded in the category "mechanic and artificer", a tenant living alone in Campbell St Hobart. The notation "FS" on the hospital record supports the census data.
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Hi leecon,
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clancam37
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The notion of Michael being a convict, and arriving in 1851, is confusing.
The 1843 Census {Cen/1/1/59}at pages 153 & 154 has him listed as a free man, in the age group 21 - 45 years , occupation recorded in the category "mechanic and artificer", a tenant living alone in Campbell St Hobart. The notation "FS" on the hospital record supports the census data.
FS on a convict's 'history' usually means 'Free by Servitude' - that is, he served his time and is now 'free' to walk among the general population.
Dawn M
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The notion of Michael being a convict, and arriving in 1851, is confusing.
The 1843 Census {Cen/1/1/59}at pages 153 & 154 has him listed as a free man, in the age group 21 - 45 years , occupation recorded in the category "mechanic and artificer", a tenant living alone in Campbell St Hobart. The notation "FS" on the hospital record supports the census data.
This census data refers to a different Michael Connor to the Rodney 2 convict
M :)
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Hi Jamjar,
The search goes on. Found a Michael Connors who sailed from Port Phillip on the schooner "Circassion" as a cabin passenger arriving in Hobart on 15 July 1848.[SLTX MB2/39/1/10] From ? to Port Phillip?
Also found a death of James Connors, aged 3 months at Hamilton, Tasmania on 19 July 1856 son of Michael stonemason [SLTX Names Index 1198006].
The Hobart Hospital registration of his death on 7 August 1877 has the notation "Born Surrey".
Any further suggestions??
leecon.
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The Hobart Hospital registration of his death on 7 August 1877 has the notation "Born Surrey".
Any further suggestions??
leecon.
It also says that he arrived on the Rodney (2) and was free by servitude. I gave you the link to his indent and family names in post #6 and Jamjar gave you the most likely 1841 census details for the Surrey family in post #8. I am not sure what you are now looking for.
Also found a death of James Connors, aged 3 months at Hamilton, Tasmania on 19 July 1856 son of Michael stonemason [SLTX Names Index 1198006].
The birth registration for that chid is here:
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-6-p314j2k
Debra :)
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Re 'Free' ....
I am sure all the regulars posting on this thread will agree that our colonial records have regularly include this word 'Free'. And, that it simply means that at that particular point in time the person was not still under a sentence of a civil court. It does not mean they were not ever a convict, and nor does it mean that they must have once been a convict.
:) Just to briefly mention too, that permission was sought and granted for that 1855 marriage.
19 November 1855, Hobart Town, at the Church of St Joseph, by Rev C WOODS
Michael CONNORS, aged 29, a bachelor, a Stone Mason,
married
Mary Ann HURREEN, aged 21, a Spinster, a Servant.
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-14p283j2k
The Governor’s permission was granted for that marriage, Gazetted 30 October 1855.
https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON52-1-7p024j2k Michael was noted as ‘Free’ but no ship of arrival was mentioned against his name.
Here’s the Census 1843 (#17, Matthew) At page one of that two page document, in answer to Q7 (How many … are Free) there’s just the One, Michael CONNOR (no ‘S’) . At Page 2 of that census, in answer to the 3 options re ‘Free’ he is ‘Other Free Persons’ … the choice being Born in the Colony/Arrived Free/Other Free Persons. So that particular chap was transported to VDL, he did not come as a Free person, but he was, by 1843, Free.
https://stors.tas.gov.au/CEN1-1-59-153 Clearly he is NOT your man and clearly Matthew noted that he was not your chap, at #17
https://stors.tas.gov.au/HSD145-1-1 here's the August 1877 death mentioned several times (#12 Debra) clearly showing 'FS' (Free by Servitude), 'Rodney 2' (Ship of arrival), 'Surrey' (native place) and '26' years in the Colony.
I realise I am duplicating the information various RChatters have posted, but I hope I am helping to advance the quest.
There are of course variations in the spelling of Michael CONNORS surname .... eg O'Connor; O'Connors; O'Conner, O'Conners, Connor, Conner ... etc. and there may well have been more than one chap by that name in Tasmania in those decades....
ADD Rodney 2 arrival 1851 :)
https://researchdata.ands.org.au/fas-convict-ship-prosopography-index/395393
JM
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I am attaching a snip from one section of the convict record for the Michael CONNOR on the Rodney 2. This chap was Church of England, aged 24 in 1851 and a Waiter, and his native place was Tooley Street :) (as in Surrey, England :) )
JM