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Title: Marriage details?
Post by: andreafrost on Saturday 01 September 18 15:58 BST (UK)
Hi,

Is there anyway of accessing marriage records without ordering a certificate?  Doing a little research for a lady who is visiting from Australia who is trying to trace her mum's family but is due to go return in one week.
The marriage is:  Daniel Brasier - Millie Johns 1938 Surrey, need to know father's details to narrow the search.

Here's hoping
Thanks
Andrea

Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: JJen on Saturday 01 September 18 16:12 BST (UK)
Hi Andrea,

Cannot help with marriage details however by doing a free search of the 1939 register Daniel Brasier's birth year is 1898 and Millie's 1907.

There is only one birth in 1898 for a Daniel Brasier -

q3 1898 Wandsworth
Vol 1d Page 592
Mother's maiden name - Franklin.

Need to look for a Brasier/Franklin marriage who should be Daniel's parents.

JJ
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: JJen on Saturday 01 September 18 16:14 BST (UK)
Daniel's death which shows his date of birth -

Daniel Brasier
Death Age - 79
Birth Date - 4 Aug 1898
Registration Date - Mar 1978
Registration district - Sutton
Inferred County - Greater London
Vol 15 Page 773

JJ
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 01 September 18 16:16 BST (UK)
Following on from the info found by JJen

Marriage Sep 1886

Daniel Brasier
Ellen Jane Franklin
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: JJen on Saturday 01 September 18 16:18 BST (UK)
1901 -

Daniel Brasier   39 b. Battersea, London
Ellen J Brasier   38 b. Weston Super Mare, Somerset
Ellen S Brasier   14 b. Weston Super Mare, Somerset
Jessie E Brasier   13 b. Battersea, London
Daniel Brasier   2 b. Battersea, London

RG13 Piece 443 Folio 39 Page 33. 32 Rollo Street

Daniel's baptism -

Daniel Brasier
Baptism - 15 Sep 1898, All Saints, Battersea, Wandsworth
Father - Daniel Brasier, Stone Mason
Mother - Ellen Brasier
Abode - 32 Rollo Street

JJ


Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: andreafrost on Saturday 01 September 18 16:32 BST (UK)
Thank you for info - I did find them on the 1939 register - unfortunately Daniel isn't the father of my lady.  She is born 1928 Cardiff, her mother left her when she was very young and then married Daniel 1938 and had another daughter Linda Ann. 
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: JJen on Saturday 01 September 18 16:39 BST (UK)
So it's Millie John's parents you are looking for?

JJ
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: andreafrost on Saturday 01 September 18 16:42 BST (UK)
Yes sorry should have made a little clearer but yes any info would be great.
Thanks
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 01 September 18 21:46 BST (UK)
Sorry still a little confused - is this Millie Johns or someone else?  If Millie she can't have been born 1928 if she married in 1938. 

If her mother was unmarried than it's unlikely her father will be named on the marriage.
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: andreafrost on Saturday 01 September 18 21:54 BST (UK)
This is Millie's daughter - Millie was born about 1907ish.  She had her daughter  in 1928.
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 01 September 18 21:59 BST (UK)
Why not start at the beginning as everything people have found you already know??

Set out what you know.....in chronological order
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 01 September 18 22:01 BST (UK)
I can see an Amy Mildred Johns born Jun 1907 Swansea - is that likely to be her  :-\

No forget that one.
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: spendlove on Sunday 02 September 18 00:10 BST (UK)
Hi,

Civil reg. for birth of Millie's daughter in 1928 shows mothers maiden name as Johns, so
Assume that Millie's daughter was illegitimate. 

Have you found Millie's daughter on 1939 register?  If so does she still have her birth name?

Re Millie Johns said to have been born 1907, I can find no birth registered.

Do you have any other info on Millie Johns?

Spendlove
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 02 September 18 00:27 BST (UK)
Does it seem at all likely she was born in Penzance? :-\

JOHNS, MILDRED Mother's maiden name  THOMAS     
1907  J Quarter
PENZANCE
05C /223    


Sue
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: Maiden Stone on Sunday 02 September 18 01:11 BST (UK)
Is the lady born 1928 in Cardiff alive?
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: JJen on Sunday 02 September 18 10:50 BST (UK)
Does it seem at all likely she was born in Penzance? :-\

JOHNS, MILDRED Mother's maiden name  THOMAS     
1907  J Quarter
PENZANCE
05C /223    


Sue

Not quite sure that this is the correct lady for who the op is looking for as this would appear to be her marriage -

Mildred Johns
q4 1929 Penzance, Cornwall
Spouse - James T Worth
Vol 5c Page 501

Death -

Mildred Worth
Birth Date - 26 May 1907
Registration Date - Dec 1999
Registration district - Penzance
Register No. 57C
District & Subdistrict - 3651

JJ
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: andreafrost on Sunday 02 September 18 12:02 BST (UK)
I'm going to start again:
Millie Johns born 1907? (Not sure where)
Millies daughter   born 1928 in Cardiff (mothers maiden name Johns) so presume she's illigitimate. Millie
left her when she was a baby, she later turns up in Surrey and married to Daniel Brasier.  She married in 1938 and went on to have one more daughter.
I can't find the daughter on the 1939 register but I know she was taken in by a lady named Jane Hawkes in Cardiff.
So any information on Millie would be much appreciated. Hope this is better explained.
Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: JJen on Sunday 02 September 18 12:07 BST (UK)
Can you confirm that Millie's first daughter b. 1928 Cardiff is no longer with us please?

There is a Jane Hawkes on the 1939 living in Cardiff with a closed record which could be Millie's daughter.

JJ
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: andreafrost on Sunday 02 September 18 12:10 BST (UK)
Yes she is still alive but knows nothing about her mother or father. I did see that with Jane Hawkes and there is a closed record which could be her.
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: JJen on Sunday 02 September 18 12:15 BST (UK)
We now have a problem in as much as Millie's daughter's name born 1928 should be removed from your posts as RootsChat has a policy where details of living persons are not to be posted on a board. However you can use pm's if necessary.

JJ
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: andreafrost on Sunday 02 September 18 12:17 BST (UK)
Oh dear I didn't know.
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: andreafrost on Sunday 02 September 18 12:25 BST (UK)
I've removed name from my posts but not sure how you remove from other people's posts.  I'm worried now and will definitely remember this for next time. 
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: JJen on Sunday 02 September 18 12:28 BST (UK)
Have sent a pm.

JJ


Thread edited.
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: Maiden Stone on Sunday 02 September 18 18:36 BST (UK)
Is the other daughter, named in Andrea's reply #5 and born after marriage to Daniel Brasier, 1938, still alive? If you don't have proof of her death, her name should be deleted too.
Title: Re: Marriage details?
Post by: andreafrost on Sunday 02 September 18 20:17 BST (UK)
Yes she died a while ago