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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: kjmck on Saturday 01 September 18 22:34 BST (UK)
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Evening
Can anyone give me advice on how to search for this Anne Hatton please in the birth/baptismal records of Co. Mayo?
In 1901 she is living in Gulladuff (Co.Derry) with her husband Henry Magee & Granddaughter, Mary Ann Magee. She is listed as being 65 years old, and her birth place is given as Co. Mayo.
As a side note, she marries Henry Magee on 12th January 1860 in Lavey, Magherafelt but by the time their first child (Anthony) is born toward the end of 1860, they are living in Durham, England.
I don't know how common a name Hatton or McElhatton is in Ireland, so I wondered if that might make her easier to locate, but as of yet I have had zero luck :-\
She died 11th December 1909 in Gulladuff.
Thanks in advance!
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Church records.....
Religion??
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Catholic for sure I would have said.
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Evening
Can anyone give me advice on how to search for this Anne Hatton please in the birth/baptismal records of Co. Mayo?
In 1901 she is living in Gulladuff (Co.Derry) with her husband Henry Magee & Granddaughter, Mary Ann Magee. She is listed as being 65 years old, and her birth place is given as Co. Mayo.
As a side note, she marries Henry Magee on 12th January 1860 in Lavey, Magherafelt but by the time their first child (Anthony) is born toward the end of 1860, they are living in Durham, England.
I don't know how common a name Hatton or McElhatton is in Ireland, so I wondered if that might make her easier to locate, but as of yet I have had zero luck :-\
She died 11th December 1909 in Gulladuff.
Thanks in advance!
Just put Surname in on Census nothing else, and search, you'll see how common it was!
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https://registers.nli.ie/
click on Map
Select Mayo
BUT which Parish??
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That's the thing, I don't know which Parish in mayo she was from. All the information I have to go off is that she was from Co. Mayo based on the 1901 Ireland census. It may be a dead end
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Anne's marriage to Henry Magee come's up as a hint, 12th January 1860, yet going on to NIDirect website, I can't find their marriage record. It would have given me Anne's father's name.
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Registration of Catholic marriages started in 1864.
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I can see she gives Mayo in 1901.
A witness to her marriage in 1860 is Hugh Hatton.
There is a birth 1853, in the same parish, of Hugh Hatton, obviously not the same Hugh, with parents Daniel Hatton and Bridget McCann. A sponsor is Sara Hatton.
There are several Hattons in Catholic records for Termoneeny. They may not be related but it might be worth looking at them.
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Thank you! May I ask where you found the witnesses to the marriage?
So the parish you talk of is Termoneeny?
A rough guess may be that Daniel/Hugh Hatton, could be brother's of Anne.
In 1911 on the marriage registration of Anne's son, John Magee, a James Hatton is a witness also.
This doesn't mean the Hatton's couldn't be from Mayo though I suppose?
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Where did you get the marriage from?
The marriage is Termoneeny /Lavey. https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0371
Ancestry and Find my Past have indexes so it is easier to find surnames.
It could still be that she was born Mayo, I suppose but the family may have moved/originated in Derry.
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I got it from Ancestry, but missed Hugh Hatton's name below.
2 questions I have -
- Do you think, without the Parish name for Anne in Mayo, it's a dead end?
- To get parish records from the North of Ireland, are they available online or is a visit to the Parish church recommended?
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You have the record in the parish record. There will be no more.
The name is not showing in Mayo records.
Have you traced the Hatton marriage witness?
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Hugh Hatton & Susan Murphy? Trying to go through the parish records to look out for names i recognise, a bit hard as its in Latin ???
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There is a James Hatton boarding with a Hugh Hatton and family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Gulladuff/Moyagall/611011/
and two brothers, Daniel and James living together
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Gulladuff/Moyagall/610994/
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James and Daniel with mother Bridget in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Gulladuff/Moyagall/1544905/
The other James with sister Catherine, both single in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Gulladuff/Moyagall/1544932/
Hugh and Susan in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Gulladuff/Moyagall/1544889/
It could be coincidence that these are Hattons are in Gulladuff too - it might be that your connection is through the Magees.
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You have the record in the parish record. There will be no more.
The name is not showing in Mayo records.
Have you traced the Hatton marriage witness?
Sorry, I meant the 1911 marriage but I have now posted censuses.
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Thank you for these. It's late and confusing me easily, so I will have to put aside a good few hours to do the research. I am used to researching records from England/Wales/Scotland, Irish records are a lot harder to deduce at first.
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Hugh Hatton & Susan Murphy? Trying to go through the parish records to look out for names i recognise, a bit hard as its in Latin ???
Surnames were in English. It'll be the handwriting which makes you think it's Latin. ;D
Would it help to make a list of possibles from indexes on FindMyPast and Ancestry first?
After 1864 you can use civil registration website.
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The surname Hatton only shows up 14 times in 1911 in County Londonderry- all R.C. and living in Gulladuff (13 born in Co.Derry & a 5 year old born in Scotland). This points to it being one family or extended family rather than ones who have been settled in a district for generations.
There are 20 Hattons in 1901 census in Co. Derry (2 young boys born Philadelphia & the rest in Co. Derry).
Hattens contributed to the building of Lavey Chapel- http://www.laveyparish.com/smhis2.htm
Some baptisms here- http://www.laveyparish.com/laveybaptisms.html
Old Age Pension claim shows Hatton & McElhatton for same family which isn't surprising-
HATTON Patrick (Brian) Bernard HATTON Catherine HATTON Moyagall Maghera Loughinsholin Londonderry 1916 - Moyagall, Knocktoghrim, Derry. 1851 Bernard and Catherine McElhatton married 1844, Patrick 2, James 4mos.
Hatton (Brian) John of Mayogall county Londonderry farmer died 12 January 1927 Probate Londonderry 3 February to Thomas Muldoon farmer. Effects £92 2s. 6d.
Hatton (Daniel) Patrick of Moyagall county Londonderry farmer died 10 February 1914 Probate Londonderry 14 August to Daniel Hatton farmer. Effects £84 7s. 6d.
Probate of the Will of Edward Hatton late of Mayogall County Londonderry Farmer who died 29 May 1912 granted at Londonderry to John Convery Farmer. Effects £22.
Probate of the Will of James Hatton late of Moyagall, Co. Londonderry, Farmer, who died 3 February 1910, granted at Londonderry 25 August 1920 to Francis Dillon, Farmer. Effects: £6 0s 0d.
Probate of the Will of Mary Hatton late of Mayogall County Londonderry Spinster who died 10 May 1913 granted at Londonderry to Francis Dillon Farmer. Effects £18.
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Hatton burials at Lavey Chapel (no gravestone picture shown so perhaps there isn't one)-
http://www.laveyparish.com/lgynames.html
A Mary Hatton/McElhatton went to Australia- http://www.laveyparish.com/notboard.htm
Here's the orginal Pension Claim form-
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246694/007246694_00667.pdf
They were McHatton in Griffith's Valuation- surname listing for Maghera Parish makes it easier to spot them- https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/derry/maghera.htm
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After finding the above records, I'm wondering if there's a mistake in 1901 census and instead of 'Co. Mayo' for Ann Magee's birthplace it should have read 'Mayogall.'
You can see how close Mayogall is to the centre of Gulladuff so it's understandable those living in Mayogall might give residence as Gulladuff-
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/maghera/moyagall/
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That was my thinking, aghadowey but checking the census seems to be Henry’s own writing and it definitely says County. Someone else may have completed it though.
There are Hatton baptisms to about 4 families 1850s and 60s in the parish and some marriages.
The Magees are in Gulladuff townland in 1901 whilst the Hattons are in next townland, Mayogall.
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My grandfather's illiterate grandmother living with her blind son filled out and signed the 1901 census form but the handwriting was identical to that of her very literate brother living in the next house ;)
Lavey Chapel baptisms from their website which might make it easier to find the children in the register-
? 1853 Jane/John Hatton/Mallon
1853 Mary Hatton
1853 Hugh Hatton
1856 Edward Hatton
1856 Daniel Hatton
1857 Bernard McElhatton/Hatton
1858 Brigid Hatton
1859 Mary McElhatton
1860 Brigid Hatton
1861 James Hatton
1861 James Hatten
1862 Bernard McElhatton
1863 Ann Hatton, Mayogall
1863 James Hatton
1865 Eliza Jane Hatton, Rocktown
1867 Thomas Hattin, Mayogall
1869 Margret McElhatton, Mayogall
1869 John Hatton, Mayogall
1869 Brigid Hatten, Mayogall
1871 Brigid Hatten, Mayogall
1872 Thomas Hatton, Mayogall
1872 Maria Anna Hatton, Mayogall
1872 James Hatton, Mayogall
1873 ? McElhatton/Hatton, Mayogall
1877 Catherine Hatton, Mayogall
1877 Sarah Joanna Hattan, Drumlamph
1878 Margaret Hatton, Mayogall
1884 Anna Maria Hatton, Mayogall
1884 Jacobus Franciseus Hatten, Mayogall
1895 Patrick Hatton, Mayogall
1897 Mary Hatten, Knockloughrim
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Griffiths Valuation (1850s) shows the name as McHatton
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/derry/maghera.htm
More information here re GV and maps http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
These first names occur as fathers’ names in the 1850s parish records. I had already looked to see if Ann was perhaps a sponsor or witness but didn’t find any reference. I might have missed her though as the writing is not the best ;)
As already posted Lavey baptisms
http://www.laveyparish.com/laveybaptisms.html
Contributors to Lavey Chapel
http://www.laveyparish.com/smhis2.htm
Anne was perhaps born too early for parish records which seem to start 1837 so difficult to say whether all these Hattons etc are her extended family or not.
The witness to the 1911 marriage would favour this premise though.
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Wow thanks so much everyone for the replies. A lot of info to take in and sort through!
Maybe you'll be able to help me one more thing, I would just like your opinion on.
John Magee married Mary Anne Downey on 25 April 1911, in Lavey. John is residing in Gulladuff and Mary in Drummuck (sp?). Mary's father is listed as David Downey (Farmer), and it does not say that he is deceased at this time. I've also found a marriage for who I believe to be Mary's sister, Catherine in 1903 to Bernard Convery (Father's name, David Downey (Farmer))
Mary Anne Magee died 27th August 1965, aged 88 years so from that I deduced that her year of birth was roughly 1876.
The only birth i have been able to find is of a Mary Anne Downing on 6th September 1876 to David Downing & Mary Devlin. David is the son of John Downing & Mary the daughter of Patrick Devlin.
There is a David Downey, who died 24th May 1921 in Drummack (sp?) aged 70, a Widower and Farmer, son David was present. I have found 5 births for David Downing & Mary Devlin including Mary Anne & Catherine.
Do you think David Downey, and David Downing... are the same people? Maybe just an error taken down or a name change at some point.
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Wow thanks so much everyone for the replies. A lot of info to take in and sort through!
Maybe you'll be able to help me one more thing, I would just like your opinion on.
Do you think David Downey, and David Downing... are the same people? Maybe just an error taken down or a name change at some point.
Are they there on 1911 Cenus?
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1901 - Gulladuff
David Downing 60 (Widower)
Catherine Downing 24
Mary Anne Downing 22
David Downing 18
1911 - Gulladuff
David Downing 70 (Says Married/Deaf)
David Downing 33
Mary A Downing 35
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1901 - Gulladuff
David Downing 60 (Widower)
Catherine Downing 24
Mary Anne Downing 22
David Downing 18
1911 - Gulladuff
David Downing 70 (Says Married/Deaf)
David Downing 33
Mary A Downing 35
...and David Downey??
If there was a David Downey, and a David Downing
then they are probably different people, (as per your question.)
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I can't seem to find a David Downey in 1901/1911. Catherine was there in 1901, but in 1911 she isn't, which makes me think it is the same Catherine who married Bernard Convery in 1903, I just wanted to be sure I was onto the right track here.
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So there are Downeys and Downings there 1901.
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I did a random search for Downey's in 1901/1911 and found a Henry & Teresa Downey, living in Rocktown, Lavey. So I searched for their marriage which took place in 1888 in Termoneeny and on the certificate Henry is listed as Downey, his father John, is a Downing, and a Francis Downing was a witness.
So it seems there is confusion there also.
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I did a random search for Downey's in 1901/1911 and found a Henry & Teresa Downey, living in Rocktown, Lavey. So I searched for their marriage which took place in 1888 in Termoneeny and on the certificate Henry is listed as Downey, his father John, is a Downing, and a Francis Downing was a witness.
So it seems there is confusion there also.
Groom's signature was Downing. Name was repeated on signature line. Marriage has been indexed as Downing. Bride's surname also had 2 spellings. She didn't sign her name. ::)
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Downing and Downey are used interchangeably in this area ;)