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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: Shane in Aldergrove on Sunday 02 September 18 17:39 BST (UK)
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Greetings all,
I am very new to this, so please bear with me.
I'm trying to track down my grandmother. I believe her maiden name was Mary Jane Brown, born approximately 1884. Mary Jane Brown immigrated to Canada in 1910. The family story is that she left Scotland to meet up with her fiancé in Canada. He had left before her. Apparently he died in Canada as she crossed the Atlantic. No one in our remaining family knows the entry port or ship she crossed on.
She eventually made her way across Canada, met my grandfather and they began their life in the Saskatchewan/Manitoba area.
I believe she was from near Castle Douglas, perhaps Auchencairn. I visited a sister of hers in Auchencairn when I was a very young boy in 1965. It might be possible that Mary Jane Brown was from Auchencairn.
Can anyone help in finding Mary, where she lived, who her parents were?
Thanks for any assistance.
Shane
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Welcome to Rootschat
Any parents named on either her marriage or death certs?
Does a birthyear of 1884 correspond with her age on marriage/death/census?
Is she on the 1911 Canadian census? Where does she give as her birthplace
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Hi Shane,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
What is the name of your Grandfather and when did he marry Mary Jane Brown?
JJ
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Welcome from me too.
If she was born in Kirkcudbrightshire circa 1884, there is just this one, but born Kircudbright rather than any of the parishes around Castle Douglas:
1886 Mary Jane Brown, Kirkcudbright SP ref 871/58
In 1901, this Mary J is with her widowed mother and siblings in Buittle
Jane Brown, widow, 48, farmer, b. Dunlop. Ayrshire
Margaret, d, 26, b. Kircudbright
Alex, s, 24, b. Balmaclellan
Mary J, d, 14, b. Kirkcudbright
Elizabeth G, d, 12, b. -do-
Agnes, d, 10, b. -do--
Gadget
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Mary Jane Brown married Edward Moody approx. 1910-1912. Their first son (my uncle) was born in 1912. I’ve yet to find the records.
The 1911 lists her as Mary Brown, domestic immigrating in 1910 .
A little below her on the 1911 is my grandfather, Edward Moody, listed as lodger.
She is listed in the 1916 as Mary Moody born in , Presbyterian, immigrating in 1910.
The 1916 also lists husband Edward Moody and their four sons.
Four sons in four years—cold prairie winters.
I know a little of her life after her arrival in Canada, but nother really of her in .
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In my previous post, I mentioned that the family were in Buittle in 1901. This parish is the next one to Kelton which is where Castle Douglas is :
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/KKD/parishes
Do you have the name of her children in birth order as it may help with identifying her birth family?
Gadget
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Gadget,
You are a marvel. I'll start with what you've given me. Perhaps my guess at 1884 was off. I've checked with Canadian census records and done the math, but I wonder if she may have been a bit generous with noting her age.
I’ll ask my cousins if they can remember Mary’s siblings names.
Thank-you
Shane
Welcome from me too.
If she was born in Kirkcudbrightshire circa 1884, there is just this one, but born Kircudbright rather than any of the parishes around Castle Douglas:
I886 Mary Jane Brown, Kirkcudbright SP ref 871/58
In 1901, this Mary J is with her widowed mother and siblings in Buittle
Jane Brown, widow, 48, farmer, b. Dunlop. Ayrshire
Margaret, d, 26, b. Kircudbright
Alex, s, 24, b. Balmaclellan
Mary J, d, 14, b. Kirkcudbright
Elizabeth G, d, 12, b. -do-
Agnes, d, 10, b. -do--
Gadget
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Mary's children, were born in Canada— George Martin Moody 1912, John Ivor Moody 1913, Douglas Edward Moody 1913 and Harvey Louis 1915 (my father).
In my previous post, I mentioned that the were in Buittle in 1901. This parish is the next one to Kelton which is where Castle Douglas is :
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/KKD/parishes
Do you have the name of her children in order as it may help with identifying her ?
Gadget
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Just checking:
On the 1916, Souris, Manitoba
Edward Moody, 35
Mary, 32, b. Scotland
Martin, 4
Douglas, 2
Ivor, 2
Harvey 2 1
Gadget
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This is correct depending on the month taken of the census. Douglas and Ivor were twins. Harvey would have been 1-yr old. But this is the Mary I'm looking for.
The 1911 census (Moose Jaw Saskatchewan) lists her (Mary Brown) as age 26
Just checking:
On the 1916, Souris, Manitoba
Edward Moody, 35
Mary, 32, b.
Martin, 4
Douglas, 2
Ivor, 2
Harvey 2
Gadget
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Sorry - finger slip, Harvey was 1. I was in the middle of cooking!
I'll correct it
Do you have a death for her? There might be something on Findagrave or an obit.
Gadget
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The same Brown family in 1881
Torrs, Kirkcudbright
Robert Brown, 34, Dairyman, b. Kelton*
Jane, wife, 27, b. Dunlop, Ayrshire
Alexander, s, 4, b, Kirkcudbrightshire
Robert, s, 3, b. Borgue
John, s, 1, b. Kirkcudbright
+ 2 servants
* Kelton includes Castle Douglas
Gadget
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Nothing on the Manitoba Marriage index :-\
I believe she was from near Castle Douglas, perhaps Auchencairn. I visited a sister of hers in Auchencairn when I was a very young boy in 1965. It might be possible that Mary Jane Brown was from Auchencairn.
Do you happen to remember the sister's name?
The 1901 has Margaret, Elizabeth and Agnes
Gadget
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The Brown family from Buittle as in the census of 1891,1901 and 1911 appear on kirkyards.co.uk at Buittle Kirkyard as follows
289 In loving memory of Robert Brown, who died at Barchain, 18th Nov'r. 1889, aged 42 years. Jane Brown, his wife, who died at Barchain, 27th Nov'r. 1913, aged 59 years. William Calderwood Brown, their son, Pte. 1/4 K.O.S.B., who died of wounds at 53rd casualty clearing station, Palestine, 20th April 1917, aged 32 years. Alexander Brown , their son, who died at Lincoln Villa, Castle Douglas, 11th Feb'y 1957, in his 81st year. Mary Jane Brown, their daughter, who died at Lincoln Villa, Castle Douglas, 9th Nov'r 1958, aged 72 years.
This may not be the same Mary Jane Brown you are looking for as she has died in Castle Douglas although she may have returned home.
hmcc
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Thank-you for this. The Mary Jane Brown I'm looking for died in Winnipeg Manitobe in 1966.
I'm really quite impressed with all the help with my search.
The Brown family from Buittle as in the census of 1891,1901 and 1911 appear on kirkyards.co.uk at Buittle Kirkyard as follows
289 In loving memory of Robert Brown, who died at Barchain, 18th Nov'r. 1889, aged 42 years. Jane Brown, his wife, who died at Barchain, 27th Nov'r. 1913, aged 59 years. William Calderwood Brown, their son, Pte. 1/4 K.O.S.B., who died of wounds at 53rd casualty clearing station, Palestine, 20th April 1917, aged 32 years. Alexander Brown , their son, who died at Lincoln Villa, Castle Douglas, 11th Feb'y 1957, in his 81st year. Mary Jane Brown, their daughter, who died at Lincoln Villa, Castle Douglas, 9th Nov'r 1958, aged 72 years.
This may not be the same Mary Jane Brown you are looking for as she has died in Castle Douglas although she may have returned home.
hmcc
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How sure are you that she was from Kirkcudbrightshire?
Gadget
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I've just found an online tree that has her born Dumfries. I'm not sure how reliable the info is though. I'll keep searching.
Gadget
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The perfect question. I always thought she was from Auchencairn. I had visited an Aunt there in 1965. In the mists of time, I was very young and I've forgoten my Aunt's name. I'll check with the other two cousins. One of my cousins tells me, that a related family member to Mary Jane Brown (perhaps a nephew?) was a Dr. Henry Jarvis (Jervis?) living in Creetown. He had a surgery in his home. My cousin met him in 1981 and she believes he was in his mid 80’s then. He died later that year.
And again....that was the perfect question.
How sure are you that she was from Kirkcudbrightshire?
Gadget
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Another tree has her born in 1878 and I've found a birth on SP in Rerrick for that year - which is probably the closest to the info you've given.
In 1881, this Mary Brown b. Rerrick is aged 2 and is living with her grandfather, a William Clint, aged 84 b. Kelton and quite a few of his other grandchildren. These include a Margaret Brown, granddaughter, aged 24.
Worth following up but it's rather late now. I'll try again tomorrow if no one else has found any more.
Gadget
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Creetown, Castle Douglas - my mother's ancestors were from those parts ;D
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Gadget, please enjoy the rest of the day. You've done so much and so fast.
This latest path may be the correct one as another branch of our family did a genealogy book almost 40 years ago and listed Mary Jane Brown as being born in 1978. We’ve always dismissed that as it didn’t aligne with the Canadian census. Perhaps she misrepresented her age on the 1911 census.
Another tree has her born in 1878 and I've found a on SP in Rerrick for that year - which is probably the closest to the info you've given.
In 1881, this Mary Brown b. Rerrick is aged 2 and is living with her grandfather, a William Clint, aged 84 b. Kelton and quite a few of his other grandchildren. These include a Margaret Brown, granddaughter, aged 24.
Worth following up but it's rather late now. I'll try again tomorrow if no one else has found any more.
Gadget
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The Clint family:
1841 Auchencairn, Rerrick
William, 40,
Sarah, 40
William, 16
Mary, 10
Peter, 8
Elizabeth, 6
Sarah, 4
Margaret, 1
All b. Kirkcudbrightshire.
1851 Rerick
William, 50, ag lab, b. Kelton
Sarah, 53,
James, 22, iron miner
Elizabeth, 16
Sarah, 14
Margaret, 12
All b. Rerrick except William
1861 Island of Heston, Rerrick
William, 63, ag lab, b. Kelton
Sarah, 64
Elizabeth, 22, ag lab
Sarah, 29, ag lab
Jane Duff granddaughter, 9
Elizabeth Brown, gd, 6
Margagaret Brown, gd 4
Sarah Ellis, gd, 4
All b. Rerrick except William
1871 Rerrick , parish of Rerrick
William, 75, labourer
Sarah, 74
Margaret Brown, gd, 14
Sarah Alles/Ellis, gd, 13
1881 Main Street Rerrick
William Clint, Sr, widower, 84, general labourer, b. Kelton
Margaret Brown, gd, unm, 24, housekeeper
Jane Duff. gd, unm, 29, servant - dom unemp
Mary Brown, gd, 2
William Clint, gs, 2 , b. England
Robert Henry, ?, under 1
b. Rerrick, except where stated.
Note - these are from transcriptions
Gadget
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I'm having problems locating after 1881 ~
Nearest for this Mary in 1901
Mollance House, Crossmichael
Mary J Brown, servant, 22, housemaid (domestic) , b. Auchencairn
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Birth registration for this Mary Jane Brown:
Mary Jane Brown (illegitimate)
Born 20 June 1878 at 4 am, Auchencairn village.
Mother - Margaret Brown, Cook.
Informant - Janet Hughan, aunt. Present
Now to find which of the Clints was Margaret's mother.
Gadget
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Margaret Hyslop Brown
Born 15 April 1856 at 2. 15 pm Auchencairn village
Parents - James Brown, miner and Mary Brown, MN Clint*
Informant - James Brown, father.
Gadget
* Mary was aged 10 in 1841
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No absolute proof so far, Shane, but this one feels right!
Gadget
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Mary Clint's baptism in 1831, giving Sarah's maiden name as Hyslop
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XBBM-6M2
The other Clint children are also listed on Familysearch
Gadget
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Looks as if Mary died 15 Jan 1858
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/121404519
Gadget
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The link has the grave stone of the Clint family but it's not very high contrast to see. I have the MIs for all the Kirkcudbrightshire parishes so will get my booklet out and transcribe.
Gadget
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Auchencairn grave yard:
The plan suggests that the grave is about 1/3 to 1/2 way down on the east side of the grave yard
Wm Clint d. Auchencairn 1.6.1888, 96
w Sarah Hyslop d. Auchencairn 18.2. 1879,84
s Jas d Auchencairn d 19.7.1828, 16m
s Peter d Auchencairn 31.10.1844, 11
da Mary d. Auchencairn 15.1.1858, 26
gda Jane d Anarlay London 22.3.1902
da Elizabeth d Auchencairn 31.10.1931, 97
Note that it is quite usual for married women to be referred to by their maiden surname.
Gadget
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Mary Clint and James Brown were married in Rerrick parish on 10 March 1854. Unfortunately, it was before statutory registration so not a lot of information.
Gadget
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This could be James Brown in 1851
Rerrick
Adam Brown, 78, Pauper, b. Ireland
Janet, w, 68, b. Carluke, Lanarks
Marrion Connel, gda, unm, 32, seamstress, b.Rerrick
James Brown, grds, 21, iron miner, b.Rerrick
Adam Brown, -, 12, b. Kelton
Gadget
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1841
Auchencairn
Adam Brown, 50, b. Ireland
Janet, 45, b. Scotland
Margaret, 30, b. Ireland
George, 25, b. Kirkcudbrighshire
Marion Connel, 20, b. -do-
James Connel, 9, b. -do-
Adam, Connel 2, b. -do-
Could James and Adam Connel be the James and Adam Brown in the 1851?
Gadget
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I've found a possible for James Brown right through the censuses but will wait to see what you think of the information before I do any more.
Gadget
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Just to add emigration/immigration info:
The closest passenger record that I can find is of a Mary J Brown, spinster, on the Corsican departing Liverpool on 16 June 1910 for Montreal.
Arrival, Montreal 23 June 1910 . Listed as aged 27. Destination Winnipeg, Manitoba. Previous occupation - Domestic - also intended occupation.
Entry is stamped 'British Bonds Allowed'.
Gadget
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Think this M.I. at Auchencairn churchyard will also be a connection to the Brown family with Clint and Hyslop connections -
27 In loving memory of Pte. William Clint Muir, Lanarkshire Yeomanry, youngest son of James Muir, who died at Auchencairn, 19th Feb’y 1916, aged 21 years. Also the above James Muir , who died at Auchencairn, 30th Oct’r 1926, aged 67 years. Also James, his son, who died at London, Ontario, Canada, 14th Feb’y 1927, aged 41 years. Also Margaret Hyslop Brown, his wife, who died at Auchencairn, 25th May 1943, aged 87 years. Also Andrew, his son, who died at Auchencairn, 3rd March 1965, aged 80 years.
hmcc
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One of my cousins tells me, that a related family member to Mary Jane Brown (perhaps a nephew?) was a Dr. Henry Jarvis (Jervis?) living in Creetown. He had a surgery in his home. My cousin met him in 1981 and she believes he was in his mid 80’s then. He died later that year.
Just found the death entry of Margaret Hyslop Brown, probably Mary Jane's mother:
Margaret Muir, widow of James Muir, labourer. Aged 87
Died - 25 May 1943, 1 pm at Cottage Hospital, Castle Douglas
Parents - James Brown (deceased) and Margaret(??)* Brown MS Clint (deceased)
Cause - Myocarditis, Acute Cardiac failure.
Informant - A H Jarvis, Son in law, Auchencairn
* informants often give the wrong name and as Mary Brown (MS Clint) died in 1858. It is probable that her daughter's son in law would be unsure/mistake the name.
It now looks very likely that the Mary Jane, daughter of Margaret Brown, b. 1878 is your Mary Jane.
Gadget
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Hmcc- I missed your posting - it looks like your find corroborates my info :)
I think we've got them!
Gadget
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Summary:
William Clint - Sarah Hyslop
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Mary Hyslop Clint - James Brown
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Margaret Brown (later married James Muir)
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Mary Jane Brown
Gadget
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Alfred Henry Jarvis married Sarah Muir Lambeth Q2 1907.
They were the likely parents of the Dr Henry Jarivs that you remember.
Alfred died in 1950, Auchencairn. Henry Jarvis was the informant.
Gadget
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Marriage entry at st Barnabas Church, Kennigton, London (RD- Lambeth)
April 28 1907 Alfred Henry Jarvis, 28 Bach, stoker
Father - John Jarvis, Cabinet Maker
Sarah Muir, 24, spinster
Father - James Muir, Labourer
Gadget
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Alfred Henry Jarvis married Sarah Muir Lambeth Q2 1907.
They were the likely parents of the Dr Henry Jarivs that you remember.
Alfred died in 1950, Auchencairn. Henry Jarvis was the informant.
Seems to be Gadget...death from scotlandspeople;
JARVIS HENRY 71
MUIR (mms)
1981
856/ 12 Kirkmabreck
Annie
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Again in Auchencairn churchyard -
260 In memory of Alfred Jarvis, died 7th April 1950, aged 71years. Also Sarah Hyslop Muir, wife of above, who died 25th July 1971, aged 88 years.
hmcc
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I've not found any record so far in Ireland for William Clint :-\
Are there any other Clints in the area, b. Ireland?
Added - I'm mixing him up with the Brown family - he was b. Kelton/Castle Douglas!!
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Sarah Hyslop's parents were William Hyslop, shoemaker, and Sarah MS Thomson.
Gadget
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Sarah Hyslop and William Clint, Auchencairn M.I.
Erected in memory of Sarah Hyslop, wife of William Clint, who died at Auchencairn, 18th Feb’y 1879, aged 84 years. Also James, their son, who died at the same place 19th July 1828, aged 16 months. Also Peter, their son, who died at the same place, 31st Oct,r 1844, aged 11 years. Also Mary Clint, their daughter, who died at the same place, 15th Jan’ry 1858, aged 26 years. Also the said William Clint, who died at same place on the 1st June 1888, aged 96 years. Also Jane, their grand-daughter who died at Anerley, London, 22nd March 1902. Also Elizabeth Clint, their daughter, who died at Auchencairn, 31st Oct’r 1931, aged 97 years.
There are another 4 Clint M.I.s (Auchencairn)but may not be all related.
hmcc
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See my earlier post ;D
Auchencairn grave yard:
The plan suggests that the grave is about 1/3 to 1/2 way down on the east side of the grave yard
Wm Clint d. Auchencairn 1.6.1888, 96
w Sarah Hyslop d. Auchencairn 18.2. 1879,84
s Jas d Auchencairn d 19.7.1828, 16m
s Peter d Auchencairn 31.10.1844, 11
da Mary d. Auchencairn 15.1.1858, 26
gda Jane d Anarlay London 22.3.1902
da Elizabeth d Auchencairn 31.10.1931, 97
Note that it is quite usual for married women to be referred to by their maiden surname.
Gadget
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Also a photo on Findagrave
Looks as if Mary died 15 Jan 1858
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/121404519
Gadget
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Wow!, this is a lot to digest. Let me go through this and check with my cousins.
I'm in awe of what you've come up with.
Shane
Mary Clint's baptism in 1831, giving Sarah's maiden name as Hyslop
https://www.search.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XBBM-6M2
The other Clint children are also listed on search
Gadget
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Gadget,
I was going over e-mails with my cousins from years past and found one from five years ago in which my oldest cousin mentions—“My version of what I know about Grandmother Mary Brown. Understood she was illegitimate and grew up with cousins . . .”
He goes on to talk about her travels across Canada and many of the difficulties she faced.
The mention of “illegitimate” falls in place with what you’ve found.
Again thanks for your assistance.
Birth registration for this Mary Jane Brown:
Mary Jane Brown (illegitimate)
Born 20 June 1878 at 4 am, Auchencairn village.
Mother - Margaret Brown, Cook.
Informant - Janet Hughan, aunt. Present
Now to find which of the Clints was Margaret's mother.
Gadget
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A bit of a descrepancy with yr of death for Mary (SP)...
CLINT MARY 26 (also registered as Brown)
HYSLOP (mms)
1857
879/ 38 Rerrick
I wonder who this is, looks to be illegitimate?
CLINT MARGARET MCKIE 1
CLINT (mms)
1857
879/ 8 Rerrick
Caught my eye as both died same yr & same place so possibly related?
Annie