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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Diarmuidgannon1916 on Sunday 02 September 18 22:11 BST (UK)
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Hi there
I am researching my family history during the 1916 rising my great grandfather Christopher jordan and his son James, where shot at there home at 5 grants row off lr mount street , on the 29th April 1916 the day of the surrender, they were both citizens army, that not the problem I have all there information, but on the same day I had another relative also shot dead close to sir Patrick Dunn,s hospital , I have traced the women that where shot dead on 29th April , Bridget Barry, Mary Anne Cole ,Mary Anne Corrigan, Elizabeth Moran, Mary Morris, Georgina Murphy, Margaret Naylor, Mary timmons, Kate Walsh , here my problem one of these women are Christopher jordan relation, but these women may have be married at the time of there death , and some of there ages may have been guessed , I've found all death certs 1916 , all bar , one Kate Walsh, I did find one Kate Walsh but it for the 22nd may 1916, so I am trying to connect one of these women to my family the Jordan's, these women's births or census may hold different names if married,
All help welcomed
Diarmuid.
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What was Cause of Death on 22nd may 1916 one??
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Shock and cardiac, heart attack !
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Welcome to Rootschat :)
That would be this lady
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05245/4453619.pdf
Besides the causes you posted she also had postpartum haemorrhage which is bleeding following childbirth.
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Kate Walsh
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/163054381
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She isn't mentioned in
1916: The Rising Handbook By Lorcan Collins
https://books.google.ie/books?id=XxV4CwAAQBAJ&pg=PT111&lpg=PT111&dq=%22Patrick+Dun%27s+hospital+1916%22&source=bl&ots=DYLJ9qGCdd&sig=HhoPkfWAS2ubXDyZSidBqzNaKRA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3xZPHoZ3dAhVpDsAKHZjhBtQQ6AEwAHoECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q=Walsh&f=false
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Hi Hallmark,
See post # 4
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Hi Hallmark,
See post # 4
Yes I saw that.
Shock and cardiac arrest and also had postpartum haemorrage wouldn't make her a Civilian Casualty of the 1916 Easter Rising in Dublin.....
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Welcome to Rootschat :)
That would be this lady
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05245/4453619.pdf
Besides the causes you posted she also had postpartum haemorrhage which is bleeding following childbirth.
So..... was there a baby registered?
Also begs there question: Why not buried in family plot?
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Was Christopher's wife Elizabeth Kelly?
Is this the family?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Trinity_Ward/Cumberland_Street__South/93121/
Christopher's father was James edited to correct name.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10659/5884060.pdf
This info might prove useful proving one of the women was related to Christopher.
Do the women's death Certs say if they were married or single.
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Are you sure the woman was related to Christopher not his wife?
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Are you sure the woman was related to Christopher not his wife?
Yes Christopher, sorry about messages
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Hi Hallmark,
See post # 4
Yes I saw that.
Shock and cardiac arrest and also had postpartum haemorrage wouldn't make her a Civilian Casualty of the 1916 Easter Rising in Dublin.....
Re Post #4 - nothing to do with cause of death.
I just meant she was a civilian and maybe that is why she was not mentioned in the book you referenced.
Additionally.
Is that death now being accepted as the correct lady?
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As none of the women in the list appear to be a married Jordan, it's possible she is a niece (single or married) of Christopher.
Christopher had sisters.
Their parents are James Jordan and Mary Fitzpatrick.
At least some of their children can be found on Irish Genealogy church records.
Find the daughters, find who they married, find their daughters. Maybe there will be a match.
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Here is the birth of the baby to Kate Walsh whose death was posted earlier.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01345/1555070.pdf
Baby, Mary Bridget 22nd May parents James, a soldier and Kate Newton (possibly Heaton).
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As none of the women in the list appear to be a married Jordan, it's possible she is a niece (single or married) of Christopher.
Christopher had sisters.
Their parents are James Jordan and Mary Fitzpatrick.
At least some of their children can be found on Irish Genealogy church records.
Find the daughters, find who they married, find their daughters. Maybe there will be a match.
Hi
There
I have found all daughters of James Jordan and Mary Fitzpatrick,
Christopher sisters,Ellen , born feb13th 1874, Agnes born 1876 30th Nov, Mary 1880 24th may ,katherine Aug 20th 1883, Margaret, June 27th 1885 , could only one marriage , katherine married 4th Feb 1914.
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Katherine, Margaret and Mary wouldn't be old enough to have a married daughter so that rules them out.
Pushing things with Agnes and Ellen as well. Think this idea was a non runner.
I take it that this is James and Mary in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Trinity/Cumberland_Street_South/1310155/
and this is likely to be Katherine and Margaret in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_Dock/Queen_s_Square/81072/
Had both parents died by 1911, if Mary was alive she may have recorded how many children she had and how many were living.
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Katherine, Margaret and Mary wouldn't be old enough to have a married daughter so that rules them out.
Pushing things with Agnes and Ellen as well. Think this idea was a non runner.
I take it that this is James and Mary in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Trinity/Cumberland_Street_South/1310155/
and this is likely to be Katherine and Margaret in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_Dock/Queen_s_Square/81072/
Had both parents died by 1911, if Mary was alive she may have recorded how many children she had and how many were living.
Yes both census are correct sinann have them but only found marriage for katherine Jordan she married a thomas ballance Feb 4th 1914 that's seems correct because her father worked as a marble works.so Agnes and Ellen may or may not married.
So it look like I am back to the drawing board. Thanks for your efforts.
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Hi there
I am researching my family history during the 1916 rising my great grandfather Christopher jordan and his son James, where shot at there home at 5 grants row off lr mount street , on the 29th April 1916 the day of the surrender, they were both citizens army, that not the problem I have all there information, but on the same day I had another relative also shot dead close to sir Patrick Dunn,s hospital , I have traced the women that where shot dead on 29th April , Bridget Barry, Mary Anne Cole ,Mary Anne Corrigan, Elizabeth Moran, Mary Morris, Georgina Murphy, Margaret Naylor, Mary timmons, Kate Walsh , here my problem one of these women are Christopher jordan relation, but these women may have be married at the time of there death , and some of there ages may have been guessed , I've found all death certs 1916 , all bar , one Kate Walsh, I did find one Kate Walsh but it for the 22nd may 1916, so I am trying to connect one of these women to my family the Jordan's, these women's births or census may hold different names if married,
All help welcomed
Diarmuid
Any help or information
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Hi there
I am researching my family history during the 1916 rising my great grandfather Christopher jordan and his son James, where shot at there home at 5 grants row off lr mount street , on the 29th April 1916 the day of the surrender, they were both citizens army, that not the problem I have all there information, but on the same day I had another relative also shot dead close to sir Patrick Dunn,s hospital , I have traced the women that where shot dead on 29th April , Bridget Barry, Mary Anne Cole ,Mary Anne Corrigan, Elizabeth Moran, Mary Morris, Georgina Murphy, Margaret Naylor, Mary timmons, Kate Walsh , here my problem one of these women are Christopher jordan relation, but these women may have be married at the time of there death , and some of there ages may have been guessed , I've found all death certs 1916 , all bar , one Kate Walsh, I did find one Kate Walsh but it for the 22nd may 1916, so I am trying to connect one of these women to my family the Jordan's, these women's births or census may hold different names if married,
All help welcomed
Diarmuid
Any help or information welcomed
Also any private information on cumann na mban drumcondra branch ie old photos or memories , have all public information, as my great aunt Maggie Morrissey nee jordan was a member 1922 upwards
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Hi Diarmaid,
I have just recently started a family tree. I am not used to these forums so hopefully, if you reply to this I will be able to find same. My wife's great-grandmother was Mary Timmons, thus the interest.
I'm not sure if I can be of assistance to you but maybe the information you may have at hand could be of help to me. My wife's family have some information on their great-grandmother but I'm sure there is much more out there.
Hope this reaches you.
Derek