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Title: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: rgouette on Monday 03 September 18 01:34 BST (UK)
Howdy,
I'm searching for a marriage record for:  Thomas McCallum and Agnes McNabeny, 1862
in Kilkeel


anyone?
Thanks much,
Rich
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: oldohiohome on Monday 03 September 18 05:29 BST (UK)
I tried:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=thomas&namel=Mccallum&location=Kilkeel&yyfrom=1860&yyto=1864&type=M&submit=Search

and got:

Name   THOMAS MC CALLUM
Date of Event   1862
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Kilkeel
Returns Year   1862
Returns Quarter   1
Returns Volume No   6
Returns Page No   305

Photocopies or official certificates can be obtained via the following link.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do

But the only problem is  I then looked for "Agnes" in 1862 and nothing came back, so maybe this isn't what you are looking for.

Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: oldohiohome on Monday 03 September 18 05:42 BST (UK)
This is the only Agnes that shows up. Same Quarter and Volume, but not the same page. I don't know if they are recorded the same as the English records of the same time period, but I don't know why they wouldn't be. With the English records, you find the bride and groom on the same page.

Name   AGNES STEWART
Date of Event   1862
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Kilkeel
Returns Year   1862
Returns Quarter   1
Returns Volume No   6
Returns Page No   267
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: dathai on Monday 03 September 18 09:42 BST (UK)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGX2-33H
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: gaffy on Monday 03 September 18 10:22 BST (UK)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGX2-33H


The addresses recorded in the 1862 Newcastle Presbyterian Church marriage of Thomas McCallum to Elizabeth Menaberry were Ballybrick and Ballynagappoge respectively.

This looks like it could the the same chap marrying an Agnes Menaberry / Menabeny in Clonduff Presbyterian Church in September 1874:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11243/8123176.pdf

A daughter Margaret Jane McCallum was then baptised in Clonduff Presbyterian Church for parents given as Thomas McCallum and Agnes McNabney on 14 February 1875 (DOB given as 9 December 1874).

Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: oldohiohome on Monday 03 September 18 10:50 BST (UK)

The addresses recorded in the 1862 Newcastle Presbyterian Church marriage of Thomas McCallum to Elizabeth Menaberry were Ballybrick and Ballynagappoge respectively.

A daughter Margaret Jane McCallum was then baptised in Clonduff Presbyterian Church for parents given as Thomas McCallum and Agnes McNabney on 14 February 1875 (DOB given as 9 December 1874).

Are the Presbyterian records online? Could you tell me where they are, please?
- Ed H
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: gaffy on Monday 03 September 18 10:55 BST (UK)
Ed H, I've pm'ed you.
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: oldohiohome on Monday 03 September 18 11:02 BST (UK)
Ed H, I've pm'ed you.
thank you
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: rgouette on Monday 03 September 18 14:35 BST (UK)
Ed H, I've pm'ed you.

I would welcome anything pointing me toward the baptism certificate for Margaret Jane,  as i've not found that as yet..

cheers,
Rich
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 03 September 18 15:26 BST (UK)
I would welcome anything pointing me toward the baptism certificate for Margaret Jane,  as i've not found that as yet..
cheers,
Rich

This one?
A daughter Margaret Jane McCallum was then baptised in Clonduff Presbyterian Church for parents given as Thomas McCallum and Agnes McNabney on 14 February 1875 (DOB given as 9 December 1874).
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: rgouette on Monday 03 September 18 15:29 BST (UK)
yessir
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Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 03 September 18 15:33 BST (UK)
You've been given all the information- the church, child's name, dates of birth & baptism & names of both parents so what more are you looking for?
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: rgouette on Monday 03 September 18 15:44 BST (UK)
ok, apologies.
I think I lost track of the thread , and what I was looking for originally..
Had to go back through the dialog & realized there was a .pdf link of Thomas/Agnes marriage in Clonduff.
I ultimately am wanting to know where Thomas father Duncan place of birth is.

Not sure what my next step is, to try & find that..

Thanks again for your assistance, is it greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Rich
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: dathai on Monday 03 September 18 16:22 BST (UK)
Margaret's birth as McColum
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03130/2147876.pdf
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: rgouette on Monday 03 September 18 16:25 BST (UK)
ah yes, spelling variation #132!

;)
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: dathai on Monday 03 September 18 16:29 BST (UK)
Ah i see
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LY1D-FZB
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: dathai on Monday 03 September 18 21:33 BST (UK)
On the 1874 marriage one of the witnesses is Martha Lister who appears to be Agnes's sister
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGXN-KPM

one daughter Eliza born 1870
257
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03338/2223441.pdf
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: rgouette on Monday 03 September 18 21:59 BST (UK)
huh
could be...interesting
thanks!

Still looking for the illusive Duncan MCCallum!!

:)
Title: Re: Marrriage record for Thomas & Agnes; Kilkeel 1862
Post by: dathai on Monday 03 September 18 22:22 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mn7/


looks like the Lister/Lysters
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Rathfriland/Drummascaugh/1249607/

1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Rathfryland/Drumnascamph/258173/