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Title: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: mediclotte40 on Monday 03 September 18 15:36 BST (UK)
hi
am hoping someone will be able to help in finding my grandfathers birth I have found his death his marriage also electoral roll details but no birth..also he was in the raf and that has drawn a blank too

Frederick eric hooper 1894/6 and pretty sure was from Yorkshire although may have not been born there
any advice help would be great
regards
charlotte
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: stanmapstone on Monday 03 September 18 15:43 BST (UK)
Is this him?
Name Frederick Eric Hooper
Birth   18/04/1894
Death 03/1978 Manchester Greater Manchester England

Stan
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: osprey on Monday 03 September 18 15:44 BST (UK)
There's a possible 1929 marriage in Yorkshire which gives his father as Thomas Hooper, mining official, deceased.
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 03 September 18 15:49 BST (UK)
Is this him?
Name Frederick Eric Hooper
Birth   18/04/1894
Death 03/1978 Manchester Greater Manchester England

Stan

He could be the one in Selby 1939 same day/month but 1890.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 03 September 18 15:49 BST (UK)
If he was in the RAF and serving after 1920 his records are still with the MOD
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=651361.0
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: philipsearching on Monday 03 September 18 15:55 BST (UK)
A couple of questions:

Do you have the name and occupation  of Frederick's father (from the marriage cert)?
Do you know Frederick's mother's name?

It could be worth finding the parents' marriage (just in case it was after Frederick was born - it does happen - and Frederick's birth was registered under his mother's maiden name).  The 1911 census would be helpful in finding how long the parents were married and how many children they had.

Philip

(ADDED - is the potential marriage found by Osprey your man)
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 03 September 18 15:59 BST (UK)
There's a possible 1929 marriage in Yorkshire which gives his father as Thomas Hooper, mining official, deceased.

This  marriage on FreeBMD includes  a Postem which says "this is my grandparents marriage fred hooper can not find his birth...around 1896-1899 manchester  - could have been born Lester as his mother was Clara"
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Christine53 on Monday 03 September 18 16:08 BST (UK)
There is an WW1 RAF record for Fred Eric Hooper , civilian occupation craneman and electrician, aged 23 years and 1 month on 16.5.17.  It appears to show transfer from the army , but I'm having difficulty understanding it  ;D. It names his next of kin as his mother , again I'm having difficulty ; ? Amy Hooper  of 24 Low ( possibly Tow ) Lane End ,  Hetton Downs  , Co  Durham.

Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: stanmapstone on Monday 03 September 18 16:21 BST (UK)
There is a Frederick Hooper, age 16, in the 1911 census at 10 Blossom St Hetton Downs Co Durham RSO. Mother Rose  Hooper (Rose A Hooper in 1901)

Stan
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: stanmapstone on Monday 03 September 18 16:25 BST (UK)
His birth date is 7 Jul 1895. Spouse Phyllis V Hopper

Stan
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: osprey on Monday 03 September 18 16:30 BST (UK)
1901 34 Springwell, Hetton le Hole, RG13/4696 folio 17 pg 36
Thomas Hooper head mar 47 coal hewer b. Cornwall
Rose A wife 45 b. Cornwall
Bessy dau 15 b. Lancashire
Thos son 14 driver pot in pit? b. Lancashire
Eliza dau 11 b. Trimdon
Edith dau 8 b. Haswell
Fredk 6 b. Hetton
James A son 4 b. Hetton
Joan E dau 2 b. Hetton

birth reg Frederick Hooper june qtr 1894 Houghton le Spring vol 10a pg 516 mmn Mills
marriage Thomas Hooper & Rosanna Mills both on sept qtr 1876 Burnley vol 8e pg 357
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Christine53 on Monday 03 September 18 16:33 BST (UK)
There is an WW1 RAF record for Fred Eric Hooper , civilian occupation craneman and electrician, aged 23 years and 1 month on 16.5.17.  It appears to show transfer from the army , but I'm having difficulty understanding it  ;D. It names his next of kin as his mother , again I'm having difficulty ; ? Amy Hooper  of 24 Low ( possibly Tow ) Lane End ,  Hetton Downs  , Co  Durham.

The address is Four Lane Ends. It's on the service record for James Hooper b 1895 Hetton le Hole 11749 Yorkshire Regiment - James A Hooper in the 1901 census ?
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: mediclotte40 on Tuesday 04 September 18 08:20 BST (UK)
wow thank you all for in put will be able to digest it all after work
I know for sure he marries irene Harrison in 1917 and died 1978
daughters cynthia eunice rose(my mother) and freda
i will get back once iv'e tried to work out what's what
once again thank you all amazed had a response
charlotte
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: mediclotte40 on Tuesday 04 September 18 08:21 BST (UK)
Is this him?
Name Frederick Eric Hooper
Birth   18/04/1894
Death 03/1978 Manchester Greater Manchester England

Stan
yes stan that is him
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: mediclotte40 on Tuesday 04 September 18 09:01 BST (UK)
There's a possible 1929 marriage in Yorkshire which gives his father as Thomas Hooper, mining official, deceased.
hi osprey I know he was married 1927 to irene Harrison so 99% sure not him he was an electrician by trade and also served in r.af
many thanks
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: mediclotte40 on Tuesday 04 September 18 09:02 BST (UK)
His birth date is 7 Jul 1895. Spouse Phyllis V Hopper

Stan
hi stan that's not him spouse irene Harrison I know that for sure
charlotte
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: mediclotte40 on Tuesday 04 September 18 09:07 BST (UK)
There is an WW1 RAF record for Fred Eric Hooper , civilian occupation craneman and electrician, aged 23 years and 1 month on 16.5.17.  It appears to show transfer from the army , but I'm having difficulty understanding it  ;D. It names his next of kin as his mother , again I'm having difficulty ; ? Amy Hooper  of 24 Low ( possibly Tow ) Lane End ,  Hetton Downs  , Co  Durham.

The address is Four Lane Ends. It's on the service record for James Hooper b 1895 Hetton le Hole 11749 Yorkshire Regiment - James A Hooper in the 1901 census ?
hi Christine don't think it's him as on all stuff can find he is named and Frederick eric but thank you
charlotte
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 September 18 09:08 BST (UK)
His birth date is 7 Jul 1895. Spouse Phyllis V Hopper

Stan
hi stan that's not him spouse irene Harrison I know that for sure
charlotte

So this is his marriage....

Marriages Jun 1929

Harrison    Irene   to  Hooper   in  Rotherham    9c   1332    
Hooper    Frederick E   to  Harrison   in Rotherham    9c   1332
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: mediclotte40 on Tuesday 04 September 18 09:15 BST (UK)
His birth date is 7 Jul 1895. Spouse Phyllis V Hopper

Stan
hi stan that's not him spouse irene Harrison I know that for sure
charlotte
yes that'a him sorry got dates mixed up
So this is his marriage....

Marriages Jun 1929

Harrison    Irene   to  Hooper   in  Rotherham    9c   1332    
Hooper    Frederick E   to  Harrison   in Rotherham    9c   1332
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: mediclotte40 on Tuesday 04 September 18 09:19 BST (UK)
There's a possible 1929 marriage in Yorkshire which gives his father as Thomas Hooper, mining official, deceased.
hi osprey I know he was married 1927 to irene Harrison so 99% sure not him he was an electrician by trade and also served in r.af
many thanks
hi again osprey I had got my dates mixed up brain fog from trying to find him...how on earth did you find his fathers name prob a silly question but only started this all again after 10 years so out of practice
charlotte
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 04 September 18 09:37 BST (UK)
Did he have siblings?

Jamjar
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 04 September 18 09:59 BST (UK)
There is an WW1 RAF record for Fred Eric Hooper , civilian occupation craneman and electrician, aged 23 years and 1 month on 16.5.17.  It appears to show transfer from the army , but I'm having difficulty understanding it  ;D. It names his next of kin as his mother , again I'm having difficulty ; ? Amy Hooper  of 24 Low ( possibly Tow ) Lane End ,  Hetton Downs  , Co  Durham.

The address is Four Lane Ends. It's on the service record for James Hooper b 1895 Hetton le Hole 11749 Yorkshire Regiment - James A Hooper in the 1901 census ?

There is a Frederick with James, parents Thomas and Rose:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSHB-83L

On the 1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH4-6WT

Jamjar
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 04 September 18 10:10 BST (UK)
There is an WW1 RAF record for Fred Eric Hooper , civilian occupation craneman and electrician, aged 23 years and 1 month on 16.5.17.  It appears to show transfer from the army , but I'm having difficulty understanding it  ;D. It names his next of kin as his mother , again I'm having difficulty ; ? Amy Hooper  of 24 Low ( possibly Tow ) Lane End ,  Hetton Downs  , Co  Durham.

The address is Four Lane Ends. It's on the service record for James Hooper b 1895 Hetton le Hole 11749 Yorkshire Regiment - James A Hooper in the 1901 census ?

There is a Frederick with James, parents Thomas and Rose:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSHB-83L

On the 1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH4-6WT

Jamjar

The maiden name of mother of this family is MILLS

HOOPER, FREDERICK mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1894  J Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING  Volume 10A  Page 516

HOOPER, JAMES  ALBERT mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1896  M Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING  Volume 10A  Page 498

HOOPER, JOAN HETTY mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1898  M Quarter in HOUGHTON-LE-SPRING  Volume 10A  Page 517

Possible marriage: Sep 1876 Burnley 8e 357 Thomas Hooper to Rosanna Mills

On the 1881 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q275-DL81

Other births:

HOOPER, PRISCILLA BILLING mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1877  J Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION  Volume 08E  Page 239

HOOPER, MARY ANN mmn MILLS 
GRO Reference: 1879  J Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION  Volume 08E  Page 211

HOOPER, ROSINA mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1885  J Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION  Volume 08E  Page 239

HOOPER, THOMAS  HARRINGTON mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1887  S Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION  Volume 08E  Page 224

HOOPER, ELIZA JANE mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1890  M Quarter in EASINGTON  Volume 10A  Page 403

HOOPER, EDITH mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in EASINGTON  Volume 10A  Page 495   Order

Jamjar

Added:

Death of father, Thomas: HOOPER, THOMAS 59
GRO Reference: 1916  J Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING  Volume 10A  Page 603

Death of mother, Rose: HOOPER, ROSE ANN MILLS 64
GRO Reference: 1920  D Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING  Volume 10A  Page 550
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Christine53 on Tuesday 04 September 18 10:59 BST (UK)
Hi Jamjar

The OP appears to have ruled this family out as she has dismissed Fred E Hooper of the RAF record, even though the birth year and civilian occupation is correct, on the basis of the name being given as Fred Eric , rather than Frederick Eric. ( See her reply #16 ). Not sure I agree , but there you go.

Christine
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 04 September 18 11:02 BST (UK)
That’s odd, but never mind I’m enjoying myself, Christine. 😉

Fred is the shortened form of Frederick after all and the Charlotte says that her mother has Rose as one of her middle names. I wouldn’t be discounting the above family, yet.

Jamjar.

Added: Charlotte, note that Thomas is a miner on the censuses provided and Frederick has his father down as mining official at time of his marriage.
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Annette7 on Tuesday 04 September 18 11:13 BST (UK)
Marriage is on FindMyPast -

Frederick Eric Hooper 35  Electrical Engineer of 35 Hambledon Avenue, Bierley, son of Thomas Hooper (deceased), Mining Official

Irene Harrison 26 of 38 Brampton Road, West Melton (?), dau. of Luther Harrison, Grocer and Butcher

Married 20/5/1929 Brampton Bierlow, Yorkshire.

Witnesses Ernest Harrison and Eunice Harrison.

Annette
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 04 September 18 11:27 BST (UK)
Before I away to bed, apologies to those whose information findings I have duplicated. I didn’t read through all the posts until I’d finished.

Jamjar
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 04 September 18 11:37 BST (UK)
One last thing.

This is the son of Thomas and Rose:

HOOPER, FREDERICK mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1894  J Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING  Volume 10A  Page 516

This is the death of Frederick:

Deaths March 1978 Manchester 38 1976 Frederick Eric Hooper born 18 April 1894

My question is would a birth in April be shown in the June Quarter?

Jamjar
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 September 18 11:43 BST (UK)

Deaths March 1978 Manchester 38 1976 Frederick Eric Hooper born 18 April 1894

My question is would a birth in April be shown in the June Quarter?

Jamjar

That is exactly where you would expect an April birth................April May and June in the June 1/4.
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: Annette7 on Tuesday 04 September 18 11:44 BST (UK)
I would say the Fred Eric Hooper of RAF record is definitely the right man.  His mother's name as next of kin is Rose Ann Hooper, the capital letters of the address line underneath have extended into her name but if you enlarge it you can see it is Rose Ann -  father Thomas b.1857, died June 1916 Houghton le Spring which is the year before the RAF record).

Annette



Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: mediclotte40 on Tuesday 04 September 18 18:33 BST (UK)
Did he have siblings?

Jamjar
hi jamjar unfortunately I don't know
charlotte
Title: Re: frederick eric hooper born 1894/6
Post by: mediclotte40 on Tuesday 04 September 18 18:43 BST (UK)
That’s odd, but never mind I’m enjoying myself, Christine. 😉

Fred is the shortened form of Frederick after all and the Charlotte says that her mother has Rose as one of her middle names. I wouldn’t be discounting the above family, yet.

Jamjar.

Added: Charlotte, note that Thomas is a miner on the censuses provided and Frederick has his father down as mining official at time of his marriage.
the plot thickens as I named my daughter daisy rose after my mothers name Cynthia Eunice irene rose can't thank you and all enough when get more time Friday will digest all info right or wrong and see where I get what a bunch of lovely people on here
total appreciation for all hard work
charlotte