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hi
am hoping someone will be able to help in finding my grandfathers birth I have found his death his marriage also electoral roll details but no birth..also he was in the raf and that has drawn a blank too
Frederick eric hooper 1894/6 and pretty sure was from Yorkshire although may have not been born there
any advice help would be great
regards
charlotte
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Is this him?
Name Frederick Eric Hooper
Birth 18/04/1894
Death 03/1978 Manchester Greater Manchester England
Stan
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There's a possible 1929 marriage in Yorkshire which gives his father as Thomas Hooper, mining official, deceased.
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Is this him?
Name Frederick Eric Hooper
Birth 18/04/1894
Death 03/1978 Manchester Greater Manchester England
Stan
He could be the one in Selby 1939 same day/month but 1890.
Keyboard86
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If he was in the RAF and serving after 1920 his records are still with the MOD
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=651361.0
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A couple of questions:
Do you have the name and occupation of Frederick's father (from the marriage cert)?
Do you know Frederick's mother's name?
It could be worth finding the parents' marriage (just in case it was after Frederick was born - it does happen - and Frederick's birth was registered under his mother's maiden name). The 1911 census would be helpful in finding how long the parents were married and how many children they had.
Philip
(ADDED - is the potential marriage found by Osprey your man)
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There's a possible 1929 marriage in Yorkshire which gives his father as Thomas Hooper, mining official, deceased.
This marriage on FreeBMD includes a Postem which says "this is my grandparents marriage fred hooper can not find his birth...around 1896-1899 manchester - could have been born Lester as his mother was Clara"
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There is an WW1 RAF record for Fred Eric Hooper , civilian occupation craneman and electrician, aged 23 years and 1 month on 16.5.17. It appears to show transfer from the army , but I'm having difficulty understanding it ;D. It names his next of kin as his mother , again I'm having difficulty ; ? Amy Hooper of 24 Low ( possibly Tow ) Lane End , Hetton Downs , Co Durham.
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There is a Frederick Hooper, age 16, in the 1911 census at 10 Blossom St Hetton Downs Co Durham RSO. Mother Rose Hooper (Rose A Hooper in 1901)
Stan
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His birth date is 7 Jul 1895. Spouse Phyllis V Hopper
Stan
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1901 34 Springwell, Hetton le Hole, RG13/4696 folio 17 pg 36
Thomas Hooper head mar 47 coal hewer b. Cornwall
Rose A wife 45 b. Cornwall
Bessy dau 15 b. Lancashire
Thos son 14 driver pot in pit? b. Lancashire
Eliza dau 11 b. Trimdon
Edith dau 8 b. Haswell
Fredk 6 b. Hetton
James A son 4 b. Hetton
Joan E dau 2 b. Hetton
birth reg Frederick Hooper june qtr 1894 Houghton le Spring vol 10a pg 516 mmn Mills
marriage Thomas Hooper & Rosanna Mills both on sept qtr 1876 Burnley vol 8e pg 357
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There is an WW1 RAF record for Fred Eric Hooper , civilian occupation craneman and electrician, aged 23 years and 1 month on 16.5.17. It appears to show transfer from the army , but I'm having difficulty understanding it ;D. It names his next of kin as his mother , again I'm having difficulty ; ? Amy Hooper of 24 Low ( possibly Tow ) Lane End , Hetton Downs , Co Durham.
The address is Four Lane Ends. It's on the service record for James Hooper b 1895 Hetton le Hole 11749 Yorkshire Regiment - James A Hooper in the 1901 census ?
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wow thank you all for in put will be able to digest it all after work
I know for sure he marries irene Harrison in 1917 and died 1978
daughters cynthia eunice rose(my mother) and freda
i will get back once iv'e tried to work out what's what
once again thank you all amazed had a response
charlotte
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Is this him?
Name Frederick Eric Hooper
Birth 18/04/1894
Death 03/1978 Manchester Greater Manchester England
Stan
yes stan that is him
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There's a possible 1929 marriage in Yorkshire which gives his father as Thomas Hooper, mining official, deceased.
hi osprey I know he was married 1927 to irene Harrison so 99% sure not him he was an electrician by trade and also served in r.af
many thanks
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His birth date is 7 Jul 1895. Spouse Phyllis V Hopper
Stan
hi stan that's not him spouse irene Harrison I know that for sure
charlotte
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There is an WW1 RAF record for Fred Eric Hooper , civilian occupation craneman and electrician, aged 23 years and 1 month on 16.5.17. It appears to show transfer from the army , but I'm having difficulty understanding it ;D. It names his next of kin as his mother , again I'm having difficulty ; ? Amy Hooper of 24 Low ( possibly Tow ) Lane End , Hetton Downs , Co Durham.
The address is Four Lane Ends. It's on the service record for James Hooper b 1895 Hetton le Hole 11749 Yorkshire Regiment - James A Hooper in the 1901 census ?
hi Christine don't think it's him as on all stuff can find he is named and Frederick eric but thank you
charlotte
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His birth date is 7 Jul 1895. Spouse Phyllis V Hopper
Stan
hi stan that's not him spouse irene Harrison I know that for sure
charlotte
So this is his marriage....
Marriages Jun 1929
Harrison Irene to Hooper in Rotherham 9c 1332
Hooper Frederick E to Harrison in Rotherham 9c 1332
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His birth date is 7 Jul 1895. Spouse Phyllis V Hopper
Stan
hi stan that's not him spouse irene Harrison I know that for sure
charlotte
yes that'a him sorry got dates mixed up
So this is his marriage....
Marriages Jun 1929
Harrison Irene to Hooper in Rotherham 9c 1332
Hooper Frederick E to Harrison in Rotherham 9c 1332
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There's a possible 1929 marriage in Yorkshire which gives his father as Thomas Hooper, mining official, deceased.
hi osprey I know he was married 1927 to irene Harrison so 99% sure not him he was an electrician by trade and also served in r.af
many thanks
hi again osprey I had got my dates mixed up brain fog from trying to find him...how on earth did you find his fathers name prob a silly question but only started this all again after 10 years so out of practice
charlotte
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Did he have siblings?
Jamjar
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There is an WW1 RAF record for Fred Eric Hooper , civilian occupation craneman and electrician, aged 23 years and 1 month on 16.5.17. It appears to show transfer from the army , but I'm having difficulty understanding it ;D. It names his next of kin as his mother , again I'm having difficulty ; ? Amy Hooper of 24 Low ( possibly Tow ) Lane End , Hetton Downs , Co Durham.
The address is Four Lane Ends. It's on the service record for James Hooper b 1895 Hetton le Hole 11749 Yorkshire Regiment - James A Hooper in the 1901 census ?
There is a Frederick with James, parents Thomas and Rose:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSHB-83L
On the 1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH4-6WT
Jamjar
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There is an WW1 RAF record for Fred Eric Hooper , civilian occupation craneman and electrician, aged 23 years and 1 month on 16.5.17. It appears to show transfer from the army , but I'm having difficulty understanding it ;D. It names his next of kin as his mother , again I'm having difficulty ; ? Amy Hooper of 24 Low ( possibly Tow ) Lane End , Hetton Downs , Co Durham.
The address is Four Lane Ends. It's on the service record for James Hooper b 1895 Hetton le Hole 11749 Yorkshire Regiment - James A Hooper in the 1901 census ?
There is a Frederick with James, parents Thomas and Rose:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSHB-83L
On the 1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH4-6WT
Jamjar
The maiden name of mother of this family is MILLS
HOOPER, FREDERICK mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING Volume 10A Page 516
HOOPER, JAMES ALBERT mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING Volume 10A Page 498
HOOPER, JOAN HETTY mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in HOUGHTON-LE-SPRING Volume 10A Page 517
Possible marriage: Sep 1876 Burnley 8e 357 Thomas Hooper to Rosanna Mills
On the 1881 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q275-DL81
Other births:
HOOPER, PRISCILLA BILLING mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 239
HOOPER, MARY ANN mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 211
HOOPER, ROSINA mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 239
HOOPER, THOMAS HARRINGTON mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 224
HOOPER, ELIZA JANE mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in EASINGTON Volume 10A Page 403
HOOPER, EDITH mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in EASINGTON Volume 10A Page 495 Order
Jamjar
Added:
Death of father, Thomas: HOOPER, THOMAS 59
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING Volume 10A Page 603
Death of mother, Rose: HOOPER, ROSE ANN MILLS 64
GRO Reference: 1920 D Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING Volume 10A Page 550
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Hi Jamjar
The OP appears to have ruled this family out as she has dismissed Fred E Hooper of the RAF record, even though the birth year and civilian occupation is correct, on the basis of the name being given as Fred Eric , rather than Frederick Eric. ( See her reply #16 ). Not sure I agree , but there you go.
Christine
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That’s odd, but never mind I’m enjoying myself, Christine. 😉
Fred is the shortened form of Frederick after all and the Charlotte says that her mother has Rose as one of her middle names. I wouldn’t be discounting the above family, yet.
Jamjar.
Added: Charlotte, note that Thomas is a miner on the censuses provided and Frederick has his father down as mining official at time of his marriage.
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Marriage is on FindMyPast -
Frederick Eric Hooper 35 Electrical Engineer of 35 Hambledon Avenue, Bierley, son of Thomas Hooper (deceased), Mining Official
Irene Harrison 26 of 38 Brampton Road, West Melton (?), dau. of Luther Harrison, Grocer and Butcher
Married 20/5/1929 Brampton Bierlow, Yorkshire.
Witnesses Ernest Harrison and Eunice Harrison.
Annette
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Before I away to bed, apologies to those whose information findings I have duplicated. I didn’t read through all the posts until I’d finished.
Jamjar
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One last thing.
This is the son of Thomas and Rose:
HOOPER, FREDERICK mmn MILLS
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in HOUGHTON LE SPRING Volume 10A Page 516
This is the death of Frederick:
Deaths March 1978 Manchester 38 1976 Frederick Eric Hooper born 18 April 1894
My question is would a birth in April be shown in the June Quarter?
Jamjar
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Deaths March 1978 Manchester 38 1976 Frederick Eric Hooper born 18 April 1894
My question is would a birth in April be shown in the June Quarter?
Jamjar
That is exactly where you would expect an April birth................April May and June in the June 1/4.
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I would say the Fred Eric Hooper of RAF record is definitely the right man. His mother's name as next of kin is Rose Ann Hooper, the capital letters of the address line underneath have extended into her name but if you enlarge it you can see it is Rose Ann - father Thomas b.1857, died June 1916 Houghton le Spring which is the year before the RAF record).
Annette
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Did he have siblings?
Jamjar
hi jamjar unfortunately I don't know
charlotte
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That’s odd, but never mind I’m enjoying myself, Christine. 😉
Fred is the shortened form of Frederick after all and the Charlotte says that her mother has Rose as one of her middle names. I wouldn’t be discounting the above family, yet.
Jamjar.
Added: Charlotte, note that Thomas is a miner on the censuses provided and Frederick has his father down as mining official at time of his marriage.
the plot thickens as I named my daughter daisy rose after my mothers name Cynthia Eunice irene rose can't thank you and all enough when get more time Friday will digest all info right or wrong and see where I get what a bunch of lovely people on here
total appreciation for all hard work
charlotte