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Title: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Thursday 06 September 18 01:23 BST (UK)
Hi, I'm looking for relatives, stories & connections to the Davidson family who once owned & ran the King's Arms Hotel at Tambo Crossing, Gippsland, Victoria.
Thomas Davidson was born in 1836; the 3rd child of John & Martha Davidson of 76 George St, Dunoon, Scotland.
Thomas emigrated to Australia, married Jane Flood & they had 9 children together from 1856 to 1881: Amandie, Marion, Jane (d. infant), Charles William (d. infant), Charles, Mira, Amour, James, William.
Some of the boys inherited the hotel, whilst the other children were overlooked.
The hotel burned down in 1961, having being sold to a corporation sometime previously.
Mira/Myra/Mia married Arthur Langley & they had two daughters, who were known as Eve & June.
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: hanes teulu on Thursday 06 September 18 08:40 BST (UK)
A very warm welcome to Rootschat.
Have you yet checked Australian newspapers?  https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

Had a quick look. First item checked was in the Weekly Times, 20 Nov 1897 re. a Charles Davidson, owner of the Walter Scott Hotel at Gippsland. Possibly related?

Best of luck with the search.
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: hanes teulu on Thursday 06 September 18 08:55 BST (UK)
The Gippsland Independent, 24 Dec 1915, carries an item about a Thomas Davidson, King's Arms Hotel, Neerim South.

Co-incidence?
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Saturday 08 September 18 13:25 BST (UK)
Hi Andrew,

A few more snippets ...
   Marriage notice for son Thomas Armour DAVIDSON http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10669793
   Death notice for wife Jane http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11633017
   A photo of their hotel and some interesting family history (poorly digitised) http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article221138938
   Obit for son Charles DAVIDSON http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article74169537 and another
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article130145450
   Engagement of grandson Charles Clyde DAVIDSON http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article63293207
   Marriage notice for son Wiliiam http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1589361
   A young daughter of Charles DAVIDSON dying of burns http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200247488
   adding :1895 death Ethel Margaret DAVIDSON, father Chas, mother Louisa Hamilton, age 3, at Bruthen

Ros

adding : various mention of Davidson and Tambo for you to browse  :)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01moc/
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Saturday 08 September 18 14:48 BST (UK)
Here is NSW BDM https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search?41 and here is Victoria BDM https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
Both are free to search and can use wildcards.

From electoral rolls
Arthur Alexander LANGLEY and Myra LANGLEY are in Forbes NSW in 1913 where Arthur is a blacksmith.
Possibly Arthur died in NSW in 1915.

Myra LANGLEY is a hotel-keeper in Neerim South in Victoria in 1914,1915,1917  ( Arthur not with her)

Possible second marriage for Myra in Victoria in 1916 to Patrick CULLEN

Ros

adding :
Arthur Alexander LANGLEY appointed Inspector of Dairies in 1908 in NSW
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article226916153
Arthur Alexander LANGLEY appointed Sanitary Insepctor in 1908 in NSW
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article226915566
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Saturday 08 September 18 22:28 BST (UK)
From Victorian BDM

Deaths with parents of Thomas DAVIDSON and Jane FLOOD
  1952 William DAVIDSON, age 71, place of birth Yeeringa, place of death Richmond
  1920 Marian ROBERTSON, age 59, place of death Maffra
  1956 Maria ROSE, age 83, place of birth Ballarat, place of death, Cheltenham

Death notice for William DAVIDSON 1952 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article23194352 and funeral notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206211724

Ros

adding
1915 Chas DAVIDSON, father Thos DAVIDSON, mother Jane (Flood), POD Bdale, age 49




Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Saturday 08 September 18 23:36 BST (UK)
From Victoria BDM deaths with parents Charles DAVIDSON and Louisa HAMILTON

1895 Ethel Margaret DAVIDSON, age 3, at Bruthen
1968 Clyde Charles DAVIDSON, age 69, POB Bruthen, POD Melbourne
1978 Thomas Rupert DAVIDSON, age 72, POD Bairnsdale

Ros
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Sunday 09 September 18 00:49 BST (UK)
From NSW BDM
Births
1904 Ethel J LANGLEY, father Arthur A, mother Myra at Forbes
1905 Lillian M LANGLEY, father Arthur A, mother Myra at Molong

Ros
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 09 September 18 01:10 BST (UK)
Duplicate  information so deleted. ;D

Sue


Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 09 September 18 09:25 BST (UK)
I think I will leave any further response until andrew999 replies to the postings given so far.

Very hard to know what is actually being looked for.

Sue
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Sunday 09 September 18 10:12 BST (UK)
Thanks rosball, thatís great info, youíre really good at this  :)
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Sunday 09 September 18 10:22 BST (UK)
Thanks Andrew  :)

But I haven't found a likely death or remarriage for Myra (Mira, Mia) LANGLEY/CULLEN or probable marriages for her daughters i.e. with marriage announcements which confirm parents or corresponding deaths which match (even partly) the parents.  I tried with surnames of LANGLEY and CULLEN and there are some possibles.

Was it Eve LANGLEY (in your heading) who you were especially interested in?

Anything in particular that you were hoping to find?

Ros
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Sunday 09 September 18 10:56 BST (UK)
Hi Ros,
Myra moved to NZ with her younger daughter June & Eve followed shortly after. I know quite a bit of that part of the family history from the two biographies of Eve. Eve moved to Katoomba in the 1960ís & died there in 1974.
Iím interested in info about the descendants of Myraís siblings. From what youíve found,it looks as though some stayed in the Bruthen & Tambo area for some time.
I have an old photo of the Kings Arms Hotel, proprietor T. Davidson, which Iíll try & post... I think the name mayíve been changed to the Sir Walter Scott Hotel & was retained when it was rebuilt on the other side of the Tambo
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Sunday 09 September 18 11:31 BST (UK)
I see there is a probate file for Eve Langley-Clark who died in 1974 at Katoomba at NSW archives
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1511533

I can photograph this for you next time I am there if it is of interest ...?

The Victorian BDM is really useful for searching.  If you click on an index entry it gives more information (not obvious as it is not highlighted).  And if you click on more search options you can search for deaths with given parents etc.

OK I will search for more info on siblings of Myra ... :)

Ros

adding : aha I have found biography of Eve (aka Ethel Jane LANGLEY) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Langley
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Sunday 09 September 18 11:47 BST (UK)
Thatís a very kind offer to photograph the probate file, thank you.
Interesting info about Arthur too. I thought heíd died in 1910, but perhaps was later... I think he had a brother, Alec, who I think was a drover near Forbes.
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Sunday 09 September 18 12:21 BST (UK)
From NSW BDM
Death 1915
Arthur A LANGLEY, father William H, mother Barbara, at Granville

I can't see a death for an Alec LANGLEY or Alexander LANGLEY in NSW or an enlistment in WW1

Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Sunday 09 September 18 13:32 BST (UK)
Some info Iíd posted on another thread:
From wikipedia: "A hotel was established at Tambo Crossing on the east side of the river in this period, first being officially licensed in 1849 with the name of The Tambo Inn. In 1854 Duncan McDougall took over the inn. The hotel was renamed the Sir Walter Scott Hotel in the late 1860s. In 1890 a new hotel was built on the western side of the river beside the newly aligned road between Bruthen and Ensay, but kept the "Sir Walter Scott" name. The hotel burnt down on 8 September 1961 and was not rebuilt. The current information board is on the site of the former hotel, with the Great Alpine Road also passing over part of the site."
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Sunday 09 September 18 23:22 BST (UK)
King's Arms Hotel, T A Davidson
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Sunday 09 September 18 23:24 BST (UK)
King's Arms Hotel
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Sunday 09 September 18 23:32 BST (UK)
Arthur & Myra (nee Davidson) Langley
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Sunday 09 September 18 23:38 BST (UK)
Lovely photos Andrew  :)
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Sunday 09 September 18 23:56 BST (UK)
Thanks Ros... Eve & June Langley
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Monday 10 September 18 00:04 BST (UK)
Was there a reason that the girls changed their names so drastically - Ethel Jane to Eve and Lillian M to June?  Did Myra change her name in NZ too?  Were they trying to escape from Patrick Cullen?

adding : lovely-looking girls  :)
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Monday 10 September 18 01:07 BST (UK)
I don't think so... they didn't move to NZ until the girls were adults... I hadn't heard or read of Patrick Cullen until Rootschat... Myra returned to the family Hotel after Arthur died, which was also around the same time that her brother Charles died leaving a widow & 3 kids, one of whom, Clyde Thomas looks to have inherited the hotel. An engagement notice 26 May 1952 lists Charles Clyde Davidson, eldest son of Mr & Mrs Clyde Davidson of the Sir Walter Scott Hotel, Tambo Crossing.

I'd interpreted Myra returning after Arthur's death as because she had no other means of support & there was also inference that the family had disapproved of their marriage, but perhaps she was helping out her brother & sister-in-law as well....or just a tragic coincidence... one of Charles' obituaries described a long & painful illness... Myra seems like she was a kind & thoughtful person

Eve met her aunt at the family hotel years later when Eve was a young woman, she described her as "tall & slender & pale & haunted looking; but a veritable martinet of a loveable sort"

When Myra first managed the hotel Eve & June would've been around 11 & 10, it sounded like they were very much a part of the hotel scene & Eve was very imaginative. After a few years they all moved to Melbourne where the girls attended High School.

In Eve's semi-autobiographical novel, The Pea-Pickers, where Eve changed their names to Steve & Blue, the two girls worked as seasonal agricultural labourers around Gippsland, dressed in overalls; radical behaviour for young ladies of the 1920's & even when published in the 1940's.

Lucy Frost's novel Wilde Eve is an edited collection of Eve's stories of their time in NZ & is a fascinating read.
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Monday 10 September 18 03:04 BST (UK)
Have you seen the wills of some of the Davidson's? https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/wills-and-probates    They take a while to download.

There is a digitised will for Thomas DAVIDSON who died in 1898, occupation grazier, residence Tambo

There is also a digitised will for Charles DAVIDSON who died in 1915, occupation farmer, residence Tambo Crossing

Do you know when Thomas Armour DAVIDSON died?  I can't see a likely death for him on Vic BDM or an obit.

adding : You're so lucky to have Eve's books to read about her life.  :)
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Monday 10 September 18 03:52 BST (UK)
No I havenít, thatíll be interesting, thanks.
Yes, Eveís writing is a fantastic & rare resource ... because she wrote so expressively, copiously & very subjectively, thereís a wealth of everyday detail of the times & personalities revealed
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Monday 10 September 18 13:02 BST (UK)
Hi Andrew,
Thomas Armour DAVIDSON was last seen on trove in 1918 when he was charged with allowing a game of chance (poker) in his hotel but the charge was quashed when judge decided that poker required skill  :)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article65921246 and  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article130647093

And then Thomas Armour  transferred licence of hotel to another http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article154468145

His wife Kathleen Sarah DAVIDSON (nee GARDNER) died in 1956 (from vic BDM).
Death 1956  Kathleen Sarah DAVIDSON, father James Alexander GARDNER, mother Mary (POWER) at Boort, age 74

  Here are her death notices which name her children and grandchildren http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article84390831 and her funeral notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article84390644 (Springvale cemetery)

Ros
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Tuesday 11 September 18 00:49 BST (UK)
Hi Ros,
Great sleuthing...! So, the photo I posted of the King's Arms Hotel wasn't an early version of the Sir Walter Scott Hotel, but actually Thomas Armour Davidson's Hotel in Neerim South, West Gippsland. It was built in 1902 & he transferred the license in 1918. There's still a hotel operating there & the name changed only recently to the Neerim South Hotel.

I noticed from a map that there is a Crossover Regional Park nearby & Eve referred to the family hotel as the one at Crossover, which I took to be a colloquialism for Tambo Crossing, but now seems likely that this was where Myra brought her girls when Arthur died, not to the original hotel owned by Thomas Davidson Sr. But maybe that's just Eve conflating the two locations to make a better story. The area has more agricultural & cropping use than the grazing land around Tambo too, which fits in with Eve's later stories.

Thomas Davidson Sr's will was written in 1890 & left everything to his 3 sons: Charles, Thomas Armour & James. No mention of his wife, daughters or youngest son William (14 in 1895) at all. Thomas' brother William predeceased him & there's an interesting codicil stipulating James must amalgamate land left to him by William with his brothers' adjacent land in a partnership or be disinherited.

There's no mention of the hotel in the assets, Charles would've been 29 & Thomas' occupation was grazier, so a big ? around the Sir Walter Scott Hotel legacy...
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Tuesday 11 September 18 01:24 BST (UK)
Do you live in Victoria Andrew ?(you seem to have a much better knowledge of Victorian geography than I do  :) )  If so you may find a visit to the Public Records office useful.

Anyway they do have a lot of info online.   Here are some digitised publicans licences
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mot/


Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Tuesday 11 September 18 03:20 BST (UK)
Hey Ros, no, I'm in NZ & haven't actually visited Victoria yet...just read a lot I guess... :)
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: majm on Tuesday 11 September 18 03:56 BST (UK)
And here's a link to an earlier thread on the Australia (Completed) Board

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=51070.0

JM
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Tuesday 11 September 18 04:33 BST (UK)
Thanks JM, it was google popping up chrissy's thread which led me to Rootschat a couple of months ago & lots of helpful people & information  :)
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: Katie.0688 on Saturday 10 October 20 15:36 BST (UK)
Hi all,
I currently own the property where the hotel that Myra run in crossover VIC once was. I have attached pictures of the hotel, that i believe Myra and her daughters are in and the card of when the hotel was de licensed. The pictures that have been put in this thread are of neerim souths hotel not the one in crossover.I have done so much research but would love to know more and I'm happy to retell all that I have discovered. Thanks Katie.
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: rosball on Saturday 10 October 20 22:24 BST (UK)
Hi Katie,
   Welcome to rootschat  :)

   How interesting that you own the property and have done a lot of research on the crossover hotel. I'm sure Andrew and others will be very interested to hear of your research and see the photos.

   Andrew hasn't been on the forum for about a year but will receive notification of your post if he still has the same e-mail address.

Ros

   



   
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: majm on Saturday 10 October 20 23:16 BST (UK)
Welcome from me too.  RChat is a great place for family history info. At the mo, you have made just 1 post, but If you reply with just a 'Hi' on this thread you will be along the path to sending and receiving private messages. 

Andrew999 was online earlier today, but he is not online at the moment. 

I wonder if Andrew has sent Katie a Personal message and then logged off.  If so, hopefully he will read this post, as Katie needs to make several posts before all the facilities available to Rootschatters are fully functioning.


 https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=292824
Hi Katie,
   Welcome to rootschat  :)

   How interesting that you own the property and have done a lot of research on the crossover hotel. I'm sure Andrew and others will be very interested to hear of your research and see the photos.

   Andrew hasn't been on the forum for about a year but will receive notification of your post if he still has the same e-mail address.

Ros



JM
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: Katie.0688 on Saturday 10 October 20 23:42 BST (UK)
Hi Majm and Ros  :)
Thank you for the welcome.
Title: Re: Davidson family, Tambo Crossing, Eve Langley
Post by: andrew999 on Sunday 11 October 20 00:10 BST (UK)
Hi Katie, thanks for joining Rootschat & thanks Rosball & Majm for prompting me   ;D
I'm busy today but I'll pm Katie & look forward to chatting