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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Offaly (Kings) => Topic started by: ZKT on Thursday 06 September 18 12:29 BST (UK)
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Im trying to find Birthplace for my 5x grandmother Catherine Doorly born abt 1798 (i have found her name spelt with a C and K for Katherine and her surname varies Doorly, Doorely, Doody)
I know she was from Ireland but she moved to England with her husband who was a soldier in British Army in early 1800s
The only clue i have is the 1861 England Census gives her Place of birth is recorded as
'Ireland Baluawak Kow'
I think that the enumerator problem wrote this phonetically but i it clearly isn't a place in Ireland!
Can anyone suggest where this could be?
She married Bernard Irons from Aweston/Birr Kings County. Im thinking that she is could be from somewhere nearby but as he was in the Army they travelled a lot.
He joined the Army at the age of 13yrs so would have been a soldier when they meet.
I have found the birth record of a daughter Mary born in 1835 in Dublin and twins (Katherine and Bernard) born in Scotland in 1821
Her husband was posted in Dublin 1816/17, Nass 1817, Londonderry 1820.
Katherine could be from any of these places or surrounding areas.
Any ideas where 'Baluawak Kow' is would be welcome. My thoughts are it probably starts with 'Bally..' but i could be wrong. My Irish geography knowledge isnt that good!
Im hoping if I can find where she was born I might be able to find her birth or marriage
Thanks for any help
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Can you give the ref of the 1861 census we are talking about? Or clarify what name she is under (Catherine/Katherine Doorly/Irons etc) and where she is ?
I cant see it at present.
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Can you give the ref of the 1861 census we are talking about? Or clarify what name she is under (Catherine/Katherine Doorly/Irons etc) and where she is ?
I cant see it at present.
According to this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=477436.msg3365737#msg3365737 Catherine Irons remarried in 1830. So did she marry someone called Dooley (or variants thereof) or was Dooley her maiden name?
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Possible marriage to David Johnson, Rochester 1830.
Add- says that she was 'previously married'
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There is an Irish will for Bernard Irons, 1830
Sgt in HM's 41st Reg of Foot
This ties in to info from the other thread.
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There is an Irish will for Bernard Irons, 1830
Sgt in HM's 41st Reg of Foot
This ties in to info from the other thread.
Just seen this:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799860.0;topicseen
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Can you give the ref of the 1861 census we are talking about? Or clarify what name she is under (Catherine/Katherine Doorly/Irons etc) and where she is ?
I cant see it at present.
Catherine Johnson. RG 9 / 2601 / 39 / 16
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Ballinasloe ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballinasloe
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I am in NSW Australia, and I read the last word as Ross. Is there a county in Ireland by that name?
JM
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I am in NSW Australia, and I read the last word as Ross. Is there a county in Ireland by that name?
Here's a snip of her occupation containing a capital 'R' :-\
I can see that last word starting with an 'H' or 'Sl', but not 'R'.
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was he ever in India
http://www.onefivenine.com/india/villages/Saharsa/Kahara/Baluaha
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8781328
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Ballinasloe ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballinasloe
This was suggested in reply #8 here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=210190.msg1081726#msg1081726
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Yes, that suggestion of "Ross" simply doesn't stand up to the test when compared with that R in that second snip, thanks JenB. :D
JM
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Hi ZKT :) I hope you don't mind me saying it would have been really helpful if you had given the actual name or the census reference under which we could have found her in 1861, it would have saved a lot of searching.
Links to earlier threads on the same topic are also helpful to save duplication of searching
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Catherine remarried after Bernard Irons death and is listed as Catherine Johnson, widow, living in Weaverham Cheshire with Kenerley family in 1861 (RG9/2601)
Does anyone know if there are Ireland parish records for Ballinasloe for late 1700s anywhere?
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Hi JenB Apols if I have wasted your time but I only asked for suggestions on place name. I didn't expect anyone to do any searches for me.
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Ballinasloe ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballinasloe
As in Balnahah Slow?? ;D
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Catherine remarried after Bernard Irons death and is listed as Catherine Johnson, widow, living in Weaverham Cheshire with Kenerley family in 1861 (RG9/2601)
Does anyone know if there are Ireland parish records for Ballinasloe for late 1700s anywhere?
RC or CoI both here
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/church.php?civilparishid=1024&civilparish=Kilcloony&search_type=full
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Catherine remarried after Bernard Irons death and is listed as Catherine Johnson, widow, living in Weaverham Cheshire with Kenerley family in 1861 (RG9/2601)
Does anyone know if there are Ireland parish records for Ballinasloe for late 1700s anywhere?
Religion?
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Hi JenB Apols if I have wasted your time but I only asked for suggestions on place name. I didn't expect anyone to do any searches for me.
You haven't wasted our time, but in questions like this the immediate reaction of many of us is to want to look at the original from which the transcription was taken. So we spent time looking for Dooley and/or Irons instead of Johnson ;D
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Like Jen I spent a lot of time looking for Dooley and variant thereof, and then Irons, plus looking for Catherine and Katherine.
It isn't necessarily a case of an 'enumerators error', as in your title, but a case of the person transcribing and indexing the information making a best guess at reading the enumerators writing. For us to make suggestions as to what the correct name of the place might be, we need to see the original of that writing, to see if we can make something of it that IS a place in Ireland, as you yourself have said the attempt by the transcriber resulted in something that wasn't a place in Ireland.
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Just one other point, then I'll go away :-X
re 'Enumerator error' - no, not necessarily!
The enumerator simply copied/tried to copy what was written on the original householders census form.
The form was intended to be filled in by the head of the household, in this case a Martha Kennley.
Probably Martha asked Catherine where she was born, Catherine told her, and Martha did the best she could to write down what she thought Catherine had said.
Then the enumerator, after he'd collected the form, had to copy down what Martha Kennley thought Catherine had said. If Martha's writing wasn't too clear then more errors could creep in.
If you think about it in that way you can see how easy it could be for a slightly unusual place-name to become completely garbled.
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Hi JenB Apols if I have wasted your time but I only asked for suggestions on place name. I didn't expect anyone to do any searches for me.
You haven't wasted our time, but in questions like this the immediate reaction of many of us is to want to look at the original from which the transcription was taken. So we spent time looking for Dooley and/or Irons instead of Johnson ;D
As JenB says, it's best to give us as much info as you have as we do like to check the handwritten entry.
I found the Irons/Johnson marriage soon after Jen gave the ref to the other thread. It was the only one Kent 1830 that fitted. I was then called away.
I've checked for a baptism in Ireland but haven't found anything so far.
Gadget
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Wonder if it's the English enumerators version of 'Ballinanagh, which is in Cavan (now seems to be known as Ballinagh).
Annette