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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: Blueboy007 on Thursday 06 September 18 19:16 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone, I am looking for help in tracking down more information on my Great Grandmother, Jane Roberts.
I can trace her from her marriage to Thomas Turner on the 24th January 1874, in Denio,Pwllheli. I can see her in the 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 census returns, I also have a copy of her death certificate from 1916.
Where I am struggling is finding where she was prior to her marriage in 1874. The marriage certificate shows that her father was a William Roberts, Labourer. One of the witnesses to the marriage is a John Roberts, possibly a relative of Jane. I know from census returns that she was born in Llaniestyn.
I am trying to establish Jane's mother's name, so I can hopefully then order her parents marriage certificate and possibly find a birth certificate for Jane.
I cannot find Jane in the 1861 Census. I have a possibility in the 1871 returns, a William, Ellen and Jane at Lleyn Street, Pwllheli.
Any help finding her parents would be greatly appreciated.
Stephen
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These records might be worth considering, but I can't find 1861 equivalents
1851 HO107/2514/156/3
Eleanor Roberts,given born Llangwnadl as per the 1871 Lleyn Street,Ag lab wife,husband elsewhere,son John Roberts
1851 HO107/2514/125/2
Wiliam Roberts given born Llaniestyn as pert the 1871 census,working as an Ag lab
Regards
Roger
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Hello everyone, I am looking for help in tracking down more information on my Great Grandmother, Jane Roberts.
I cannot find Jane in the 1861 Census. I have a possibility in the 1871 returns, a William, Ellen and Jane at Lleyn Street, Pwllheli.
Any help finding her parents would be greatly appreciated.
Stephen
On the 1871 census you mentioned did you notice next door lived John Roberts age 30 lab b Rhiw wife Mary and 3 children
Suz
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I missed it first time round,but parts of the 1861 census are missing,including Denio,Pwllheli.Perhaps,unfortunately,that is where they were.
Regards
Roger
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In my opinion the family I have identified in 1851 are consistent with a marriage of Dec qtr 1838 between William Roberts and Ellinor Jones,given by NorthWalesBMD as in Llaniestyn.I would urge you to consider subscribing at least for a single month(£5) to www.yffor.com where this area is considered in detail.
Regards
Roger
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Thank you Roger and thank you Suz, that is really useful. I had not noticed the John next door. I will look at that.
I will subscribe to the yffor site too at the weekend.
Thanks again for your great assistance, I do appreciate it.
Best wishes
Stephen
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If you are subscribing to Yffor.com you will find William Roberts baptism in Llaniestyn. Roberts was patronymic. Unfortunately records for Llangwndal only cover the period 1813-1959 and it appears Ellin was born around 1810.
Glyn
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....and,interestingly,in the 1841 census I believe he may be listed in the non-patronymic form William Jones!,with his son William "following suit".
Regards
Roger
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THere is some evidence that Elinor(1810) may be listed under Tydweiliog.
Regards
Roger
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A couple of things from the 1838 marriage:-
Ellinor Jones of Tydweiliog, father John Parry, labourer.
William of Llaniestyn, father Robert Jones, labourer.
Witnesses - William Williams and John ??
David
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The transcription I have seen of the 1838 marriage gives Elinor's father as Robert Jones lbr,(the same as William Roberts father!).This needs further investigation and also casts into doubt the Tydweiliog record I had in mind where the father is John Jones.
Regards
Roger
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I have seen the image giving John Parry now.It makes me believe the yffor record has been mis-transcribed.
Regards
Roger
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Website has now been corrected.
Many thanks.
yffor.com
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Thank you everyone, that is really useful information.
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Hi Suz,
I also looked at the 1891 census and viewed the page before and after the record for John Roberts. I found Jane with her husband Thomas Turner living next door. Shows the value off looking more thoroughly at the census return pages adjacent to the search subject. I know at the 1881 census that Jane was living at the Sportsman Inn, Nevin.
Now I can narrow the birth certificate down to 3 possibles. I have ordered the most likely one to start with, so fingers crossed.
Stephen
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Update:
I eventually ordered all three birth certificates that were showing a mother's maiden name of Jones. The first two were incorrect (wrong father christian name). The last one I received showed a Jane Roberts, born on 7th January 1855. Father William Roberts, a Seaman Merchant Service, not a Labourer as shown on the marriage certificate of Jane. The mother is listed as being Jane Roberts, formerly Jones. I have based the search on the years 1853, 1854 and 1855 as her death certificate states that she was 61 when she died on 28th January 1916.
I found this family in 1851, 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901. William was listed in occupations Mariner in 1851 and Fisherman thereafter.
It looks likely that Jane's mother may not have been a Jones after all.
Back to the drawing board.
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Update: I think I now have the right birth certificate.
Jane Roberts, born 18th April 1853, Tan Y Garog Dinas, Llaniestyn. Father is William Roberts, Labourer and mother, Ellen Roberts (formerly Parry).
I also then found the baptism record, which took place on the 15th May 1853.
I will search for the marriage of William and Ellen now.
Thank you everyone for your help.