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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: LDaw on Thursday 06 September 18 20:52 BST (UK)
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My grandfather was illegitimate and he had nothing to do with his father (or his father had nothing to do with him.) I was on ancestry.co.uk during the free weekend and it now brings up a potential father. It doesn't show, as far as I can tell, the source of the information.
The suggested man is Frank Hughes, born 01/01/1890. I tried searching under Frank and Francis but as I've no clue where he was from I didn't get anywhere. Obviously I don't know how close the suggested birth date is.
When I was younger I remember being told my great grandfather was connected to the church. He was later described as being a Methodist minister. (Is there a way to track down a Methodist minister?)
My great grandmother was Margaret Emma Rossington and she was born 8 Oct 1890. She lived in Lincoln at the time. I've know idea how long her relationship with Frank Hughes(?) lasted. Her first marriage was in 1912 when she was 21 (my grandad was about 3 then).
Can any of you sleuths help?
Thanks
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No idea (not know idea)!! All week I've had to proofread more than once and still I'm writing rubbish like that!
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Here is a link for Methodist Ministers
http://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/search-resources/special-collections/guide-to-special-collections/methodist/using-the-collections/index-of-methodist-ministers/
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If I have the correct person i.e. Arthur Rossington and his biological father was in the Methodist Church why -although born 1909, why was Arthur not baptised until 1951??
Suz
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there is a Frank Randall Hughes birth reg 1st qtr 1890 Navenby Lincs
He is Charles marshall and family in navenby in 1891 (age 1 nurse child) 1901(age 11 lodger)
I didn't find him in 1911
However it seems he was killed in action 23 Mar 1916 France and Flanders having enlisted at hereford into Shropshire Light Infantry
Maybe?????
Suz
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Suzard - the family became friendly with a clergyman at that church and got baptised. (That info threw me when I came across it but my Dad confirmed it was accurate.). I never knew him as a churchgoer. I saw the Frank Randall Hughes but had nothing to link him as I could find no occupation. I'm not sure if people were Methodist ministers alongside their days jobs. At least the Randall part might help if Candleflame's link proves productive.
Candleflame - I'll take a look at that this evening.
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Candleflame - I couldn't find info via that link but they do have an online chat option. Questions go abroad outside of UK office hours and the librarian from Nebraska wasn't familiar enough with the resources to help. They've saved my question for next week so fingers crossed for then.
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Lincolnshire Chronicle - Saturday 18 September 1909,
Affiliation order made,
Francis James Hughes, an Iron turner of 10, Barton Street, Lincoln. was summoned by Margaret Emma Rossington , a milliner of 46, St Hugh street, in respect of a affiliation order, Mr G E B Padley appeared for the complainant and the defendant who was represented by Mr W S Page denied the paternity. Mr Padley said the defendant in this case was only 17 and the girl 18. They had been keeping company since April 1907, and after the defendant knew the complainants condition He still continued to walk out with her, calling at her place of business for her, - complainant in the witness box said defendant had never denied being the Father of the child, - evidence was also given by Emma Rossington the Mother of the defendant - the bench made an order upon the defendant to pay 1s 6d a week until He is 21. and 2s 6d a week afterwards, until the child attains the age of 14. They also ordered Him to pay court costs 12s 6d, the doctors fee £1 1s, and solicitors fee £1 1s. The chairman said He thought this case should neverhave been brought to court, but might have been easily settled in a amicable manner.
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Wow! That is perfect. Thank you so much. Do you think it's an error that Emma Rossington is described as the mother of the defendant? (Emma Rossington, nee Burr, was Margaret Emma Rossington's mother.)
Thanks Eilleen
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Yes , she is the girls Mother.
hope it helps you on your search.
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I've not been able to find any trace of Francis James Hughes after 1911.
There are various ones listed dying around the country but I've not had time to backtrack to check if he's one of those.
I don't yet know if the Methodist minister info was a complete red herring or if that will help trace him in his adult life.
Eilleen, your post led me to britishnewsarchive.co.uk. Is that what you use or would you recommend something else?
Thanks
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My grandfather was a Methodist minister (Congregationalist) who was full time paid for several years. He then worked for the YMCA but was actively involved in the local circuit, continuing to give sermons. His father worked for a local firm but also gave regular sermons in the district. I believe this type of non qualified voluntary ministering was not unusual among the Congregationalists.
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Methodist ministers have several chapels to look after so it is their full time job but there are voluntary lay preachers who go on an area circuit of chapels to preach. The lay preachers have other full time jobs and can't officiate at weddings etc.
Congregationalists are not Methodists, totally different sections of the Protestant faith.
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Thanks both, it's handy to know as it will help to find other leads as I come to dead ends.
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LDaw,
yes got the information from British Newspapers,
Eilleen.
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I've signed up for the British Newspaper Archive. I've still not found anything else for Francis James Hughes (beginning to wonder if he emigrated or changed his name). Anyway, I have found an obituary for what appears to be for another son (therefore my Grandad's half brother).
Francis's parents had 7 children but only Francis and two sisters survived. Both sisters married, one of them to a Bernard Allen.
The obituary related to a nephew, Walter Hughes, who was killed in action in September 1944. I've found a Sgt Walter James Hughes who died 18/09/1944 and is buried in Italy.
I've not narrowed down a birth for Walter yet, proving a little difficult as I can't find his Dad after 1911.
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My ancestor was a (poorly!) paid Primitive Methodist minister. He was moved to a new circuit (collection of churches/chapels) every 2 years. I had other family members (a different line) who were had Methodist minister (or preacher) local as occupation on the census, as well as being farmers. The circuit I know most about was in a rural area and I think that when the minister was away or preaching at another chapel, the local preachers would lead the service.
List are still available of which (paid) minister/s were assigned to which circuit. The link that candleflame gave you is good. There is also https://www.myprimitivemethodists.org.uk/ but I haven't found any Francis or James Hughes.
Francis James Hughes was young, would there be any chance of finding any apprenticeship papers?
If you mange to find a possible birth registration, you could order the birth certificate and use the date of birth to look for him on the 1939 Register?
Goodluck.
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I've not been able to find any trace of Francis James Hughes after 1911.
There are various ones listed dying around the country but I've not had time to backtrack to check if he's one of those.
I don't yet know if the Methodist minister info was a complete red herring or if that will help trace him in his adult life.
Eilleen, your post led me to britishnewsarchive.co.uk. Is that what you use or would you recommend something else?
Thanks
Where was he in 1911 please?
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Not sure where he was in 1911.
In 1913 he married Mildred Violet Dorothy Barnes in Leeds. The following year they were still in the same area and had Walter James (who died in Italy in active service in 1944). A little under 4 years later they were still there and had Norman. Norman died within the same registration period, though. 1920 brought a final child, Francis E, in Sheffield.
I assume work took him to Sheffield (although could be wrong). 1939 Register shows he was a railway engine driver and living at 9 Granville Road, Southgate, Middlesex. The last record I have of him is 1954 in Islington. His wife (widow?) died in St Albans in 1960.
Francis James dob was 16/06/1892.